Could a 13-16 Handicapper beat a PGA Tour Pro?, On one or more holes over a round of 18? Options

[OneBowTie]

Yeah but what did they shoot. Ernie was 210 out, average 15 handicap is going to be WAY more than 210 out.

Difference is that they scored with in 5 or 6 strokes of each other. Doubt that would be the case between you and ernie

hey your the one who cant accept that I'm a amateur 12 handicap...... I never claimed I played on or deserve to play on the PGA TOUR..... and never did I claim i would be within 5 shots of any pro for a 18 hole round

your the one who implied nobody should win money from somebody else mistake.....

if you actually would have watched that tourney.....some of the holes were very short.... and that 18th par 5 was not a long par 5 especially for tour standards.....the hole had great character and the water proved to be the equalizer

that course was not a long course....had holes that were long....but had some great character to test those who challenged it and didn't play a great shot.....

[OneBowTie]

anybody else notice that at the HSBC Tourney on the final round......

at one point Tiger was 4 over on like a 5 hole stretch.....

on the 16th hole- a drivable par 4 that A) Phil whiffed his second shot B) Tiger duffed his second shot into a bunker 5 yards infront of him C) Watney chuncked his chip shot and barely got it onto the green.....out of this group they all were greenside in one.... and only one of them got it on the green in two, and that barely.....

for the record Phil did make a putt from the edge of the green to save par

also, while this was going on....Ernie was on the 18th hole....par 5 finishing hole....left with 210 out he said he couldnt get his 4 iron there, thought the 3 wouldnt hold, so he attempted to cut a 5 wood in and put it in the pond....this while basically needing a par to maintain the lead going into the clubhouse.....

this final round definitely provided a ton of drama.....

of course, you would have beat Tiger on that same 5 hole stretch if you were paired with him playing at the HSBC. Please let me know your name, when you expect to be on the PGA tour, so I can watch you and Tiger battle it out.

wow.....where did you get the idea that i said anything about I would have beat Tiger at the HSBC ......

I was pointing out to all you who think that the pro's never ever have a bad hole let alone several in a row....

look donkey.... I know who Tiger Woods is and what his skilz are..... amazingly the guy had what the so called experts are saying a bad tourney and he takes 6th place with 15 of the top ranked players in the world in the field.... and when several others got hot as a fire cracker on that final round.....what was it.... 3 guys shot 9 under on the final round and set and tied the course record.....

I think the course was awesome and tested all of them....it baited them and made some pay and others collected.....

[PixlPutterman]

When did I say I didnt accept that you were a 12 handicap.

If the best players in the world have trouble on a course, what makes you think youll fare any better. Even if you did, how many times have I said its possible but not probable.

Let me know when you chose to read everything that i write instead of picking out one sentence that you cant live with and writing about it.

[TML]

anybody else notice that at the HSBC Tourney on the final round......

at one point Tiger was 4 over on like a 5 hole stretch.....

on the 16th hole- a drivable par 4 that A) Phil whiffed his second shot B) Tiger duffed his second shot into a bunker 5 yards infront of him C) Watney chuncked his chip shot and barely got it onto the green.....out of this group they all were greenside in one.... and only one of them got it on the green in two, and that barely.....

for the record Phil did make a putt from the edge of the green to save par

also, while this was going on....Ernie was on the 18th hole....par 5 finishing hole....left with 210 out he said he couldnt get his 4 iron there, thought the 3 wouldnt hold, so he attempted to cut a 5 wood in and put it in the pond....this while basically needing a par to maintain the lead going into the clubhouse.....

this final round definitely provided a ton of drama.....

of course, you would have beat Tiger on that same 5 hole stretch if you were paired with him playing at the HSBC. Please let me know your name, when you expect to be on the PGA tour, so I can watch you and Tiger battle it out.

wow.....where did you get the idea that i said anything about I would have beat Tiger at the HSBC ......

I was pointing out to all you who think that the pro's never ever have a bad hole let alone several in a row....

look donkey.... I know who Tiger Woods is and what his skilz are..... amazingly the guy had what the so called experts are saying a bad tourney and he takes 6th place with 15 of the top ranked players in the world in the field.... and when several others got hot as a fire cracker on that final round.....what was it.... 3 guys shot 9 under on the final round and set and tied the course record.....

I think the course was awesome and tested all of them....it baited them and made some pay and others collected.....

haha....yes, the pros can always have bad holes. Go and look at the Topic Title here.

A PGA Tour Pro who normally plays from the tips on every course vs. a 13 handicap....if this really did occur, where do you think they would play from the blacks or the whites where the 13 handicap normally plays? If they play from the whites, do you think you'd ever see more than an iron on the tee for the PGA Tour Pro? (Hint: he's playing against the 13 handicap, not competing against the top 50 players in the world trying to do everything possible to win on Sunday). If they play from the blacks, do you really think the 13 handicap has a chance of shooting par on a 475 yd par 4?

I know I have to explain it to you, but I do find it odd that you keep saying that the pro "can have a bad hole" and applying that thought as if the PGA Tour pro had no idea he was competing against you or Ernie Els.

If you actually listened to the broadcast today, one of the commentators told a story about Tiger at Isleworth. The 2 club pros asked if they could play a match with Tiger. Tiger was not able to get out right away and said go ahead, and I'll catch up to you two. Whatever hole I catch up to you, I'll spot you guys that many shots. He caught up to them after 3 holes. Tiger ended up winning the match (tiger v. 2 pros).

This post has been edited by TML: Nov 8 2009, 10:55 PM

[OneBowTie]

When did I say I didnt accept that you were a 12 handicap.

If the best players in the world have trouble on a course, what makes you think youll fare any better. Even if you did, how many times have I said its possible but not probable.

Let me know when you chose to read everything that i write instead of picking out one sentence that you cant live with and writing about it.

Pixi..... your whole lot of posts have been reading and writing impaired ....... you have implied I think I am some tour player..... You have implied I made some other claims of playing bethpage black and shooting 88....never been there never done that.....you have implied I am clueless as to the conditions of pga tour courses.....when in fact this thread never implied anybody had to play a pga course....and as far as that goes, I have played many PGA tour stop courses....my home course was a host for years to a PGA TOUR STOP.....

I have walked...and or played several PGA TOUR STOP....including MAJOR courses..... i am very familiar with the caliber of course that the PGA plays on.....

I do not claim for one minute that I would shoot under par in a professional tourney....but merely have stated that I believe I could indeed beat a PGA tour player on one hole out of 18..... and I pointed out to you that at the last tourney some hiccups that the pro's did have...... and was merely pointing out to you had this been the case perhaps the probability and possibilities that you cling to may have swayed somewhat under those conditons

you have done nothing but make bold assumptions of what I can or cant do...or worse yet....making statements implying that I have made, which are in fact wrong.....

I stated in this thread earlier.... if you dont think you can win a hole...fine, I accept that and believe you.....if you dont accept that I think I can win a single hole, fine...but that isnt going to change my mind because you make silly claims that i dont know what a pga course is like....

so much for your impaired postings......

[OneBowTie]

anybody else notice that at the HSBC Tourney on the final round......

at one point Tiger was 4 over on like a 5 hole stretch.....

on the 16th hole- a drivable par 4 that A) Phil whiffed his second shot B) Tiger duffed his second shot into a bunker 5 yards infront of him C) Watney chuncked his chip shot and barely got it onto the green.....out of this group they all were greenside in one.... and only one of them got it on the green in two, and that barely.....

for the record Phil did make a putt from the edge of the green to save par

also, while this was going on....Ernie was on the 18th hole....par 5 finishing hole....left with 210 out he said he couldnt get his 4 iron there, thought the 3 wouldnt hold, so he attempted to cut a 5 wood in and put it in the pond....this while basically needing a par to maintain the lead going into the clubhouse.....

this final round definitely provided a ton of drama.....

of course, you would have beat Tiger on that same 5 hole stretch if you were paired with him playing at the HSBC. Please let me know your name, when you expect to be on the PGA tour, so I can watch you and Tiger battle it out.

wow.....where did you get the idea that i said anything about I would have beat Tiger at the HSBC ......

I was pointing out to all you who think that the pro's never ever have a bad hole let alone several in a row....

look donkey.... I know who Tiger Woods is and what his skilz are..... amazingly the guy had what the so called experts are saying a bad tourney and he takes 6th place with 15 of the top ranked players in the world in the field.... and when several others got hot as a fire cracker on that final round.....what was it.... 3 guys shot 9 under on the final round and set and tied the course record.....

I think the course was awesome and tested all of them....it baited them and made some pay and others collected.....

haha....yes, the pros can always have bad holes. Go and look at the Topic Title here.

A PGA Tour Pro who normally plays from the tips on every course vs. a 13 handicap....if this really did occur, where do you think they would play from the blacks or the whites where the 13 handicap normally plays? If they play from the whites, do you think you'd ever see more than an iron on the tee for the PGA Tour Pro? (Hint: he's playing against the 13 handicap, not competing against the top 50 players in the world trying to do everything possible to win on Sunday). If they play from the blacks, do you really think the 13 handicap has a chance of shooting par on a 475 yd par 4?

I know I have to explain it to you, but I do find it odd that you keep saying that the pro "can have a bad hole" and applying that thought as if the PGA Tour pro had no idea he was competing against you or Ernie Els.

you make this post as if every PGA tourney only has 475 par 4's.... heck, did you not see the holes they were playing coming down the stretch on the final legs of the US TOUR....several 550 par 4's!!!

I admit, there are many tour events that play some outrages lengths.....and I am assuming in this thread for fun....we get to play the PRO at our club or course....and at say 6500-6800 yards....

but for that matter....the HSBC event was setup and played much shorter then the stated yardage on the card...even the announcers mentioned that several times.....some of the holes were shortened by quite a bit.....and the 16th hole was set at 320ish on the final round.... most of them were taking a shot at the green in one....some were regarded very well....others didnt fare so well.....

golf is a great game.....ive seen some very good players have some great stretches of holes....and the same guys have some lousy stretches of holes....and same thing for some 10-15 handicappers......

thats why so many people feel competitive in golf....they have a few great holes and it keeps them coming back.....

you then came on here and implied that I said I could compete at the HSBC....I never made that claim at all

[PixlPutterman]

BowTie..................have you noticed your all by your self now in this thread. I never implied anything, those are called examples.

Its not always about lengths, they grow the rough out to 3 and 4 inches, narrow fairways, firm greens, even go as far planting trees in strategic spots and moving bunkers, just for weekend events.

Heck im a 5 handicap and I havent made a birdie in the past 10+ rounds. Am I capable of it, sure, are you, sure. There are so many things everyone is capable of, but thats what sets apart pros from joes, their ability to do it far more often than us.

[epixep]

Provocative question. I'd like to say, "yeah, a 13-16 might win one or two."

But I once played with a very good club pro and the round went like this: we were playing cart golf from the tee to fairway...however from our respective balls he just stuck it on every green and was putting for a birdie on every hole. I missed quite a few greens and struggled making pars and bogeys. The pro shot a 66 and I shot an 83. A decent round for me, but it felt like I got wiped out as he beat me by 17 strokes--all of them around the green. His game was basically how far is he going to be from the pin and will he make the putt?

As pointed out a pro can't make a mistake or two, but if they are on...it's lights out. To win you'd have to peak when they falter (if they falter).

Eh... I don't care who you're playing with. The best player in the world "falters" many times, every round.