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Commentary on slow play on tour. Some interesting comments from Tiger & Adam Scott.

I really really would like to be there when Tiger gets some strokes added to his score for slow play. See how he feels then.

I believe the marshall that had the guts to penalize him would find himself in the unemployment line.

Remember this is the guy they let move boulders.


Think about it before you Tiger fans flame me.

No flaming here - I agree with you. Tiger does not set a good example.

They should give them a 4 hour window from their tee time to turn in their score card. Make some of these guys play for free and you'll see some changes. How great would it be to see Angel Cabrera and Jesper Pernavik playing through Ben Crane and Paddy Harrington?

If Tiger were a chronically slow player, I'd agree with you, but Tiger is not chronically slow. In fact, he is one of the players speaking out to have something done about slow play.



As for giving players a 4 hour window, I suggested something similar in another thread. Another member (somehwat caustically) pointed out that there are several players in a group, all of whom would be penalized for one slow player in that scenario.

If you are suggesting that players in a group leave other players in the same group behind, I am not ready to incorporate that kind of mentality into golf to solve the slow play problem. There are already enough people who have never learned manners.

This may be a stupid question, but- If they're so worried about slow play on the weekends, why can't they all play in foursomes? I'm not sure if that would actually speed things up, but it seems like it could.

Tiger is not exactly Mr. Speedy. He's probably more in the middle of the pack. It's just that JB made him look like a track runner at the match play event.

First off let me state once again I do not think its any of my business nor do I care how fast they play on the PGA tour. They play for a lot of money and if they need to take their time.

I am also not saying Tiger is that slow but I have seen him when he wants to take his time. I was just saying they will not penalize him.

Personally unless the PGA tour can have every player in the tournament on a clock every minute of every round I can not see where any slow play penaltys will be fair.

But if you guys don't think the big names are going to get a pass on this, could I interest you in a one owner never been driven except to and from church Cadillac that once belonged to Elvis Presleys sister.


Once again I say it loud and clear slow play on the PGA tour does not affect me but if they are going to have slow play rules they need to be uniform and strictly enforced along with everyone monitored.

Everyone on the clock at all times? That seems a little rediculous and uncalled for. If a group falls out of position give them a warning. If they aren't picking up their pace after the warning start timing them. Just like would be done in any other form of tournament golf. Enforce that evenly and things should be just fine.

How can you enforce this if everyone is not on the clock? I mean how can it be fair.


The group falls behind one player is slow as hell the whole day the other two pretty fast but one of them has a problem on the hole the tour rep shows up. All day long he has been keeping pace the reason he is behind is the other player. But right now he is a bit slow and he gets put on the clock and penalized.

Now if not for the slow guy the official would not have been there to put him on the clock .

Do not bother to try and tell me this is fair!

You're not going to get put on the clock if you have an extenuating circumstance where you are waiting for a ruling or something of that nature. I've been on both sides of the coin, as an official and a player. It's pretty obvious who the slow guy is to both parties. A good official will have kept tabs on the group all round, and know who the problem player is. If the faster players can play, which in the case of the tour guys they obviously can, they should know to keep playing their game. Let the slow guy sweat, he is the reason the official is there.

My idea does not require a good or bad official my idea takes the human error out of it.

fair enough. If you want to make a move away from the traditions of the game, and make it more 'mechanical' then it's not a bad solution. It's not what I want to see for the game though. The idea that every player has X amount of time to hit every shot simply does not allow for the intricacies of the game.

Joe I totally agree with you. Its a hard game and some play it slower than others. This is the PGA tour we are talking about and they play for a lot of dollars . I do not care how slow they play. But if you are going to regulate you have to come up with some clear cut rules and a timer on everyone. Its the only totally fair way.


Ken

Honestly, I don't care how much money they are playing for... pace of play is part of the rules and they should be held to that standard. Life isn't fair, and neither is golf. If a group is penalized due to the slow play of one then so be it. I can almost guarantee it won't happen a second time.

Also, once a group is on the clock it is easy to see who is taking up time. Each player is timed only when it is his/her turn to play, not when they are waiting for a ruling or another player to play.

You do not need a clock on everyone at all times; only out of position groups. If you are waiting for a group ahead to play, you are not out of position.

I do care how long it takes a pro to play. I am not a big fan of the whole role model thing so I'lll skip it this time around, but even leaving that out, I do not really want to sit in front of the television for 5 hours only because a player in a group has to take 5 minutes to sneak up on his ball before he hits it. Even without the time factor, I don't enjoy watching snail's pace golf.

Since I am the consumer of the product, I do actually, have a right to speak up. If enough people speak up, then change occurs.

It seems like an awful lot of consumers and players are speaking up.

I can not believe you would think it was fair if it happened to you. That is being punished or penalized for something that another did.

I don't believe I said anywhere it was fair.

However, entire groups aren't punished. So it is actually a moot point.