Well, I had a chance to hit the AP1 and AP2 irons today. Both are great but the AP2 feels better. In fact, the AP2 feels just as good as the MP-57 and maybe a bit better. I REALLY liked the AP2. I also really liked the Project X 5.5 shafts...
Damn....
Scott
Full Version: MP57 or titleist AP2
How is the project X 5.5 shaft compared to s300 as far as ball flight and tip stiffness.
Thanks,
Brad
Thanks,
Brad
QUOTE(spacedust @ Mar 3 2008, 10:37 PM) 
most irons nowadays are built with quality- and performance has more to do with the individual than the equipment itself. buy what you will think bring you most joy. it all comes down to personal preference, because its something that you alone will own and use.
i bought the mp 57, couple of weeks ago. have played about 7 rounds or so. I can't express how much i enjoy playing and owning these clubs. i cut and regripped them the day the irons were delivered, prefererred a little smaller grip than stock. bought neoprene headcovers to protect them.
everytime i pull them out the bag, it makes me smile. They look good and feel great. these babies sit in my living room every night.
here are some pics i took before and after a quick wet wipe down and wd 40 rub.
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i bought the mp 57, couple of weeks ago. have played about 7 rounds or so. I can't express how much i enjoy playing and owning these clubs. i cut and regripped them the day the irons were delivered, prefererred a little smaller grip than stock. bought neoprene headcovers to protect them.
everytime i pull them out the bag, it makes me smile. They look good and feel great. these babies sit in my living room every night.
here are some pics i took before and after a quick wet wipe down and wd 40 rub.
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NICE HEADCOVERS!!!!!! where did u get them????????????????
Is the 5.5 shaft have a stiff tip like DGSL shaft that you are currently playing or maybe closer to DG S300 Is the AP2 4 iron as easy to hit as MX25?
Thanks,
Brad
Thanks,
Brad
My buddy got his today and my AP2's will be in Thursday. The PX5.5 frequencies out to the same as the DG S300's. Can't wait! These clubs are Awesome. I've never been this excited to get a set of irons. LOL!
From what I read, the DGS300 frequencies out to a Rifle flex of about 5.8, but the PX might feel stiffer because it is butt stiff compared to the S300 which is tip stiff. Most of the pros whom I talked to suggested the PX 5.5 as a replacement for the S300.
I have hit the MP57 with the DGS300, Nippon 1150 Pro, PX 5.5 against the AP2 with PX 5.5. Of all versions, I prefer the AP2/PX5.5. It feels soft and solid and feels less harsh on mishits than the MP57.
I have hit the MP57 with the DGS300, Nippon 1150 Pro, PX 5.5 against the AP2 with PX 5.5. Of all versions, I prefer the AP2/PX5.5. It feels soft and solid and feels less harsh on mishits than the MP57.
QUOTE(Larry Swing @ Mar 8 2008, 07:07 PM)
From what I read, the DGS300 frequencies out to a Rifle flex of about 5.8, but the PX might feel stiffer because it is butt stiff compared to the S300 which is tip stiff. Most of the pros whom I talked to suggested the PX 5.5 as a replacement for the S300.
I have hit the MP57 with the DGS300, Nippon 1150 Pro, PX 5.5 against the AP2 with PX 5.5. Of all versions, I prefer the AP2/PX5.5. It feels soft and solid and feels less harsh on mishits than the MP57.
I have hit the MP57 with the DGS300, Nippon 1150 Pro, PX 5.5 against the AP2 with PX 5.5. Of all versions, I prefer the AP2/PX5.5. It feels soft and solid and feels less harsh on mishits than the MP57.
I have to agree with you 100%.
I demoed the AP2 today. I'll keep this as brief as I can while giving you an idea where I'm coming from. I have nothing against Titleist and at one time had an entire bag of Titty. I'm now addicted to the buttery Mizzy feel and play the MP60. I'm interested in the MP57 for the mushy feel with added forgiveness. Big demo day today so I've been holding off on a purchase till afterward. Hit MP57 of course and loved it, tried Pings as they have popular offerings (liked them a lot but preferred the Mizzy) Also wanted to try the AP2 and did today. I'm one that does not get along with the project X shaft. I know it's great and played with great success, but for my swing it feels harsh and dead. I'm used to the feel (and weight) of the DG S300, and the high kickpint and the way it loads/unloads works for me and the Project X does not.
Having said that the AP2 with the project X felt really good today despite the terrible feeling (for me) shaft. I'd love to try it with a DG in it, and I strongly suspect that it would feel as soft as the Mizzy and be a little more forgiving and less harsh on miss hits due to the Tungsten sole. That is saying a LOT as I didn't think I'd ever admit something felt as good as a Mizuno! It's also a very good looking iron. Similar in size and top line thickness to the MP57, so it's still a compact looking iron...a players look. (can't compare it to other Titleist offerings as I'm not familiar with them) I don't know what the tungsten sole (wight down low) would do to the trajectory for someone who hits the ball high and hard or compresses the ball really well. It may be just fine, with the shaft that doesn't suit me and the limited demo time I didn't get a feel for it. It seemed comparable to the flight of the MP60.
Titleist has a winner here, and now I have a tough choice. If I got the AP2 I'd have to order then with the DG shaft, I suspect I'd be very happy with it even as a Mizuno devotee. If you are a project X player YOU WILL LOVE THIS IRON!
If the 150.00 price difference is an issue, if you are a die hard Mizzy fan, or a Dynamic Gold player through and through and don't want to special order a set of AP2s with the DG shaft you won't be disappointed with e MP57..it's also fantastic.
I hope this helped a little.
Having said that the AP2 with the project X felt really good today despite the terrible feeling (for me) shaft. I'd love to try it with a DG in it, and I strongly suspect that it would feel as soft as the Mizzy and be a little more forgiving and less harsh on miss hits due to the Tungsten sole. That is saying a LOT as I didn't think I'd ever admit something felt as good as a Mizuno! It's also a very good looking iron. Similar in size and top line thickness to the MP57, so it's still a compact looking iron...a players look. (can't compare it to other Titleist offerings as I'm not familiar with them) I don't know what the tungsten sole (wight down low) would do to the trajectory for someone who hits the ball high and hard or compresses the ball really well. It may be just fine, with the shaft that doesn't suit me and the limited demo time I didn't get a feel for it. It seemed comparable to the flight of the MP60.
Titleist has a winner here, and now I have a tough choice. If I got the AP2 I'd have to order then with the DG shaft, I suspect I'd be very happy with it even as a Mizuno devotee. If you are a project X player YOU WILL LOVE THIS IRON!
If the 150.00 price difference is an issue, if you are a die hard Mizzy fan, or a Dynamic Gold player through and through and don't want to special order a set of AP2s with the DG shaft you won't be disappointed with e MP57..it's also fantastic.
I hope this helped a little.
I added this text to another comparison thread and thought I would put it here to be sure anyone with questions about the shaft offerings would see it.
Here is some great information I just received about shaft comparisons:
Background
True Temper manufactures Dynamic Gold and Rifle steel shafts in the same factory after their acquisition of Precision last year. Rifle products are stepless steel shafts and the Rifle name comes from a series of longitudinal "rifling" struts that run along the interior of the shaft and provide strength and stability. We offer Rifle, Project X and Project X Flighted in our approved shaft matrix (Rifle Light and Rifle Flighted shafts are no longer available). The stepless design of Rifle shafts anecdotally feel different than stepped Dynamic shafts as the lack of steps keep vibrations from being amplified as they move up the shaft.
Project X is a discrete length, constant weight shaft just like Dynamic Gold. "Discrete length/constant weight" means that each shaft in the set is individually manufactured to weigh the same. Constant weight shafts are typically preferred by better players for both feel and flight. Not surprisingly Dynamic Gold and Project X are the #1 and #2 shafts on the PGA Tour and within the pyramid of influence.
Standard Rifle is a descending weight shaft made off a single blank that is trimmed down to make the shorter lengths. This means the short iron shafts weigh less than the long irons.
Project X Flighted is a new descending weight product (but is made in discrete lengths) that provides for higher flight in the long irons through softer tip sections with similar trajectory control to PX in the short irons.
Project X 5.5 versus Dynamic Gold S300
PX 5.5 has similar butt frequency and dynamic flex characteristics as DGS300 when measured in the traditional manner (clamped at the butt and deflected). Both shafts typically produce a low to mid ball flight with good feel and weight feedback.
PX 5.5 is a 118g constant weight shaft versus 130g for DGS300. For some players this slight weight difference provides better feel and marginally higher ball speed.
PX 5.5 has a slightly softer tip section than DGS300 and therefore a slightly lower flex point. For some players this slight difference in the tip provides PX 5.5 with better feel and marginally higher launch. We measure flex point by comparing the tip frequency versus the butt frequency.
During the development of AP2 we extensively tested different Dynamic Gold and Project X flexes.
PX 5.5 was preferred for performance and feel over DGS300 and PX 6.0 in the new AP2 iron.
PGA Tour Use
On the PGA Tour shaft use by subflex is similar for both DG and PX. With Dynamic Gold most tour players use X100 while a smaller number use DGS400 and only a few use DGS300. For Project X most tour players use 6.5 with a smaller group using 6.0 and a few using 5.5 shafts. In terms of subflex, the most appropriate choice for a higher ball speed player is X100/6.5 while in the market S300/5.5 is best for those needing a standard S flex. For those players needing a tweener, S400/6.0 flexes work well.
In total 50% of the players on tour use Dynamic Gold steel in their irons. Project X use is 20% and growing while Rifle use is 10% and declining. The remaining 20% is a combination of lesser used shafts from True Temper, Precision, and Nippon.
Summary
The growing use of Project X on the PGA Tour, its added value market position as a premium performance shaft and the excellent test results during development make it the appropriate stock choice in AP2. The strong tour use and time tested performance of Dynamic Gold make it the appropriate stock shaft in ZB and ZM.
Here is some great information I just received about shaft comparisons:
Background
True Temper manufactures Dynamic Gold and Rifle steel shafts in the same factory after their acquisition of Precision last year. Rifle products are stepless steel shafts and the Rifle name comes from a series of longitudinal "rifling" struts that run along the interior of the shaft and provide strength and stability. We offer Rifle, Project X and Project X Flighted in our approved shaft matrix (Rifle Light and Rifle Flighted shafts are no longer available). The stepless design of Rifle shafts anecdotally feel different than stepped Dynamic shafts as the lack of steps keep vibrations from being amplified as they move up the shaft.
Project X is a discrete length, constant weight shaft just like Dynamic Gold. "Discrete length/constant weight" means that each shaft in the set is individually manufactured to weigh the same. Constant weight shafts are typically preferred by better players for both feel and flight. Not surprisingly Dynamic Gold and Project X are the #1 and #2 shafts on the PGA Tour and within the pyramid of influence.
Standard Rifle is a descending weight shaft made off a single blank that is trimmed down to make the shorter lengths. This means the short iron shafts weigh less than the long irons.
Project X Flighted is a new descending weight product (but is made in discrete lengths) that provides for higher flight in the long irons through softer tip sections with similar trajectory control to PX in the short irons.
Project X 5.5 versus Dynamic Gold S300
PX 5.5 has similar butt frequency and dynamic flex characteristics as DGS300 when measured in the traditional manner (clamped at the butt and deflected). Both shafts typically produce a low to mid ball flight with good feel and weight feedback.
PX 5.5 is a 118g constant weight shaft versus 130g for DGS300. For some players this slight weight difference provides better feel and marginally higher ball speed.
PX 5.5 has a slightly softer tip section than DGS300 and therefore a slightly lower flex point. For some players this slight difference in the tip provides PX 5.5 with better feel and marginally higher launch. We measure flex point by comparing the tip frequency versus the butt frequency.
During the development of AP2 we extensively tested different Dynamic Gold and Project X flexes.
PX 5.5 was preferred for performance and feel over DGS300 and PX 6.0 in the new AP2 iron.
PGA Tour Use
On the PGA Tour shaft use by subflex is similar for both DG and PX. With Dynamic Gold most tour players use X100 while a smaller number use DGS400 and only a few use DGS300. For Project X most tour players use 6.5 with a smaller group using 6.0 and a few using 5.5 shafts. In terms of subflex, the most appropriate choice for a higher ball speed player is X100/6.5 while in the market S300/5.5 is best for those needing a standard S flex. For those players needing a tweener, S400/6.0 flexes work well.
In total 50% of the players on tour use Dynamic Gold steel in their irons. Project X use is 20% and growing while Rifle use is 10% and declining. The remaining 20% is a combination of lesser used shafts from True Temper, Precision, and Nippon.
Summary
The growing use of Project X on the PGA Tour, its added value market position as a premium performance shaft and the excellent test results during development make it the appropriate stock choice in AP2. The strong tour use and time tested performance of Dynamic Gold make it the appropriate stock shaft in ZB and ZM.
Kevin, amazingly informative post. thanks for sharing! 
QUOTE(KevCarter @ Mar 8 2008, 09:39 PM)
I added this text to another comparison thread and thought I would put it here to be sure anyone with questions about the shaft offerings would see it.
Here is some great information I just received about shaft comparisons:
Background
True Temper manufactures Dynamic Gold and Rifle steel shafts in the same factory after their acquisition of Precision last year. Rifle products are stepless steel shafts and the Rifle name comes from a series of longitudinal "rifling" struts that run along the interior of the shaft and provide strength and stability. We offer Rifle, Project X and Project X Flighted in our approved shaft matrix (Rifle Light and Rifle Flighted shafts are no longer available). The stepless design of Rifle shafts anecdotally feel different than stepped Dynamic shafts as the lack of steps keep vibrations from being amplified as they move up the shaft.
Project X is a discrete length, constant weight shaft just like Dynamic Gold. "Discrete length/constant weight" means that each shaft in the set is individually manufactured to weigh the same. Constant weight shafts are typically preferred by better players for both feel and flight. Not surprisingly Dynamic Gold and Project X are the #1 and #2 shafts on the PGA Tour and within the pyramid of influence.
Standard Rifle is a descending weight shaft made off a single blank that is trimmed down to make the shorter lengths. This means the short iron shafts weigh less than the long irons.
Project X Flighted is a new descending weight product (but is made in discrete lengths) that provides for higher flight in the long irons through softer tip sections with similar trajectory control to PX in the short irons.
Project X 5.5 versus Dynamic Gold S300
PX 5.5 has similar butt frequency and dynamic flex characteristics as DGS300 when measured in the traditional manner (clamped at the butt and deflected). Both shafts typically produce a low to mid ball flight with good feel and weight feedback.
PX 5.5 is a 118g constant weight shaft versus 130g for DGS300. For some players this slight weight difference provides better feel and marginally higher ball speed.
PX 5.5 has a slightly softer tip section than DGS300 and therefore a slightly lower flex point. For some players this slight difference in the tip provides PX 5.5 with better feel and marginally higher launch. We measure flex point by comparing the tip frequency versus the butt frequency.
During the development of AP2 we extensively tested different Dynamic Gold and Project X flexes.
PX 5.5 was preferred for performance and feel over DGS300 and PX 6.0 in the new AP2 iron.
PGA Tour Use
On the PGA Tour shaft use by subflex is similar for both DG and PX. With Dynamic Gold most tour players use X100 while a smaller number use DGS400 and only a few use DGS300. For Project X most tour players use 6.5 with a smaller group using 6.0 and a few using 5.5 shafts. In terms of subflex, the most appropriate choice for a higher ball speed player is X100/6.5 while in the market S300/5.5 is best for those needing a standard S flex. For those players needing a tweener, S400/6.0 flexes work well.
In total 50% of the players on tour use Dynamic Gold steel in their irons. Project X use is 20% and growing while Rifle use is 10% and declining. The remaining 20% is a combination of lesser used shafts from True Temper, Precision, and Nippon.
Summary
The growing use of Project X on the PGA Tour, its added value market position as a premium performance shaft and the excellent test results during development make it the appropriate stock choice in AP2. The strong tour use and time tested performance of Dynamic Gold make it the appropriate stock shaft in ZB and ZM.
Here is some great information I just received about shaft comparisons:
Background
True Temper manufactures Dynamic Gold and Rifle steel shafts in the same factory after their acquisition of Precision last year. Rifle products are stepless steel shafts and the Rifle name comes from a series of longitudinal "rifling" struts that run along the interior of the shaft and provide strength and stability. We offer Rifle, Project X and Project X Flighted in our approved shaft matrix (Rifle Light and Rifle Flighted shafts are no longer available). The stepless design of Rifle shafts anecdotally feel different than stepped Dynamic shafts as the lack of steps keep vibrations from being amplified as they move up the shaft.
Project X is a discrete length, constant weight shaft just like Dynamic Gold. "Discrete length/constant weight" means that each shaft in the set is individually manufactured to weigh the same. Constant weight shafts are typically preferred by better players for both feel and flight. Not surprisingly Dynamic Gold and Project X are the #1 and #2 shafts on the PGA Tour and within the pyramid of influence.
Standard Rifle is a descending weight shaft made off a single blank that is trimmed down to make the shorter lengths. This means the short iron shafts weigh less than the long irons.
Project X Flighted is a new descending weight product (but is made in discrete lengths) that provides for higher flight in the long irons through softer tip sections with similar trajectory control to PX in the short irons.
Project X 5.5 versus Dynamic Gold S300
PX 5.5 has similar butt frequency and dynamic flex characteristics as DGS300 when measured in the traditional manner (clamped at the butt and deflected). Both shafts typically produce a low to mid ball flight with good feel and weight feedback.
PX 5.5 is a 118g constant weight shaft versus 130g for DGS300. For some players this slight weight difference provides better feel and marginally higher ball speed.
PX 5.5 has a slightly softer tip section than DGS300 and therefore a slightly lower flex point. For some players this slight difference in the tip provides PX 5.5 with better feel and marginally higher launch. We measure flex point by comparing the tip frequency versus the butt frequency.
During the development of AP2 we extensively tested different Dynamic Gold and Project X flexes.
PX 5.5 was preferred for performance and feel over DGS300 and PX 6.0 in the new AP2 iron.
PGA Tour Use
On the PGA Tour shaft use by subflex is similar for both DG and PX. With Dynamic Gold most tour players use X100 while a smaller number use DGS400 and only a few use DGS300. For Project X most tour players use 6.5 with a smaller group using 6.0 and a few using 5.5 shafts. In terms of subflex, the most appropriate choice for a higher ball speed player is X100/6.5 while in the market S300/5.5 is best for those needing a standard S flex. For those players needing a tweener, S400/6.0 flexes work well.
In total 50% of the players on tour use Dynamic Gold steel in their irons. Project X use is 20% and growing while Rifle use is 10% and declining. The remaining 20% is a combination of lesser used shafts from True Temper, Precision, and Nippon.
Summary
The growing use of Project X on the PGA Tour, its added value market position as a premium performance shaft and the excellent test results during development make it the appropriate stock choice in AP2. The strong tour use and time tested performance of Dynamic Gold make it the appropriate stock shaft in ZB and ZM.
Thanks for the info. Kevin. Awesome.
You are very welcome guys. Sent to me by my Titleist rep today and I learned a LOT from it myself!
Kevin
Kevin
QUOTE(Parzinski @ Mar 8 2008, 06:13 PM)
QUOTE(spacedust @ Mar 3 2008, 10:37 PM)
most irons nowadays are built with quality- and performance has more to do with the individual than the equipment itself. buy what you will think bring you most joy. it all comes down to personal preference, because its something that you alone will own and use.
i bought the mp 57, couple of weeks ago. have played about 7 rounds or so. I can't express how much i enjoy playing and owning these clubs. i cut and regripped them the day the irons were delivered, prefererred a little smaller grip than stock. bought neoprene headcovers to protect them.
everytime i pull them out the bag, it makes me smile. They look good and feel great. these babies sit in my living room every night.
here are some pics i took before and after a quick wet wipe down and wd 40 rub.
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i bought the mp 57, couple of weeks ago. have played about 7 rounds or so. I can't express how much i enjoy playing and owning these clubs. i cut and regripped them the day the irons were delivered, prefererred a little smaller grip than stock. bought neoprene headcovers to protect them.
everytime i pull them out the bag, it makes me smile. They look good and feel great. these babies sit in my living room every night.
here are some pics i took before and after a quick wet wipe down and wd 40 rub.
Click to view attachment
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NICE HEADCOVERS!!!!!! where did u get them????????????????
yeah.. i like them... neoprene with a little velcro flap in the back for easy secure/removal.
its 9 bucks at my local academy sports store.
played all day with my mp 57's today. its about my 10th round. its so much fun and feels so good.... i keep shaking my head and telling my playing partner how good it feels. I'm an 80's player.... and i can honestly say these clubs have made me a better ball striker. Its slowed down my swing and made me have a good tempo, cause i want to hit it properly. And so i hit all my clubs with a smooth tempo... from driver to wedges... more fairways and more greens. and my scores are getting lower... These clubs have made me a better golfer, and made the game even more enjoyable. these clubs are one of the best investments i've ever made... cost/fun ratio.... i don't see how mizuno could improve on these....
Thanks Kevin for the great post! Very informative.
I'll paste some of it here:
"Project X 5.5 versus Dynamic Gold S300
PX 5.5 has similar butt frequency and dynamic flex characteristics as DGS300 when measured in the traditional manner (clamped at the butt and deflected). Both shafts typically produce a low to mid ball flight with good feel and weight feedback."
I find it interesting that these two shafts are described in some ways as similar, but some (including myself) find they feel very different. I'm not by any means disputing the info/data, just commenting on how two similar items on paper can feel so different to some. Guess that's why it's so important to demo, demo, demo.
Thanks again!
I'll paste some of it here:
"Project X 5.5 versus Dynamic Gold S300
PX 5.5 has similar butt frequency and dynamic flex characteristics as DGS300 when measured in the traditional manner (clamped at the butt and deflected). Both shafts typically produce a low to mid ball flight with good feel and weight feedback."
I find it interesting that these two shafts are described in some ways as similar, but some (including myself) find they feel very different. I'm not by any means disputing the info/data, just commenting on how two similar items on paper can feel so different to some. Guess that's why it's so important to demo, demo, demo.
Thanks again!
I emma big estupid. :-)
Robb
Robb
QUOTE(Larry Swing @ Feb 9 2008, 05:30 PM)
I am thinking about these two as well. What makes you think the AP2 will be more forgiving?
The MP57 has more offset and (at least from looking at the pictures) a slightly bigger clubface.
On the other hand, the AP2 has slightly more bounce.
Could you post a picture that helps to compare the width of the sole?
Does anyone know what the swingweight on the MP 57 with the PX shaft is?
The MP57 has more offset and (at least from looking at the pictures) a slightly bigger clubface.
On the other hand, the AP2 has slightly more bounce.
Could you post a picture that helps to compare the width of the sole?
Does anyone know what the swingweight on the MP 57 with the PX shaft is?
D1.5 on mine
QUOTE(ibjc0227 @ Mar 9 2008, 06:38 AM)
QUOTE(Larry Swing @ Feb 9 2008, 05:30 PM)
I am thinking about these two as well. What makes you think the AP2 will be more forgiving?
The MP57 has more offset and (at least from looking at the pictures) a slightly bigger clubface.
On the other hand, the AP2 has slightly more bounce.
Could you post a picture that helps to compare the width of the sole?
Does anyone know what the swingweight on the MP 57 with the PX shaft is?
The MP57 has more offset and (at least from looking at the pictures) a slightly bigger clubface.
On the other hand, the AP2 has slightly more bounce.
Could you post a picture that helps to compare the width of the sole?
Does anyone know what the swingweight on the MP 57 with the PX shaft is?
D1.5 on mine
I finally received my MP-57's with PX 6.0, and when I swingweighted them they were D-4 across the board, except for the PW which was D-5. I have owned many sets of Mizuno's, and this is the first set that has been this tight and right on the mark with swingweight.
Also, thanks to Kevin for the great info on Dynamic Gold vs. Project X. I ordered PX 6.0 as I felt the weight and flex would match up better with S-400, and his info confirms that assumption.
QUOTE(spacedust @ Mar 9 2008, 12:26 AM)
QUOTE(Parzinski @ Mar 8 2008, 06:13 PM)
QUOTE(spacedust @ Mar 3 2008, 10:37 PM)
most irons nowadays are built with quality- and performance has more to do with the individual than the equipment itself. buy what you will think bring you most joy. it all comes down to personal preference, because its something that you alone will own and use.
i bought the mp 57, couple of weeks ago. have played about 7 rounds or so. I can't express how much i enjoy playing and owning these clubs. i cut and regripped them the day the irons were delivered, prefererred a little smaller grip than stock. bought neoprene headcovers to protect them.
everytime i pull them out the bag, it makes me smile. They look good and feel great. these babies sit in my living room every night.
here are some pics i took before and after a quick wet wipe down and wd 40 rub.
Click to view attachment
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i bought the mp 57, couple of weeks ago. have played about 7 rounds or so. I can't express how much i enjoy playing and owning these clubs. i cut and regripped them the day the irons were delivered, prefererred a little smaller grip than stock. bought neoprene headcovers to protect them.
everytime i pull them out the bag, it makes me smile. They look good and feel great. these babies sit in my living room every night.
here are some pics i took before and after a quick wet wipe down and wd 40 rub.
Click to view attachment
Click to view attachment
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Click to view attachment
Click to view attachment
NICE HEADCOVERS!!!!!! where did u get them????????????????
yeah.. i like them... neoprene with a little velcro flap in the back for easy secure/removal.
its 9 bucks at my local academy sports store.
yikes !
QUOTE(texcrom @ Mar 9 2008, 07:56 AM)
QUOTE(ibjc0227 @ Mar 9 2008, 06:38 AM)
QUOTE(Larry Swing @ Feb 9 2008, 05:30 PM)
I am thinking about these two as well. What makes you think the AP2 will be more forgiving?
The MP57 has more offset and (at least from looking at the pictures) a slightly bigger clubface.
On the other hand, the AP2 has slightly more bounce.
Could you post a picture that helps to compare the width of the sole?
Does anyone know what the swingweight on the MP 57 with the PX shaft is?
The MP57 has more offset and (at least from looking at the pictures) a slightly bigger clubface.
On the other hand, the AP2 has slightly more bounce.
Could you post a picture that helps to compare the width of the sole?
Does anyone know what the swingweight on the MP 57 with the PX shaft is?
D1.5 on mine
I finally received my MP-57's with PX 6.0, and when I swingweighted them they were D-4 across the board, except for the PW which was D-5. I have owned many sets of Mizuno's, and this is the first set that has been this tight and right on the mark with swingweight.
Also, thanks to Kevin for the great info on Dynamic Gold vs. Project X. I ordered PX 6.0 as I felt the weight and flex would match up better with S-400, and his info confirms that assumption.
Hey Tex,
Sounds like an AWESOME set of irons!
I like my irons at D-4 as well. Always takes me a little longer to get them as a custom order, but I feel it's well worth the wait...
Now get out there and make some birdies with the new clubs!
Kevin
QUOTE
Always the case with Titleist. They get the first runs into the shops while they are gearing up for custom production. Same time frame for every iron release I can remember. If it's any consolation, they have always started shipping a little sooner than they tell you. Under promise and over deliver...
Looks that way. I received two mails from Titelist today - in the first they stated that the earliest ship date would be mid April
, but then the same source confirmed the ship date for my set for the end March 
. I keep my fingers crossed...
QUOTE(Larry Swing @ Mar 10 2008, 11:50 AM)
QUOTE
Always the case with Titleist. They get the first runs into the shops while they are gearing up for custom production. Same time frame for every iron release I can remember. If it's any consolation, they have always started shipping a little sooner than they tell you. Under promise and over deliver...
Looks that way. I received two mails from Titelist today - in the first they stated that the earliest ship date would be mid April
, but then the same source confirmed the ship date for my set for the end March . I keep my fingers crossed...Good luck Larry, I'll cross my fingers for you too!
Kevin
QUOTE(McFly @ Mar 6 2008, 07:35 PM)
QUOTE(LSeca @ Mar 6 2008, 08:04 PM)
I wasn't saying mp57 are the best feeling, I was trying to say any of the Mizuno forged are usually considered a top notch oem in this area and a buyer can almost count on them being fantastic. Whether it is a set of 33s, 60s, 57s, etc they are going to be good iron for the particular category they are marketed for. I rarely hear or read anything like "titleist soft" or anything like this....the point of reference when it comes to feel is usually a Mizuno iron. This holds true whether it is a blade or a cavity style forged iron. Smaller makes like Miura and others get great reviews too, but most of the time Mizuno is the yardstick. Again, I am not saying the Titleist AP series, or others, are not fine feeling irons but Mizzy has a rep that has been earned.
By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.
By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.
QUOTE(McFly @ Mar 6 2008, 11:25 AM)
Funny you say that, I've always considered the MP33 to be the gold standard by which any other club is judged on feel. I had them bagged when I played a lot and could strike them well....nothing in golf equipment feels as good as a perfectly struck MP33. I don't play as often and now have MP60s which are almost as buttery. Sadly I'm looking for a even little more forgveness now as I'm not sure I'm even playing enough to strike the MP60's well enough. I'm looking at MP57s and belieeve it or not Pings.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.
I'll make a long story as short as I can. Playing MP60s and love them. I used to hit them pure most of the time. But, I'm not playing as often so I thought of something still clean looking with a little added forgiveness. The MP57 is an obvious choice for a Mizzy lover like myself and is certainly in the running but I'm open minded. The S58 and i10 has me interested. The demos at the shop have the lighter shafts (ZZ65 and AWT) which don't suit me at all. I'm so used to the S300 that I can't feel where the club is during my swing with a lighter shaft, and IMHO a light thin wall shaft doesn't feel as solid as an S300. (the standard Ping is 1/4 inch shorter than the Mizzy and has a D0 swingweight which makes matters worse, I just can't feel where the club and head are to get them released through the ball) I'm also interested in the PING durability. There is an all (or most) maunfacturer demo day locally on Saturday. Hopefully they will have the i10 and S58 with a DG shaft to try. At the very least the ZZ65 1/4 over with the cushion insert that adds 10 grams. That may give me a better head to head comparison between the Ping and Mizzy. If I just can't get along with a Ping on Saturday I'll get the MP57s which I've hit and like a lot.
Well, I've generally been playing PING for the past 2 seasons. And I've preferred the S58's over the I10s. But I just picked up a set of the MP-57's, didn't have the patience to wait for the AP2 (And I've tried to wait).
And wow - I don't know what took me so long to be converted into a Mizuno fan.
QUOTE(ChiGolf @ Mar 11 2008, 02:05 AM)
QUOTE(McFly @ Mar 6 2008, 07:35 PM)
QUOTE(LSeca @ Mar 6 2008, 08:04 PM)
I wasn't saying mp57 are the best feeling, I was trying to say any of the Mizuno forged are usually considered a top notch oem in this area and a buyer can almost count on them being fantastic. Whether it is a set of 33s, 60s, 57s, etc they are going to be good iron for the particular category they are marketed for. I rarely hear or read anything like "titleist soft" or anything like this....the point of reference when it comes to feel is usually a Mizuno iron. This holds true whether it is a blade or a cavity style forged iron. Smaller makes like Miura and others get great reviews too, but most of the time Mizuno is the yardstick. Again, I am not saying the Titleist AP series, or others, are not fine feeling irons but Mizzy has a rep that has been earned.
By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.
By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.
QUOTE(McFly @ Mar 6 2008, 11:25 AM)
Funny you say that, I've always considered the MP33 to be the gold standard by which any other club is judged on feel. I had them bagged when I played a lot and could strike them well....nothing in golf equipment feels as good as a perfectly struck MP33. I don't play as often and now have MP60s which are almost as buttery. Sadly I'm looking for a even little more forgveness now as I'm not sure I'm even playing enough to strike the MP60's well enough. I'm looking at MP57s and belieeve it or not Pings.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.
I'll make a long story as short as I can. Playing MP60s and love them. I used to hit them pure most of the time. But, I'm not playing as often so I thought of something still clean looking with a little added forgiveness. The MP57 is an obvious choice for a Mizzy lover like myself and is certainly in the running but I'm open minded. The S58 and i10 has me interested. The demos at the shop have the lighter shafts (ZZ65 and AWT) which don't suit me at all. I'm so used to the S300 that I can't feel where the club is during my swing with a lighter shaft, and IMHO a light thin wall shaft doesn't feel as solid as an S300. (the standard Ping is 1/4 inch shorter than the Mizzy and has a D0 swingweight which makes matters worse, I just can't feel where the club and head are to get them released through the ball) I'm also interested in the PING durability. There is an all (or most) maunfacturer demo day locally on Saturday. Hopefully they will have the i10 and S58 with a DG shaft to try. At the very least the ZZ65 1/4 over with the cushion insert that adds 10 grams. That may give me a better head to head comparison between the Ping and Mizzy. If I just can't get along with a Ping on Saturday I'll get the MP57s which I've hit and like a lot.
Well, I've generally been playing PING for the past 2 seasons. And I've preferred the S58's over the I10s. But I just picked up a set of the MP-57's, didn't have the patience to wait for the AP2 (And I've tried to wait).
And wow - I don't know what took me so long to be converted into a Mizuno fan.
Welcome to the land of the buttery soft Mizuno!
I got my MP-57's yesterday and promptly went to the range. I quickly learned that any fears I had about transitioning from a graphite X-20 to a Mizuno one piece iron were unfounded. The 57 was very forgiving on a few toe shots I hit. When I hit it pure, it felt so sweet. This club is not difficult to hit.
I have been thinking about this MP-57 vs AP-2 debate and I have concluded that they are completely different clubs in different classes. The AP-2 is wonderment of manufacturing and technology pulling together an amalgamation of forged steel, stainless, polymers, and plastic to create a world class game improvement iron. It is no doubt more forgiving than the 57 because it is a near max game improvement iron whereas the 57, as a one piece forged steel iron is closer to a players iron.
I think the better comparison is the 57 vs the Titleist Z-Blend or the Cobra CB. Both clubs are single piece, forged steel with a modest cavity and a muscle back. Sound familliar? As for the AP-2, I think the better comparision is the Mizuno MX-25, the X-20 Tour or the Cobra FP.
Let the flames begin.
I have been thinking about this MP-57 vs AP-2 debate and I have concluded that they are completely different clubs in different classes. The AP-2 is wonderment of manufacturing and technology pulling together an amalgamation of forged steel, stainless, polymers, and plastic to create a world class game improvement iron. It is no doubt more forgiving than the 57 because it is a near max game improvement iron whereas the 57, as a one piece forged steel iron is closer to a players iron.
I think the better comparison is the 57 vs the Titleist Z-Blend or the Cobra CB. Both clubs are single piece, forged steel with a modest cavity and a muscle back. Sound familliar? As for the AP-2, I think the better comparision is the Mizuno MX-25, the X-20 Tour or the Cobra FP.
Let the flames begin.
QUOTE(Tom Lerch @ Mar 11 2008, 12:58 PM)
I got my MP-57's yesterday and promptly went to the range. I quickly learned that any fears I had about transitioning from a graphite X-20 to a Mizuno one piece iron were unfounded. The 57 was very forgiving on a few toe shots I hit. When I hit it pure, it felt so sweet. This club is not difficult to hit.
I have been thinking about this MP-57 vs AP-2 debate and I have concluded that they are completely different clubs in different classes. The AP-2 is wonderment of manufacturing and technology pulling together an amalgamation of forged steel, stainless, polymers, and plastic to create a world class game improvement iron. It is no doubt more forgiving than the 57 because it is a near max game improvement iron whereas the 57, as a one piece forged steel iron is closer to a players iron.
I think the better comparison is the 57 vs the Titleist Z-Blend or the Cobra CB. Both clubs are single piece, forged steel with a modest cavity and a muscle back. Sound familliar? As for the AP-2, I think the better comparision is the Mizuno MX-25, the X-20 Tour or the Cobra FP.
Let the flames begin.
I have been thinking about this MP-57 vs AP-2 debate and I have concluded that they are completely different clubs in different classes. The AP-2 is wonderment of manufacturing and technology pulling together an amalgamation of forged steel, stainless, polymers, and plastic to create a world class game improvement iron. It is no doubt more forgiving than the 57 because it is a near max game improvement iron whereas the 57, as a one piece forged steel iron is closer to a players iron.
I think the better comparison is the 57 vs the Titleist Z-Blend or the Cobra CB. Both clubs are single piece, forged steel with a modest cavity and a muscle back. Sound familliar? As for the AP-2, I think the better comparision is the Mizuno MX-25, the X-20 Tour or the Cobra FP.
Let the flames begin.
Hahaha,
Another blade boy anounces his induction into the forged tool of the month club. All you need to learn now is the secret handshake and your official. As an aside, the backhanded AP2 compliment was a nice touch.
QUOTE(Tom Lerch @ Mar 11 2008, 09:58 AM)
I have been thinking about this MP-57 vs AP-2 debate and I have concluded that they are completely different clubs in different classes. The AP-2 is wonderment of manufacturing and technology pulling together an amalgamation of forged steel, stainless, polymers, and plastic to create a world class game improvement iron. It is no doubt more forgiving than the 57 because it is a near max game improvement iron whereas the 57, as a one piece forged steel iron is closer to a players iron.
I think the better comparison is the 57 vs the Titleist Z-Blend or the Cobra CB. Both clubs are single piece, forged steel with a modest cavity and a muscle back. Sound familliar? As for the AP-2, I think the better comparision is the Mizuno MX-25, the X-20 Tour or the Cobra FP.
Let the flames begin.
I think the better comparison is the 57 vs the Titleist Z-Blend or the Cobra CB. Both clubs are single piece, forged steel with a modest cavity and a muscle back. Sound familliar? As for the AP-2, I think the better comparision is the Mizuno MX-25, the X-20 Tour or the Cobra FP.
Let the flames begin.
Tom,
No flames, but you have completely miss-classed the AP2. I own the MX-25 irons, have hit the MP-57 irons extensively, and have hit the AP2 irons. The AP2 irons are not at all in the same class as the MX-25 or X-20 Tour and certainly not Cobra FP.
The AP2 is a players iron. The AP2 and MP-57 offer similar forgiveness. I actually prefer the feel of the AP2 and like the look at address better. The MP-57 irons are better looking overall though.
I am a Mizuno guy but the AP2 irons are awesome. I still don't know which set I am going to buy.
Scott
I also agree with sidewinder. Although I haven't hit the Ap2's the Mp 57's are moreforgiving I think than the X 20's tour. From talking to Titleist and looking at the Ap2's on the Titleist website they are a player's cavity back iron with some forgiviness. The Ap2's and the Mp 57's are in the same class.
Tom had a point when comparing the two on how they are constructed. AP2s have much of the technology many large and more forgiving sets have. Titleist is using different materials to acheive a result for feel, sound, and feedback. The MP57 is just a classic forged iron, it doesn't need anything else.
However, I do think the AP2 set can certainly be comparied to the MP57 for playability.
However, I do think the AP2 set can certainly be comparied to the MP57 for playability.
It is interesting how people who have not played the AP2 can nevertheless comment on its playability and feel vs a MP57 or other clubs just based on looking at pictures and by counting the number of materials used.
I can't do this, I have to play them to get a realistic experience. That's what I did. From that I can conlcude there is no need for flames. Tom is simply wrong with his classification of the clubs. Apart from looks, they play very similar.
I can't do this, I have to play them to get a realistic experience. That's what I did. From that I can conlcude there is no need for flames. Tom is simply wrong with his classification of the clubs. Apart from looks, they play very similar.
AP2's or ZB's for me (coming from 695MB's.)
I don't know if you directed this comment towards me or not, but you can certainly make a good assumption about the playability of the Titleist AP2. There is plenty of info out on them and pictures can give you a good idea of what you can reasonably expect. The Titleist web site gives info on how the multi-materials work and how they are designed to acheive feel and sound characteristics.
The only way I can get a definative idea on which iron is better for me would be to actually buy a set of the Titty and swing them for a round or two on the course (not hitting indoors off mats). I would have to get them adjusted, fit and shafted just like my mp57 are as well. I don't need to do that as I am happy with the 57s. Maybe I shall try them next year, doubt it though as they just do not appeal to me...on the other hand I do like what I see and read about the new Cobra CB and the J36 line.
The only way I can get a definative idea on which iron is better for me would be to actually buy a set of the Titty and swing them for a round or two on the course (not hitting indoors off mats). I would have to get them adjusted, fit and shafted just like my mp57 are as well. I don't need to do that as I am happy with the 57s. Maybe I shall try them next year, doubt it though as they just do not appeal to me...on the other hand I do like what I see and read about the new Cobra CB and the J36 line.
QUOTE(Larry Swing @ Mar 11 2008, 03:15 PM)
It is interesting how people who have not played the AP2 can nevertheless comment on its playability and feel vs a MP57 or other clubs just based on looking at pictures and by counting the number of materials used.
Nope. Most of you missed my point completely. I never classed these clubs on playability. If I did, I certainly would have cast the advantage to the AP-2. I am conceding that the AP-2 is more playable and I have never played it. Now, that's good marketing.
My point and my only real point is this. They are separate clubs based on their construction. It seems to me, a more accurate club from the Titleist line to compare to the MP-57 would be the Z Blend Forged. For me, I wanted a one piece iron with no shiny plastic strips or hollow cavities. That's all. Since we conceded the clubs are the same in playability, we can certainly agree they are made and look differently. I certainly don't plan on weighing in on the debate about GI vs Players clubs. In the end, buy and play the clubs you like to look at and can swing with the most confidence.
My point and my only real point is this. They are separate clubs based on their construction. It seems to me, a more accurate club from the Titleist line to compare to the MP-57 would be the Z Blend Forged. For me, I wanted a one piece iron with no shiny plastic strips or hollow cavities. That's all. Since we conceded the clubs are the same in playability, we can certainly agree they are made and look differently. I certainly don't plan on weighing in on the debate about GI vs Players clubs. In the end, buy and play the clubs you like to look at and can swing with the most confidence.
QUOTE(Tom Lerch @ Mar 11 2008, 05:34 PM)
I never classed these clubs on playability...
My point and my only real point is this. They are separate clubs based on their construction.
My point and my only real point is this. They are separate clubs based on their construction.
Tom,
You said the AP2 was a "world class game improvement iron". I guess that "I never" statement was a little bit off.
I think just about everyone that cares knows the AP2 and MP-57 are made differently. If that was your point, you sure wasted a bunch of bits.
Both the AP2 and MP-57 are in the same class of irons and that is why they are being discussed in the same thread.
Scott.
Funny thing happened to me today. I played my 3rd round since ordering the AP2s. I was hitting the ball well with my irons. Real good actually. So, my buddy asks me, "Why are you getting new irons, again?" I reply, "I don't know, to try something new??" That got me thinking. My S58s are awesome to me. They feel "soft", and give me the right flight, distance, and forgiveness that I need. If I get new irons now, I will have to readjust/learn them. What if I don't like them as well? So, I decided to cancel my order all together. Instead, I have already scheduled a series of lessons with my Pro (#1 Teaching Pro in my state, according to GD). This will benefit me more than a new set of AP2 or MP57. I am however getting fit for a driver by my fitter/pro. Cobra L4V, Ping G10, Titleist D2 are my options, so I am pumped.
Good luck to all of you guys debating on these two sticks. Both are great!
Good luck to all of you guys debating on these two sticks. Both are great!
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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?
i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.
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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?
i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.
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QUOTE(hmx3 @ Feb 10 2008, 08:15 PM)
The AP 2 is really a innovative iron, the MP 57 is nothing like a bit larger MP 60 with 7% more forgivness !!!-I think thats a joke and
the MP 60 were for me less forgiving in comp. to the MP 32.
the MP 60 were for me less forgiving in comp. to the MP 32.
I know I will piss alot of people off with this one but the AP2 is just the Nike CCI Forged from last year with a different name and more offset!
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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?
i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.
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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?
i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.
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I have to tell you. I have both the 695cb's and now the AP2's. If you think that the MP57's are the same as the CB's you are not exactly true. Also, the AP2's blow the CB's out of the water!!! So to use some logic, that makes the AP2's BETTER than the MP57's and the 695cb's.
Yes! The AP2's ARE THAT GOOD!!!
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I have to tell you. I have both the 695cb's and now the AP2's. If you think that the MP57's are the same as the CB's you are not exactly true. Also, the AP2's blow the CB's out of the water!!! So to use some logic, that makes the AP2's BETTER than the MP57's and the 695cb's.
Yes! The AP2's ARE THAT GOOD!!!
something being "good" is subjective. maybe the 695 cb's and the mp 57's require more skill to hit and enjoy.
and with the ap2's, with its dual cavity and vibration damping rubber bar, is more forgiving so you don't have to hit it flush to get good results.
I think if i played with the titleist ZM forged Blades, i would probably think they were not as good as the mp 57 either. because they require more skill to get good results and probably "sting" on miss hits.
and yeah... the titleist ap2's does look like the nike cci's.
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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?
i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.
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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?
i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.
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I have to tell you. I have both the 695cb's and now the AP2's. If you think that the MP57's are the same as the CB's you are not exactly true. Also, the AP2's blow the CB's out of the water!!! So to use some logic, that makes the AP2's BETTER than the MP57's and the 695cb's.
Yes! The AP2's ARE THAT GOOD!!!
something being "good" is subjective. maybe the 695 cb's and the mp 57's require more skill to hit and enjoy.
and with the ap2's, with its dual cavity and vibration damping rubber bar, is more forgiving so you don't have to hit it flush to get good results.
I think if i played with the titleist ZM forged Blades, i would probably think they were not as good as the mp 57 either. because they require more skill to get good results and probably "sting" on miss hits.
and yeah... the titleist ap2's does look like the nike cci's.
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titleist took the design and added the rubber thing and stamped their name on it?
nike cci's
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titleist took the design and added the rubber thing and stamped their name on it?
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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?
i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.
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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?
i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.
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I have to tell you. I have both the 695cb's and now the AP2's. If you think that the MP57's are the same as the CB's you are not exactly true. Also, the AP2's blow the CB's out of the water!!! So to use some logic, that makes the AP2's BETTER than the MP57's and the 695cb's.
Yes! The AP2's ARE THAT GOOD!!!
Sorry NO Titleist iron has been or ever will be as good as a Mizuno iron.
The AP2's are far more playable, softer and overall a better set of irons than the CCI's
I am new to the site and am looking at both these irons. I am also looking at the srixon I-701 tours. Which would you say would be the most forgiving of the three? I also have a 93-95mph swing speed with a 6 iron. Would that be a 5.0 or 5.5 project x rifle?
thanks and great forum,
Mike
thanks and great forum,
Mike
mizuno mp 57 if you have a consistent swing.
i bought a set couple of weeks ago... and i really enjoy them. but they will let you know if you miss hit them.
ap's look like game improvement.... i don't have any experience with them... but with all the things going on with the dual cavity, rubber thing. concensus is that its more forgiving...
basically better ball strikers would lean towards mp 57. its good looking and classy...
buy what you think you can hit, and will bring you most enjoyment....
and what you like to look at also....
just my opinion but i think the ap2 are ugly. they look just like the nike cci's.
one of my friend plays with the cci's. he uses them cause he needs the forgiveness. he wants to but cannot hit the mizuno's consistently...
if you like the mp 57 but bias towards titleist.. go with the 695 cb's they look good- comparable to mp 57.
i bought a set couple of weeks ago... and i really enjoy them. but they will let you know if you miss hit them.
ap's look like game improvement.... i don't have any experience with them... but with all the things going on with the dual cavity, rubber thing. concensus is that its more forgiving...
basically better ball strikers would lean towards mp 57. its good looking and classy...
buy what you think you can hit, and will bring you most enjoyment....
and what you like to look at also....
just my opinion but i think the ap2 are ugly. they look just like the nike cci's.
one of my friend plays with the cci's. he uses them cause he needs the forgiveness. he wants to but cannot hit the mizuno's consistently...
if you like the mp 57 but bias towards titleist.. go with the 695 cb's they look good- comparable to mp 57.
QUOTE(eRod v1.0 @ Mar 11 2008, 10:54 PM)
Funny thing happened to me today. I played my 3rd round since ordering the AP2s. I was hitting the ball well with my irons. Real good actually. So, my buddy asks me, "Why are you getting new irons, again?" I reply, "I don't know, to try something new??" That got me thinking. My S58s are awesome to me. They feel "soft", and give me the right flight, distance, and forgiveness that I need. If I get new irons now, I will have to readjust/learn them. What if I don't like them as well? So, I decided to cancel my order all together. Instead, I have already scheduled a series of lessons with my Pro (#1 Teaching Pro in my state, according to GD). This will benefit me more than a new set of AP2 or MP57. I am however getting fit for a driver by my fitter/pro. Cobra L4V, Ping G10, Titleist D2 are my options, so I am pumped.
Good luck to all of you guys debating on these two sticks. Both are great!
Good luck to all of you guys debating on these two sticks. Both are great!
Lessons may help in the performance area...but don't discount the benefits of "new and shiny".
Robb
QUOTE(mtex22 @ Mar 12 2008, 07:34 AM)
I am new to the site and am looking at both these irons. I am also looking at the srixon I-701 tours. Which would you say would be the most forgiving of the three? I also have a 93-95mph swing speed with a 6 iron. Would that be a 5.0 or 5.5 project x rifle?
thanks and great forum,
Mike
thanks and great forum,
Mike
Most people who have actually hit both felt that the AP2s are a bit more forgiving (I won't judge the 701s, haven't hit them).
Many tour players have switched to the AP2s, so it seems they perform pretty well, too.
At your swing speed I would go at least for 5.5. My fitter even recommend 6.0 for my 6I swing speed of 87-93 but i liked the feeling of the 5.5.
QUOTE(spacedust @ Mar 12 2008, 03:11 AM)
mizuno mp 57 if you have a consistent swing.
i bought a set couple of weeks ago... and i really enjoy them. but they will let you know if you miss hit them.
ap's look like game improvement.... i don't have any experience with them... but with all the things going on with the dual cavity, rubber thing. concensus is that its more forgiving...
basically better ball strikers would lean towards mp 57. its good looking and classy...
buy what you think you can hit, and will bring you most enjoyment....
and what you like to look at also....
just my opinion but i think the ap2 are ugly. they look just like the nike cci's.
one of my friend plays with the cci's. he uses them cause he needs the forgiveness. he wants to but cannot hit the mizuno's consistently...
if you like the mp 57 but bias towards titleist.. go with the 695 cb's they look good- comparable to mp 57.
i bought a set couple of weeks ago... and i really enjoy them. but they will let you know if you miss hit them.
ap's look like game improvement.... i don't have any experience with them... but with all the things going on with the dual cavity, rubber thing. concensus is that its more forgiving...
basically better ball strikers would lean towards mp 57. its good looking and classy...
buy what you think you can hit, and will bring you most enjoyment....
and what you like to look at also....
just my opinion but i think the ap2 are ugly. they look just like the nike cci's.
one of my friend plays with the cci's. he uses them cause he needs the forgiveness. he wants to but cannot hit the mizuno's consistently...
if you like the mp 57 but bias towards titleist.. go with the 695 cb's they look good- comparable to mp 57.
695cbs are significantly smaller than the MP57s and I would say they are more demanding. I sold my 695s for a set of MP57s and after a few days of golf down south I am regretting selling the 695s. The 695s actually feel softer than my MP57s and they seem less clunky. The longer irons in the mp57s are easier to hit but in my opinion that is the only area that the 57s are better. I know I will be looking at the AP2s and selling my MP57s with Project X!
695cbs are significantly smaller than the MP57s and I would say they are more demanding. I sold my 695s for a set of MP57s and after a few days of golf down south I am regretting selling the 695s. The 695s actually feel softer than my MP57s and they seem less clunky. The longer irons in the mp57s are easier to hit but in my opinion that is the only area that the 57s are better. I know I will be looking at the AP2s and selling my MP57s with Project X!
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this is a description from the titleist website on the ap2 irons.
clunky is when you have cavity within cavities and elastomer bar, aluminum cavity plate, tungsten nickle cavity box, steel frame.
only thing its missing is bells and whistles, or flashing L.E.D. lights. maybe a hologram. maybe a speed meter that tells you how fast you swing. or a face that changes color and tells you where the ball hit it. cause with all thats going on the back of the iron, its surprising if you can feel anything.
good luck with the ap2's. with all that technology (thingamajig), maybe it will be a better fit for your game.
i don't see these as being in the same class as a one piece forged mp irons. zb blends, yeah.
All these Mizunohos are just too funny!!!"No iron will feel as good as a Mizuno"!!!!.......it's like a damn cult.....
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