Konklifer
Aug 12 2007, 03:35 PM
Obviously I'm being facetious. Is it just me?
idiotbox
Aug 12 2007, 03:40 PM
I was also wondering how they are able to cram an hour of coverage into an 8 hr time slot. They must use the same formula that they use for the Fed Ex cup.
Konklifer
Aug 12 2007, 03:50 PM
The PGA.com live feed, which is about 45 seconds behind CBS when they are live, is much better. Tiger just did something dramatic that wasn't even shown live. After that Ames, drained a long putt that wasn't shown AT ALL. Lo and behold, another commercial. But hey, at least they showed his fist pump from three different slow-mo angles. Terrible.
LONG&STR8
Aug 12 2007, 07:02 PM
Thanks for the info. The pga.com live feed sounds even better than what I usually do which is TIVO the tourny then watch about and hour to and hour and a half later then ff through all the commercials.
czydj
Aug 12 2007, 07:33 PM
QUOTE(big_jess @ Aug 12 2007, 08:02 PM)

TIVO the tourny then watch about and hour to and hour and a half later then ff through all the commercials.
Ditto that... TIVO and skip/FF through all the commercials. I probably saw around 2 minutes of commercials this entire afternoon...
spk74
Aug 12 2007, 07:41 PM
that ~$15/month for my dvr was actually worth it for this weekend.
Konrad
Aug 12 2007, 07:55 PM
Yeah DVR that stuff, go golfing come back and watch it. The scary part is I was an hour and a half behind, and I caught up live on Tiger's 15th.
RobotDoctor
Aug 12 2007, 09:31 PM
This is precisely the reason the Masters is my favorite tournament to watch.
Big D McGee
Aug 12 2007, 10:40 PM
It was ridiculous today. I started watching an hour and 20 minutes after the tournament started, and caught up somewhere around Tiger on the 12th or 13th. I was so upset, I actually used TiVo to time the commercials. At more than one point, there was about 65 seconds of golf, follwed by THREE AND A HALF MINUTES OF COMMERCIALS!! That happened at least 4-5 times! A friggin minute of "action" followed by three times as many commercials? It was borderline unwatchable. How many frakkin' times do we have to hear (coming out of commercial), "This, from a moment ago". They showed Ernie putting "a moment ago" then went "live" to him completing his tee shot on the next hole. Wow, he must've really booked from the green to the tee box!
This is a rant, but it bugs me about commercial television. Networks complain that people FFWD thru commercials, they're losing money, so their solution is...add more commercials! The avg. sitcom in the 70's was 26 minutes, w/4 minutes of commercials. In the early '00's it shrunk to 22/8. Now, the average 1/2 hour program is 20/10. No wonder the networks are losing viewers to HBO and pay cable.
zojo
Aug 12 2007, 10:47 PM
at least they should play some new commercials and not the same damn ones over and over again. And if they do insist on playing the same ones, at least make the funny so I can stand watching it, that way I can forget about what is being advertised and laugh about it instead
mrnoncontactsports
Aug 12 2007, 10:47 PM
I'm glad to know that I wasn't the only one to notice this today. I thought I was going crazy because it seemed like they would show one hole of coverage between woody, woods and els then cut to commercial. And not only would they cut to commercial but it was the same rotation of 4 or 5 ads. Ugh.... more golf less ads
Hork42
Aug 13 2007, 11:14 AM
Not really commercial related, but one other thing that bugs me about the coverage...
Nearing the end of the round, I think they showed Woody Austin putt out. Then they go to the overhead blimp view, and Tiger from behind on the tee waiting for the group to clear the green... The announcers even said that Tiger is waiting on the tee for Senden to putt out...
Why not show the golf shots? They show 2 minutes of Tiger's a** instead of showing John Senden's putt...
csiachos
Aug 13 2007, 11:22 AM
I agree totally. You know what commercial they played every 5 minutes, that American Express commercial with the Flying Tomato, whatever that kids name is. I thought if I saw it again, I was gonna turn off the TV.
ebenn
Aug 13 2007, 02:34 PM
I know the commercials suck....but thank God for them! Otherwise I wouldn't be able to play golf or pay my mortgage!!
Sorry guys...I work in ad sales for FOX.....every time I see a spot...my cash register rings...Can't wait for the NFL to begin!!!
Yes the commercial load was even heavier than I could take. With golf they squeeze in even more than most shows simply because they can. And even with TiVo, only 50% of the people skip the commercials so the spot has value even when watched later.
brettcra
Aug 13 2007, 02:51 PM
I'd like to know where you got that stat that 50% of people watching DVR still watch the commercials. Sounds like you paid a lot of money to some consulting company to tell you what you wanted to hear.
dday
Aug 13 2007, 03:39 PM
My thumb hurt from FF every 3rd shot, it was very close to unwatchable.
nonesuch101
Aug 13 2007, 05:45 PM
Two questions really jumped out at me during the many times I saw my new least favorite commercial (for Sales Genie)-
1. I'm not in sales, but it would seem to me that if both I and my competition bought the "list" of leads from this place wouldn't we be darkening the same poor saps doorsteps who somehow got themselves shoved on this list (no doubt without their knowledge or consent)?
2. How does the dad showing up with 2 puppies symbolize newfound wealth?
dcmidnight
Aug 14 2007, 06:36 AM
QUOTE(brettcra @ Aug 13 2007, 03:51 PM)

I'd like to know where you got that stat that 50% of people watching DVR still watch the commercials. Sounds like you paid a lot of money to some consulting company to tell you what you wanted to hear.
Exactly. Maybe thats the 50% that watches live and CANT skip commercials? No way that 50% of people that Tivo events actually sit there for 3 minutes and watch every single commercial.
ebenn
Aug 14 2007, 11:17 AM
QUOTE(brettcra @ Aug 13 2007, 02:51 PM)

I'd like to know where you got that stat that 50% of people watching DVR still watch the commercials. Sounds like you paid a lot of money to some consulting company to tell you what you wanted to hear.
No consulting company involved. Nielsen measures all tv viewing along with a couple of other companies trying to compete with them (not happening)
It is a fact that 50% (
more like 30% if we were to really dive into it )of TiVo viewers DO NOT skip commercials. Now sports is most likely a much lower percentage due to the fact that the majority of sports are watched live.
I've been doing this for 20 years. I might know I little about what I'm talking about.....
Konrad
Aug 14 2007, 11:38 AM
Right they don't skip, because they're...
A.) Watching it live.
B.) Talking on the phone in the other room
C.) Idiots
D.) Paralyzed
ebenn
Aug 14 2007, 11:51 AM
QUOTE(Konrad @ Aug 14 2007, 11:38 AM)

Right they don't skip, because they're...
A.) Watching it live.
B.) Talking on the phone in the other room
C.) Idiots
D.) Paralyzed
B,C, D are correct. If they are watching LIVE, it counts as live. You have to remember, most people are not "us". They are watching some prime time garbage and FORGET it's recorded. A commercial break hits and they go to the kitchen or bathroonm or whatever. This is the reason Nielsen has instituted a ratings system called LIVE+. It take into consideration how many people watch a program after it original airing. After its original airing could be 5 or 10 minutes.
I know no one wants to believe that people watch recorded commercials...but they do. And my bank account agrees because I'm still working!
Konrad
Aug 14 2007, 11:54 AM
Fair enough. If this was baseball, I'd be batting .750.
ebenn
Aug 14 2007, 12:13 PM
QUOTE(Konrad @ Aug 14 2007, 11:54 AM)

Fair enough. If this was baseball, I'd be batting .750.
For us...sports is a different deal. I too ffwd through the BS during the pga. It was too much
Here are the Chicago Ratings for Men Aged 2554. I think we'll hear the numbers were up over last year. Tiger = ratings. Someone ALMOST challenging Tiger = bigger ratings.
Ratings = % of available Men 25-54 in the market who have a tv. (5.5 rating = 5.5% of available men 25-54 with a tv were watching.
Share = % of available Men 25-54 in the market who have a tv. who were watching Tv at the time. 23 = 23% of men 2554 who were watching, tv were watching the PGA.
A 3.8 rating for Golf with a high of 5.9 is pretty big.
boomer234
Aug 14 2007, 01:36 PM
Yeah, the tournament would have been just about unwatchable without DVR. Every time I caught up to the live coverage I'd watch something else for 20-30 min and come back.
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