MP57 or titleist AP2 Rating Options

[DFW15]

MP 57's are my favorite looking club that I would actually play MP 60's very similar but not as forgiving. I have the 755's so I am used to the new colors that Titleist is using etc. With clubs you really need to play them for about 2 or 3 weeks which is hard to do if you want custom options. I say go with a head that you like and then spend as much time if not more on shaft selection and the proper bend on your lies and lofts. I went with the AP2's because I felt they had a tad more forgiveness which would pay off with the lower irons 4 and 5 and even 6. We are really arguing about subtle differences and looks seems to be the main topic but either club is excellent just get the right shaft or shafts and get fitted or know your specifics.... that is what is really going to make a difference.

[texcrom]

No, but conversely the next time you chunk / top / shank / cut one of your ProV1's, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you paid $200 more for the AP-2 than I paid for my Mizuno's.

Guys, how many times does one have to say that the difference in price is that the shaft in the AP2 is Project X? How much is it to buy the Callaway FT's? $1k plus. How much is it to buy the Ping S58 without PX standard? $849. How much was it to buy the old Callaway X-Tour 2 years ago? $1k plus. Titleist does have the AP2 priced where it should be in the market when compared to similar clubs (without even having project X as the stock shaft!). There is a lot of technology that has gone in to the AP2 and obviously people are/were buying the S58s, FT's, Fusions, old X-Tours, etc. You have to remember that this is new for Titleist to produce a club with so much tech. People are just used to paying $600-$800 for their Titleists. Now that they've put a lot of engineering and research (not to mention risk) into a new direction, someone has to pay for it. They're going to make what the market is baring and right now it is baring a $1k set 3-pw.

Let me help you out with the local prices in my area....

Titleist AP-2 with Project X = $999
Titleist ZM with Dynamic Gold = $899
Mizuno MP-57 with Project X = $849

Thanks for the math lesson. You're right, only $150 difference, same shaft.

The fact is that the increased prices are not a result of tremendous leaps in "technology".

Many tour players, if they were not tied to huge endorsement contracts, given an option to select an iron, would select Mizuno. Not all, but many more than you might imagine.

The reason you pay $999 for X-Tours and X-Forged, and $999 for the AP-2, and $999 for a set of RAC MB's, and $799 for a set of cast Taylor Made R7TP's is simple....you are paying for marketing / advertising, and you are paying for huge endorsement contracts.

Isn't it odd that companies like Cleveland and Mizuno and Ping, that have less contracts with tour players, and not nearly the amount of advertising, sell their player clubs for considerably less than the companies described above? I can walk into a major golf chain today and buy Cleveland or Mizuno irons for $699. That would be a set of MP-32's, 67's, or 60's, and the Cleveland Red Gel (whatever they are called) are $699, and the new just released Cleveland CG Tour for $799. Even the Ping i10 sells for $699.

Quite frankly, from a technology standpoint, the all new technologically advanced AP-2 bears a striking resemblance to last years Nike CCI Forged. The advanced Callaway prototypes, as shown in another topic, bear a striking resemblance to the Hogan Apex from a couple of years ago (Callaway owns Hogan...coincidence?)

I'm sorry, but the technology theory just doesn't fly. The prices are up to cover advertising and endorsement deals.

This post has been edited by texcrom: Mar 5 2008, 11:39 PM

[drpino]

No, but conversely the next time you chunk / top / shank / cut one of your ProV1's, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you paid $200 more for the AP-2 than I paid for my Mizuno's.

Guys, how many times does one have to say that the difference in price is that the shaft in the AP2 is Project X? How much is it to buy the Callaway FT's? $1k plus. How much is it to buy the Ping S58 without PX standard? $849. How much was it to buy the old Callaway X-Tour 2 years ago? $1k plus. Titleist does have the AP2 priced where it should be in the market when compared to similar clubs (without even having project X as the stock shaft!). There is a lot of technology that has gone in to the AP2 and obviously people are/were buying the S58s, FT's, Fusions, old X-Tours, etc. You have to remember that this is new for Titleist to produce a club with so much tech. People are just used to paying $600-$800 for their Titleists. Now that they've put a lot of engineering and research (not to mention risk) into a new direction, someone has to pay for it. They're going to make what the market is baring and right now it is baring a $1k set 3-pw.

Let me help you out with the local prices in my area....

Titleist AP-2 with Project X = $999
Titleist ZM with Dynamic Gold = $899
Mizuno MP-57 with Project X = $849

Thanks for the math lesson. You're right, only $150 difference, same shaft.

The fact is that the increased prices are not a result of tremendous leaps in "technology".

Many tour players, if they were not tied to huge endorsement contracts, given an option to select an iron, would select Mizuno. Not all, but many more than you might imagine.

The reason you pay $999 for X-Tours and X-Forged, and $999 for the AP-2, and $999 for a set of RAC MB's, and $799 for a set of cast Taylor Made R7TP's is simple....you are paying for marketing / advertising, and you are paying for huge endorsement contracts.

Isn't it odd that companies like Cleveland and Mizuno and Ping, that have less contracts with tour players, and not nearly the amount of advertising, sell their player clubs for considerably less than the companies described above? I can walk into a major golf chain today and buy Cleveland or Mizuno irons for $699. That would be a set of MP-32's, 67's, or 60's, and the Cleveland Red Gel whatever they are and the new just released CG Tour for $799, and the Ping i10 for $699.

Quite frankly, from a technology standpoint, the all new technologically advanced AP-2 bears a striking resemblance to last years Nike CCI Forged. The advanced Callaway prototypes, as shown in another topic, bear a striking resemblance to the Hogan Apex from a couple of years ago (Callaway owns Hogan...coincidence?)

I'm sorry, but the technology theory just doesn't fly.

take a look at Callaway's Big Bertha '08 - +$200 for stock piece o' crap graphite shafts over stock piece o' crap steel shafts.

thanks for the sarcasm. $200 difference, same heads and similar cheap, piece o' crap shafts.

i know you're a big Mizuno fan but the market and its prices are dictated by supply and demand and regardless of whether you like it or not, in the overall retail golf market (that caters to the average golfer and not the average WRX member), there is more demand for Titleist irons than Mizuno (basing this on actual retail marketplace experience).

your comment regarding tour players...is that based on your interviews with them? sounds like an assumption to me.

Cleveland positions their clubs at a lower price point on purpose...it's the segment of the market they're purposefully targeting (straight from the rep's mouth).

Ping has a "high-tech" set in the Raptures....price point on those?

Mizuno also has a "high-tech" set....MX-950...price point on those?

don't take this post as a complete agreement with the pricing policies of OEMs and their "more technology" justification...just want to shed more light on your obviously biased opinion.

This post has been edited by drpino: Mar 5 2008, 11:47 PM

[texcrom]

No, but conversely the next time you chunk / top / shank / cut one of your ProV1's, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you paid $200 more for the AP-2 than I paid for my Mizuno's.

Guys, how many times does one have to say that the difference in price is that the shaft in the AP2 is Project X? How much is it to buy the Callaway FT's? $1k plus. How much is it to buy the Ping S58 without PX standard? $849. How much was it to buy the old Callaway X-Tour 2 years ago? $1k plus. Titleist does have the AP2 priced where it should be in the market when compared to similar clubs (without even having project X as the stock shaft!). There is a lot of technology that has gone in to the AP2 and obviously people are/were buying the S58s, FT's, Fusions, old X-Tours, etc. You have to remember that this is new for Titleist to produce a club with so much tech. People are just used to paying $600-$800 for their Titleists. Now that they've put a lot of engineering and research (not to mention risk) into a new direction, someone has to pay for it. They're going to make what the market is baring and right now it is baring a $1k set 3-pw.

Let me help you out with the local prices in my area....

Titleist AP-2 with Project X = $999
Titleist ZM with Dynamic Gold = $899
Mizuno MP-57 with Project X = $849

Thanks for the math lesson. You're right, only $150 difference, same shaft.

The fact is that the increased prices are not a result of tremendous leaps in "technology".

Many tour players, if they were not tied to huge endorsement contracts, given an option to select an iron, would select Mizuno. Not all, but many more than you might imagine.

The reason you pay $999 for X-Tours and X-Forged, and $999 for the AP-2, and $999 for a set of RAC MB's, and $799 for a set of cast Taylor Made R7TP's is simple....you are paying for marketing / advertising, and you are paying for huge endorsement contracts.

Isn't it odd that companies like Cleveland and Mizuno and Ping, that have less contracts with tour players, and not nearly the amount of advertising, sell their player clubs for considerably less than the companies described above? I can walk into a major golf chain today and buy Cleveland or Mizuno irons for $699. That would be a set of MP-32's, 67's, or 60's, and the Cleveland Red Gel whatever they are and the new just released CG Tour for $799, and the Ping i10 for $699.

Quite frankly, from a technology standpoint, the all new technologically advanced AP-2 bears a striking resemblance to last years Nike CCI Forged. The advanced Callaway prototypes, as shown in another topic, bear a striking resemblance to the Hogan Apex from a couple of years ago (Callaway owns Hogan...coincidence?)

I'm sorry, but the technology theory just doesn't fly.

take a look at Callaway's Big Bertha '08 - +$200 for stock piece o' crap graphite shafts over stock piece o' crap steel shafts.

thanks for the sarcasm. $200 difference, same heads and similar cheap, piece o' crap shafts.

i know you're a big Mizuno fan but the market and its prices are dictated by supply and demand and regardless of whether you like it or not, in the overall retail golf market (that caters to the average golfer and not the average WRX member), there is more demand for Titleist irons than Mizuno (basing this on actual retail marketplace experience).

your comment regarding tour players...is that based on your interviews with them? sounds like an assumption to me.

Cleveland positions their clubs at a lower price point on purpose...it's the segment of the market they're purposefully targeting (straight from the rep's mouth).

Ping has a "high-tech" set in the Raptures....price point on those?

Mizuno also has a "high-tech" set....MX-950...price point on those?

don't take this post as a complete agreement with the pricing policies of OEMs and their "more technology" justification...just want to shed more light on your obviously biased opinion.

Obviously, I'm not aware of Clevlands positions as I am not in retail.

Comment on tour players based on conversations....yes. In addition, there is a historical perspective.

Anyway, your points are well taken, and well communicated in the spirit of debate.

(Note to self......Change my signature before going off on a Mizuno rant!)

(Add'l. note to self......No matter how good they might look, do not buy the AP-2's!!)

[LSeca]

Never hit the Ap2, but I am a Titleist fan. However, I like the look of the MP57 way more and I like the fact the company specializes in one thing...fine forged irons. Mizuno iron users seem to be some of the most loyal for a reason, the feel of Mizzy forged are the yardstick all other major oems are judged by. I am not saying the Mp57s are better for anyone here, but they are for me. I don't think either is going to be noticebly more forgiving or workable over the other, especially after you have played them for a while, so buy whatever model you want.

[drpino]

Obviously, I'm not aware of Clevlands positions as I am not in retail.

Comment on tour players based on conversations....yes. In addition, there is a historical perspective.

Anyway, your points are well taken, and well communicated in the spirit of debate.

(Note to self......Change my signature before going off on a Mizuno rant!)

(Add'l. note to self......No matter how good they might look, do not buy the AP-2's!!)

Cleveland sees its position in the market as the one filling the demand for clubs that perform but won't break the bank...very admirable considering there's a trend towards "buying" skill for many golfers.

i find it logical that more skilled players (i.e. touring professionals) gravitate towards simply designed yet high performing products like those produced by Mizuno, Ping and yes, Titleist. but by your own argument, the prevalence of AP2s in the bags of Titleist staffers would indicate there is a performance benefit to the AP2s when they're choosing them over the 69X-series blades/CBs and the new ZM/ZB.

personally, i'm a fan of Mizuno, Titleist, Srixon, Bridgestone, Ping and to a lesser extent Cleveland and consequently own clubs (in all categories) from all of the above. i find the price points of the entire golf industry somewhat ludicrous to be honest. for a game/industry that's essentially declining (in terms of rounds played, etc.) in popularity in recent years, the OEMs aren't doing any of us any favors by pricing potential players out of the market with their $500+ drivers, $1k+ irons, $250 putters, etc. thank god for PUDs, the used club market and the WRX BST

[love2golf]

No, but conversely the next time you chunk / top / shank / cut one of your ProV1's, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you paid $200 more for the AP-2 than I paid for my Mizuno's.

Guys, how many times does one have to say that the difference in price is that the shaft in the AP2 is Project X? How much is it to buy the Callaway FT's? $1k plus. How much is it to buy the Ping S58 without PX standard? $849. How much was it to buy the old Callaway X-Tour 2 years ago? $1k plus. Titleist does have the AP2 priced where it should be in the market when compared to similar clubs (without even having project X as the stock shaft!). There is a lot of technology that has gone in to the AP2 and obviously people are/were buying the S58s, FT's, Fusions, old X-Tours, etc. You have to remember that this is new for Titleist to produce a club with so much tech. People are just used to paying $600-$800 for their Titleists. Now that they've put a lot of engineering and research (not to mention risk) into a new direction, someone has to pay for it. They're going to make what the market is baring and right now it is baring a $1k set 3-pw.

Let me help you out with the local prices in my area....

Titleist AP-2 with Project X = $999
Titleist ZM with Dynamic Gold = $899
Mizuno MP-57 with Project X = $849

Thanks for the math lesson. You're right, only $150 difference, same shaft.

The fact is that the increased prices are not a result of tremendous leaps in "technology".

Many tour players, if they were not tied to huge endorsement contracts, given an option to select an iron, would select Mizuno. Not all, but many more than you might imagine.

The reason you pay $999 for X-Tours and X-Forged, and $999 for the AP-2, and $999 for a set of RAC MB's, and $799 for a set of cast Taylor Made R7TP's is simple....you are paying for marketing / advertising, and you are paying for huge endorsement contracts.

Isn't it odd that companies like Cleveland and Mizuno and Ping, that have less contracts with tour players, and not nearly the amount of advertising, sell their player clubs for considerably less than the companies described above? I can walk into a major golf chain today and buy Cleveland or Mizuno irons for $699. That would be a set of MP-32's, 67's, or 60's, and the Cleveland Red Gel (whatever they are called) are $699, and the new just released Cleveland CG Tour for $799. Even the Ping i10 sells for $699.

Quite frankly, from a technology standpoint, the all new technologically advanced AP-2 bears a striking resemblance to last years Nike CCI Forged. The advanced Callaway prototypes, as shown in another topic, bear a striking resemblance to the Hogan Apex from a couple of years ago (Callaway owns Hogan...coincidence?)

I'm sorry, but the technology theory just doesn't fly. The prices are up to cover advertising and endorsement deals.

I wasn't giving you a math lesson. Please drop the attitude. All I did was give a comparison of other very similar clubs out there. There is a big price difference in the AP1 and the AP2 for a reason. The AP1 is cast. The AP2 is a two piece forging that is welded together with some sort of tungsten cradle in the back. A more costly manufacturing procedure is involved with the AP2. And of course, marketing is involved. That always drives up prices. I thought that was common sense and not even worth discussing. That's why MP-57's and AP-2's cost so much to begin with. Or for that matter, my Jeep Wrangler, my TV, my cell phone, etc. Marketing is a common sensical part of the argument of any brand. And in my mind, the AP-2 and MP-57, marketing dollars probably cancel each other out for the sake of this argument.

But by your argument, the AP-2 is strictly higher priced due to advertising and endorsement deals? Just that iron out of the whole stable of Titleist irons? You don't think it has to do with the higher cost manufacturing process of the AP2? Just a thought.

[texcrom]

No, but conversely the next time you chunk / top / shank / cut one of your ProV1's, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you paid $200 more for the AP-2 than I paid for my Mizuno's.

Guys, how many times does one have to say that the difference in price is that the shaft in the AP2 is Project X? How much is it to buy the Callaway FT's? $1k plus. How much is it to buy the Ping S58 without PX standard? $849. How much was it to buy the old Callaway X-Tour 2 years ago? $1k plus. Titleist does have the AP2 priced where it should be in the market when compared to similar clubs (without even having project X as the stock shaft!). There is a lot of technology that has gone in to the AP2 and obviously people are/were buying the S58s, FT's, Fusions, old X-Tours, etc. You have to remember that this is new for Titleist to produce a club with so much tech. People are just used to paying $600-$800 for their Titleists. Now that they've put a lot of engineering and research (not to mention risk) into a new direction, someone has to pay for it. They're going to make what the market is baring and right now it is baring a $1k set 3-pw.

Let me help you out with the local prices in my area....

Titleist AP-2 with Project X = $999
Titleist ZM with Dynamic Gold = $899
Mizuno MP-57 with Project X = $849

Thanks for the math lesson. You're right, only $150 difference, same shaft.

The fact is that the increased prices are not a result of tremendous leaps in "technology".

Many tour players, if they were not tied to huge endorsement contracts, given an option to select an iron, would select Mizuno. Not all, but many more than you might imagine.

The reason you pay $999 for X-Tours and X-Forged, and $999 for the AP-2, and $999 for a set of RAC MB's, and $799 for a set of cast Taylor Made R7TP's is simple....you are paying for marketing / advertising, and you are paying for huge endorsement contracts.

Isn't it odd that companies like Cleveland and Mizuno and Ping, that have less contracts with tour players, and not nearly the amount of advertising, sell their player clubs for considerably less than the companies described above? I can walk into a major golf chain today and buy Cleveland or Mizuno irons for $699. That would be a set of MP-32's, 67's, or 60's, and the Cleveland Red Gel (whatever they are called) are $699, and the new just released Cleveland CG Tour for $799. Even the Ping i10 sells for $699.

Quite frankly, from a technology standpoint, the all new technologically advanced AP-2 bears a striking resemblance to last years Nike CCI Forged. The advanced Callaway prototypes, as shown in another topic, bear a striking resemblance to the Hogan Apex from a couple of years ago (Callaway owns Hogan...coincidence?)

I'm sorry, but the technology theory just doesn't fly. The prices are up to cover advertising and endorsement deals.

I wasn't giving you a math lesson. Please drop the attitude. All I did was give a comparison of other very similar clubs out there. There is a big price difference in the AP1 and the AP2 for a reason. The AP1 is cast. The AP2 is a two piece forging that is welded together with some sort of tungsten cradle in the back. A more costly manufacturing procedure is involved with the AP2. And of course, marketing is involved. That always drives up prices. I thought that was common sense and not even worth discussing. That's why MP-57's and AP-2's cost so much to begin with. Or for that matter, my Jeep Wrangler, my TV, my cell phone, etc. Marketing is a common sensical part of the argument of any brand. And in my mind, the AP-2 and MP-57, marketing dollars probably cancel each other out for the sake of this argument.

But by your argument, the AP-2 is strictly higher priced due to advertising and endorsement deals? Just that iron out of the whole stable of Titleist irons? You don't think it has to do with the higher cost manufacturing process of the AP2? Just a thought.

No attitude...just thoughts....and neither of us is going to win this debate.

I guess my point is that there does not seem to be $150 -$200 of additional technology or manufacturing costs in the AP2 as compared to the MP-57.

Despite my signature, I have been a Titleist consumer for years (balls, clubs, and in fact a nice black and white staff bag and den caddy sit beside my desk as I type this.).

Titleist is a quality manufacturer. I just believe that their prices have risen to the point that does not justify the difference in quality, either in their clubs, or for that matter in their balls.

In my geographical area for the last year, the Mizuno MP-67 and MP-32 sold for $699, while the Titleist 695MB and 695CB sold for $899. Similar quality sticks with Dynamic Gold shafts.

For my $200, I'll go with Mizuno, especially when I consider it an equally good, or in some cases, better product.

So, let's just agree to disagree. I've enjoyed our discussion.



This post has been edited by texcrom: Mar 6 2008, 01:11 AM

[eRod v1.0]

If I had enough cash, I would get both of them! Lmao.

[Larry Swing]

Must be US market issue, mybe $ related. Here in Europe the MP57 with Project X is significantly (~15%) more expensive than the AP2 with the same shaft, only with the standard shaft (DG) it is a bit cheaper. The MP57 with Graphite Shafts is 20% more expensive than the AP2. Pricing was one factor in my decision, too.

[love2golf]

No, but conversely the next time you chunk / top / shank / cut one of your ProV1's, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you paid $200 more for the AP-2 than I paid for my Mizuno's.

Guys, how many times does one have to say that the difference in price is that the shaft in the AP2 is Project X? How much is it to buy the Callaway FT's? $1k plus. How much is it to buy the Ping S58 without PX standard? $849. How much was it to buy the old Callaway X-Tour 2 years ago? $1k plus. Titleist does have the AP2 priced where it should be in the market when compared to similar clubs (without even having project X as the stock shaft!). There is a lot of technology that has gone in to the AP2 and obviously people are/were buying the S58s, FT's, Fusions, old X-Tours, etc. You have to remember that this is new for Titleist to produce a club with so much tech. People are just used to paying $600-$800 for their Titleists. Now that they've put a lot of engineering and research (not to mention risk) into a new direction, someone has to pay for it. They're going to make what the market is baring and right now it is baring a $1k set 3-pw.

Let me help you out with the local prices in my area....

Titleist AP-2 with Project X = $999
Titleist ZM with Dynamic Gold = $899
Mizuno MP-57 with Project X = $849

Thanks for the math lesson. You're right, only $150 difference, same shaft.

The fact is that the increased prices are not a result of tremendous leaps in "technology".

Many tour players, if they were not tied to huge endorsement contracts, given an option to select an iron, would select Mizuno. Not all, but many more than you might imagine.

The reason you pay $999 for X-Tours and X-Forged, and $999 for the AP-2, and $999 for a set of RAC MB's, and $799 for a set of cast Taylor Made R7TP's is simple....you are paying for marketing / advertising, and you are paying for huge endorsement contracts.

Isn't it odd that companies like Cleveland and Mizuno and Ping, that have less contracts with tour players, and not nearly the amount of advertising, sell their player clubs for considerably less than the companies described above? I can walk into a major golf chain today and buy Cleveland or Mizuno irons for $699. That would be a set of MP-32's, 67's, or 60's, and the Cleveland Red Gel (whatever they are called) are $699, and the new just released Cleveland CG Tour for $799. Even the Ping i10 sells for $699.

Quite frankly, from a technology standpoint, the all new technologically advanced AP-2 bears a striking resemblance to last years Nike CCI Forged. The advanced Callaway prototypes, as shown in another topic, bear a striking resemblance to the Hogan Apex from a couple of years ago (Callaway owns Hogan...coincidence?)

I'm sorry, but the technology theory just doesn't fly. The prices are up to cover advertising and endorsement deals.

I wasn't giving you a math lesson. Please drop the attitude. All I did was give a comparison of other very similar clubs out there. There is a big price difference in the AP1 and the AP2 for a reason. The AP1 is cast. The AP2 is a two piece forging that is welded together with some sort of tungsten cradle in the back. A more costly manufacturing procedure is involved with the AP2. And of course, marketing is involved. That always drives up prices. I thought that was common sense and not even worth discussing. That's why MP-57's and AP-2's cost so much to begin with. Or for that matter, my Jeep Wrangler, my TV, my cell phone, etc. Marketing is a common sensical part of the argument of any brand. And in my mind, the AP-2 and MP-57, marketing dollars probably cancel each other out for the sake of this argument.

But by your argument, the AP-2 is strictly higher priced due to advertising and endorsement deals? Just that iron out of the whole stable of Titleist irons? You don't think it has to do with the higher cost manufacturing process of the AP2? Just a thought.

No attitude...just thoughts....and neither of us is going to win this debate.

I guess my point is that there does not seem to be $150 -$200 of additional technology or manufacturing costs in the AP2 as compared to the MP-57.

Despite my signature, I have been a Titleist consumer for years (balls, clubs, and in fact a nice black and white staff bag and den caddy sit beside my desk as I type this.).

Titleist is a quality manufacturer. I just believe that their prices have risen to the point that does not justify the difference in quality, either in their clubs, or for that matter in their balls.

In my geographical area for the last year, the Mizuno MP-67 and MP-32 sold for $699, while the Titleist 695MB and 695CB sold for $899. Similar quality sticks with Dynamic Gold shafts.

For my $200, I'll go with Mizuno, especially when I consider it an equally good, or in some cases, better product.

So, let's just agree to disagree. I've enjoyed our discussion.

And I see your point in a way especially when it comes to the Pro-V's. Really, I believe all golf clubs are too high in cost. But I also believe that housing, gas, cars, and most everything have gotten out of hand. In a word, everything's getting expensive.

Yes let's agree to disagree and get this post back on topic. Let's all agree not to discuss the price of the clubs in this thread, and focus on the playing aspects of both clubs. Whatever someone wants to pay for golf clubs is their business.

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[aplomb]

Never hit the Ap2, but I am a Titleist fan. However, I like the look of the MP57 way more and I like the fact the company specializes in one thing...fine forged irons. Mizuno iron users seem to be some of the most loyal for a reason, the feel of Mizzy forged are the yardstick all other major oems are judged by. I am not saying the Mp57s are better for anyone here, but they are for me. I don't think either is going to be noticebly more forgiving or workable over the other, especially after you have played them for a while, so buy whatever model you want.

Funny you say that, I've always considered the MP33 to be the gold standard by which any other club is judged on feel. I had them bagged when I played a lot and could strike them well....nothing in golf equipment feels as good as a perfectly struck MP33. I don't play as often and now have MP60s which are almost as buttery. Sadly I'm looking for a even little more forgveness now as I'm not sure I'm even playing enough to strike the MP60's well enough. I'm looking at MP57s and belieeve it or not Pings.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.

[LSeca]

I wasn't saying mp57 are the best feeling, I was trying to say any of the Mizuno forged are usually considered a top notch oem in this area and a buyer can almost count on them being fantastic. Whether it is a set of 33s, 60s, 57s, etc they are going to be good iron for the particular category they are marketed for. I rarely hear or read anything like "titleist soft" or anything like this....the point of reference when it comes to feel is usually a Mizuno iron. This holds true whether it is a blade or a cavity style forged iron. Smaller makes like Miura and others get great reviews too, but most of the time Mizuno is the yardstick. Again, I am not saying the Titleist AP series, or others, are not fine feeling irons but Mizzy has a rep that has been earned.

By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.

Funny you say that, I've always considered the MP33 to be the gold standard by which any other club is judged on feel. I had them bagged when I played a lot and could strike them well....nothing in golf equipment feels as good as a perfectly struck MP33. I don't play as often and now have MP60s which are almost as buttery. Sadly I'm looking for a even little more forgveness now as I'm not sure I'm even playing enough to strike the MP60's well enough. I'm looking at MP57s and belieeve it or not Pings.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.

[aplomb]

I wasn't saying mp57 are the best feeling, I was trying to say any of the Mizuno forged are usually considered a top notch oem in this area and a buyer can almost count on them being fantastic. Whether it is a set of 33s, 60s, 57s, etc they are going to be good iron for the particular category they are marketed for. I rarely hear or read anything like "titleist soft" or anything like this....the point of reference when it comes to feel is usually a Mizuno iron. This holds true whether it is a blade or a cavity style forged iron. Smaller makes like Miura and others get great reviews too, but most of the time Mizuno is the yardstick. Again, I am not saying the Titleist AP series, or others, are not fine feeling irons but Mizzy has a rep that has been earned.

By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.

Funny you say that, I've always considered the MP33 to be the gold standard by which any other club is judged on feel. I had them bagged when I played a lot and could strike them well....nothing in golf equipment feels as good as a perfectly struck MP33. I don't play as often and now have MP60s which are almost as buttery. Sadly I'm looking for a even little more forgveness now as I'm not sure I'm even playing enough to strike the MP60's well enough. I'm looking at MP57s and belieeve it or not Pings.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.

I'll make a long story as short as I can. Playing MP60s and love them. I used to hit them pure most of the time. But, I'm not playing as often so I thought of something still clean looking with a little added forgiveness. The MP57 is an obvious choice for a Mizzy lover like myself and is certainly in the running but I'm open minded. The S58 and i10 has me interested. The demos at the shop have the lighter shafts (ZZ65 and AWT) which don't suit me at all. I'm so used to the S300 that I can't feel where the club is during my swing with a lighter shaft, and IMHO a light thin wall shaft doesn't feel as solid as an S300. (the standard Ping is 1/4 inch shorter than the Mizzy and has a D0 swingweight which makes matters worse, I just can't feel where the club and head are to get them released through the ball) I'm also interested in the PING durability. There is an all (or most) maunfacturer demo day locally on Saturday. Hopefully they will have the i10 and S58 with a DG shaft to try. At the very least the ZZ65 1/4 over with the cushion insert that adds 10 grams. That may give me a better head to head comparison between the Ping and Mizzy. If I just can't get along with a Ping on Saturday I'll get the MP57s which I've hit and like a lot.

[texcrom]

I wasn't saying mp57 are the best feeling, I was trying to say any of the Mizuno forged are usually considered a top notch oem in this area and a buyer can almost count on them being fantastic. Whether it is a set of 33s, 60s, 57s, etc they are going to be good iron for the particular category they are marketed for. I rarely hear or read anything like "titleist soft" or anything like this....the point of reference when it comes to feel is usually a Mizuno iron. This holds true whether it is a blade or a cavity style forged iron. Smaller makes like Miura and others get great reviews too, but most of the time Mizuno is the yardstick. Again, I am not saying the Titleist AP series, or others, are not fine feeling irons but Mizzy has a rep that has been earned.

By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.

Funny you say that, I've always considered the MP33 to be the gold standard by which any other club is judged on feel. I had them bagged when I played a lot and could strike them well....nothing in golf equipment feels as good as a perfectly struck MP33. I don't play as often and now have MP60s which are almost as buttery. Sadly I'm looking for a even little more forgveness now as I'm not sure I'm even playing enough to strike the MP60's well enough. I'm looking at MP57s and belieeve it or not Pings.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.

I'll make a long story as short as I can. Playing MP60s and love them. I used to hit them pure most of the time. But, I'm not playing as often so I thought of something still clean looking with a little added forgiveness. The MP57 is an obvious choice for a Mizzy lover like myself and is certainly in the running but I'm open minded. The S58 and i10 has me interested. The demos at the shop have the lighter shafts (ZZ65 and AWT) which don't suit me at all. I'm so used to the S300 that I can't feel where the club is during my swing with a lighter shaft, and IMHO a light thin wall shaft doesn't feel as solid as an S300. (the standard Ping is 1/4 inch shorter than the Mizzy and has a D0 swingweight which makes matters worse, I just can't feel where the club and head are to get them released through the ball) I'm also interested in the PING durability. There is an all (or most) maunfacturer demo day locally on Saturday. Hopefully they will have the i10 and S58 with a DG shaft to try. At the very least the ZZ65 1/4 over with the cushion insert that adds 10 grams. That may give me a better head to head comparison between the Ping and Mizzy. If I just can't get along with a Ping on Saturday I'll get the MP57s which I've hit and like a lot.

McFly:

I feel your pain...

I currently own MP-33's, MP-32's, and just got a set of the MP-57's. Owned other Mizuno's prior to these.

I'd been gaming the 32's and have the same issue you have, thus I'm trying to move on to the 57's.

However, on those occassions where I decide for fun to play with my 33's, there is no finer feeling than a well struck shot with an MP-33. It is pure golf!

Good luck on your decision. In the end, I'm betting you're still a Mizuno guy.

This post has been edited by texcrom: Mar 6 2008, 10:27 PM

[aplomb]

I wasn't saying mp57 are the best feeling, I was trying to say any of the Mizuno forged are usually considered a top notch oem in this area and a buyer can almost count on them being fantastic. Whether it is a set of 33s, 60s, 57s, etc they are going to be good iron for the particular category they are marketed for. I rarely hear or read anything like "titleist soft" or anything like this....the point of reference when it comes to feel is usually a Mizuno iron. This holds true whether it is a blade or a cavity style forged iron. Smaller makes like Miura and others get great reviews too, but most of the time Mizuno is the yardstick. Again, I am not saying the Titleist AP series, or others, are not fine feeling irons but Mizzy has a rep that has been earned.

By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.

Funny you say that, I've always considered the MP33 to be the gold standard by which any other club is judged on feel. I had them bagged when I played a lot and could strike them well....nothing in golf equipment feels as good as a perfectly struck MP33. I don't play as often and now have MP60s which are almost as buttery. Sadly I'm looking for a even little more forgveness now as I'm not sure I'm even playing enough to strike the MP60's well enough. I'm looking at MP57s and belieeve it or not Pings.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.

I'll make a long story as short as I can. Playing MP60s and love them. I used to hit them pure most of the time. But, I'm not playing as often so I thought of something still clean looking with a little added forgiveness. The MP57 is an obvious choice for a Mizzy lover like myself and is certainly in the running but I'm open minded. The S58 and i10 has me interested. The demos at the shop have the lighter shafts (ZZ65 and AWT) which don't suit me at all. I'm so used to the S300 that I can't feel where the club is during my swing with a lighter shaft, and IMHO a light thin wall shaft doesn't feel as solid as an S300. (the standard Ping is 1/4 inch shorter than the Mizzy and has a D0 swingweight which makes matters worse, I just can't feel where the club and head are to get them released through the ball) I'm also interested in the PING durability. There is an all (or most) maunfacturer demo day locally on Saturday. Hopefully they will have the i10 and S58 with a DG shaft to try. At the very least the ZZ65 1/4 over with the cushion insert that adds 10 grams. That may give me a better head to head comparison between the Ping and Mizzy. If I just can't get along with a Ping on Saturday I'll get the MP57s which I've hit and like a lot.

McFly:

I feel your pain...

I currently own MP-33's, MP-32's, and just got a set of the MP-57's. Owned other Mizuno's prior to these.

I'd been gaming the 32's and have the same issue you have, thus I'm trying to move on to the 57's.

However, on those occassions where I decide for fun to play with my 33's, there is no finer feeling than a well struck shot with an MP-33. It is pure golf!

Good luck on your decision. In the end, I'm betting you're still a Mizuno guy.

Thanks, your'e probably right. l'll give the Pings an honest run but I won't be surprised if in the end I'm unwilling to give up the Mizzy feel as long as the 57 gives me the little bit of forgiveness I'm looking for.
As for the 33s, I always found them to be amazingly forgiving for a true blade. I wish I had the game for them.

This post has been edited by McFly: Mar 6 2008, 10:46 PM

[Larry Swing]

Damned Titleist - my pro shop just informed me that custom fit orders for the AP2 will start shipping mid April! Only standard sets will be available Mid March!

[kevcarter]

Damned Titleist - my pro shop just informed me that custom fit orders for the AP2 will start shipping mid April! Only standard sets will be available Mid March!

Always the case with Titleist. They get the first runs into the shops while they are gearing up for custom production. Same time frame for every iron release I can remember. If it's any consolation, they have always started shipping a little sooner than they tell you. Under promise and over deliver...

Kevin

[eRod v1.0]

Dang it, if that's the case I may not want to wait until mid April to get those itons. I may end up getting the MP57 after all. It sucks not having patience.

[spacedust]

Never hit the Ap2, but I am a Titleist fan. However, I like the look of the MP57 way more and I like the fact the company specializes in one thing...fine forged irons. Mizuno iron users seem to be some of the most loyal for a reason, the feel of Mizzy forged are the yardstick all other major oems are judged by. I am not saying the Mp57s are better for anyone here, but they are for me. I don't think either is going to be noticebly more forgiving or workable over the other, especially after you have played them for a while, so buy whatever model you want.

i have a custom set of mp 57 and i really like them. I've own many sets of other clubs and the mp 57 makes me feel happy just by knowing i own them. its looks good and feels great.

by looking at the mizuno website, its appears to be a worldwide, very large company that makes many things besides irons. anything from shoes, baseball bats, gloves, swim wear, the lists goes on and on...

don't have any experience with their other products.... so can't comment on them.

[sidewinder]

Well, I had a chance to hit the AP1 and AP2 irons today. Both are great but the AP2 feels better. In fact, the AP2 feels just as good as the MP-57 and maybe a bit better. I REALLY liked the AP2. I also really liked the Project X 5.5 shafts...

Damn....

Scott

[bcass]

How is the project X 5.5 shaft compared to s300 as far as ball flight and tip stiffness.
Thanks,
Brad

[Parzinski]

most irons nowadays are built with quality- and performance has more to do with the individual than the equipment itself. buy what you will think bring you most joy. it all comes down to personal preference, because its something that you alone will own and use.

i bought the mp 57, couple of weeks ago. have played about 7 rounds or so. I can't express how much i enjoy playing and owning these clubs. i cut and regripped them the day the irons were delivered, prefererred a little smaller grip than stock. bought neoprene headcovers to protect them.
everytime i pull them out the bag, it makes me smile. They look good and feel great. these babies sit in my living room every night.

here are some pics i took before and after a quick wet wipe down and wd 40 rub.
[attachment=225926:DSC00916.JPG]
[attachment=225925:DSC00918.JPG]
[attachment=225924:DSC00915.JPG]
[attachment=225927:DSC00917.JPG]
[attachment=225928:DSC00926.JPG]

NICE HEADCOVERS!!!!!! where did u get them????????????????

[bcass]

Is the 5.5 shaft have a stiff tip like DGSL shaft that you are currently playing or maybe closer to DG S300 Is the AP2 4 iron as easy to hit as MX25?
Thanks,
Brad

[justanothergolfe...]

try something really special !!!

http://vega-golf.com/raf-cm-blade-iron.htm

[Lsutiger]

My buddy got his today and my AP2's will be in Thursday. The PX5.5 frequencies out to the same as the DG S300's. Can't wait! These clubs are Awesome. I've never been this excited to get a set of irons. LOL!

[Larry Swing]

From what I read, the DGS300 frequencies out to a Rifle flex of about 5.8, but the PX might feel stiffer because it is butt stiff compared to the S300 which is tip stiff. Most of the pros whom I talked to suggested the PX 5.5 as a replacement for the S300.

I have hit the MP57 with the DGS300, Nippon 1150 Pro, PX 5.5 against the AP2 with PX 5.5. Of all versions, I prefer the AP2/PX5.5. It feels soft and solid and feels less harsh on mishits than the MP57.

[Lsutiger]

From what I read, the DGS300 frequencies out to a Rifle flex of about 5.8, but the PX might feel stiffer because it is butt stiff compared to the S300 which is tip stiff. Most of the pros whom I talked to suggested the PX 5.5 as a replacement for the S300.

I have hit the MP57 with the DGS300, Nippon 1150 Pro, PX 5.5 against the AP2 with PX 5.5. Of all versions, I prefer the AP2/PX5.5. It feels soft and solid and feels less harsh on mishits than the MP57.

I have to agree with you 100%.

[aplomb]

I demoed the AP2 today. I'll keep this as brief as I can while giving you an idea where I'm coming from. I have nothing against Titleist and at one time had an entire bag of Titty. I'm now addicted to the buttery Mizzy feel and play the MP60. I'm interested in the MP57 for the mushy feel with added forgiveness. Big demo day today so I've been holding off on a purchase till afterward. Hit MP57 of course and loved it, tried Pings as they have popular offerings (liked them a lot but preferred the Mizzy) Also wanted to try the AP2 and did today. I'm one that does not get along with the project X shaft. I know it's great and played with great success, but for my swing it feels harsh and dead. I'm used to the feel (and weight) of the DG S300, and the high kickpint and the way it loads/unloads works for me and the Project X does not.
Having said that the AP2 with the project X felt really good today despite the terrible feeling (for me) shaft. I'd love to try it with a DG in it, and I strongly suspect that it would feel as soft as the Mizzy and be a little more forgiving and less harsh on miss hits due to the Tungsten sole. That is saying a LOT as I didn't think I'd ever admit something felt as good as a Mizuno! It's also a very good looking iron. Similar in size and top line thickness to the MP57, so it's still a compact looking iron...a players look. (can't compare it to other Titleist offerings as I'm not familiar with them) I don't know what the tungsten sole (wight down low) would do to the trajectory for someone who hits the ball high and hard or compresses the ball really well. It may be just fine, with the shaft that doesn't suit me and the limited demo time I didn't get a feel for it. It seemed comparable to the flight of the MP60.
Titleist has a winner here, and now I have a tough choice. If I got the AP2 I'd have to order then with the DG shaft, I suspect I'd be very happy with it even as a Mizuno devotee. If you are a project X player YOU WILL LOVE THIS IRON!
If the 150.00 price difference is an issue, if you are a die hard Mizzy fan, or a Dynamic Gold player through and through and don't want to special order a set of AP2s with the DG shaft you won't be disappointed with e MP57..it's also fantastic.
I hope this helped a little.

[kevcarter]

I added this text to another comparison thread and thought I would put it here to be sure anyone with questions about the shaft offerings would see it.



Here is some great information I just received about shaft comparisons:

Background
True Temper manufactures Dynamic Gold and Rifle steel shafts in the same factory after their acquisition of Precision last year. Rifle products are stepless steel shafts and the Rifle name comes from a series of longitudinal "rifling" struts that run along the interior of the shaft and provide strength and stability. We offer Rifle, Project X and Project X Flighted in our approved shaft matrix (Rifle Light and Rifle Flighted shafts are no longer available). The stepless design of Rifle shafts anecdotally feel different than stepped Dynamic shafts as the lack of steps keep vibrations from being amplified as they move up the shaft.

Project X is a discrete length, constant weight shaft just like Dynamic Gold. "Discrete length/constant weight" means that each shaft in the set is individually manufactured to weigh the same. Constant weight shafts are typically preferred by better players for both feel and flight. Not surprisingly Dynamic Gold and Project X are the #1 and #2 shafts on the PGA Tour and within the pyramid of influence.

Standard Rifle is a descending weight shaft made off a single blank that is trimmed down to make the shorter lengths. This means the short iron shafts weigh less than the long irons.

Project X Flighted is a new descending weight product (but is made in discrete lengths) that provides for higher flight in the long irons through softer tip sections with similar trajectory control to PX in the short irons.

Project X 5.5 versus Dynamic Gold S300
PX 5.5 has similar butt frequency and dynamic flex characteristics as DGS300 when measured in the traditional manner (clamped at the butt and deflected). Both shafts typically produce a low to mid ball flight with good feel and weight feedback.

PX 5.5 is a 118g constant weight shaft versus 130g for DGS300. For some players this slight weight difference provides better feel and marginally higher ball speed.

PX 5.5 has a slightly softer tip section than DGS300 and therefore a slightly lower flex point. For some players this slight difference in the tip provides PX 5.5 with better feel and marginally higher launch. We measure flex point by comparing the tip frequency versus the butt frequency.

During the development of AP2 we extensively tested different Dynamic Gold and Project X flexes.
PX 5.5 was preferred for performance and feel over DGS300 and PX 6.0 in the new AP2 iron.

PGA Tour Use
On the PGA Tour shaft use by subflex is similar for both DG and PX. With Dynamic Gold most tour players use X100 while a smaller number use DGS400 and only a few use DGS300. For Project X most tour players use 6.5 with a smaller group using 6.0 and a few using 5.5 shafts. In terms of subflex, the most appropriate choice for a higher ball speed player is X100/6.5 while in the market S300/5.5 is best for those needing a standard S flex. For those players needing a tweener, S400/6.0 flexes work well.

In total 50% of the players on tour use Dynamic Gold steel in their irons. Project X use is 20% and growing while Rifle use is 10% and declining. The remaining 20% is a combination of lesser used shafts from True Temper, Precision, and Nippon.

Summary
The growing use of Project X on the PGA Tour, its added value market position as a premium performance shaft and the excellent test results during development make it the appropriate stock choice in AP2. The strong tour use and time tested performance of Dynamic Gold make it the appropriate stock shaft in ZB and ZM.

[drpino]

Kevin, amazingly informative post. thanks for sharing!

This post has been edited by drpino: Mar 8 2008, 09:14 PM

[Lsutiger]

I added this text to another comparison thread and thought I would put it here to be sure anyone with questions about the shaft offerings would see it.



Here is some great information I just received about shaft comparisons:

Background
True Temper manufactures Dynamic Gold and Rifle steel shafts in the same factory after their acquisition of Precision last year. Rifle products are stepless steel shafts and the Rifle name comes from a series of longitudinal "rifling" struts that run along the interior of the shaft and provide strength and stability. We offer Rifle, Project X and Project X Flighted in our approved shaft matrix (Rifle Light and Rifle Flighted shafts are no longer available). The stepless design of Rifle shafts anecdotally feel different than stepped Dynamic shafts as the lack of steps keep vibrations from being amplified as they move up the shaft.

Project X is a discrete length, constant weight shaft just like Dynamic Gold. "Discrete length/constant weight" means that each shaft in the set is individually manufactured to weigh the same. Constant weight shafts are typically preferred by better players for both feel and flight. Not surprisingly Dynamic Gold and Project X are the #1 and #2 shafts on the PGA Tour and within the pyramid of influence.

Standard Rifle is a descending weight shaft made off a single blank that is trimmed down to make the shorter lengths. This means the short iron shafts weigh less than the long irons.

Project X Flighted is a new descending weight product (but is made in discrete lengths) that provides for higher flight in the long irons through softer tip sections with similar trajectory control to PX in the short irons.

Project X 5.5 versus Dynamic Gold S300
PX 5.5 has similar butt frequency and dynamic flex characteristics as DGS300 when measured in the traditional manner (clamped at the butt and deflected). Both shafts typically produce a low to mid ball flight with good feel and weight feedback.

PX 5.5 is a 118g constant weight shaft versus 130g for DGS300. For some players this slight weight difference provides better feel and marginally higher ball speed.

PX 5.5 has a slightly softer tip section than DGS300 and therefore a slightly lower flex point. For some players this slight difference in the tip provides PX 5.5 with better feel and marginally higher launch. We measure flex point by comparing the tip frequency versus the butt frequency.

During the development of AP2 we extensively tested different Dynamic Gold and Project X flexes.
PX 5.5 was preferred for performance and feel over DGS300 and PX 6.0 in the new AP2 iron.

PGA Tour Use
On the PGA Tour shaft use by subflex is similar for both DG and PX. With Dynamic Gold most tour players use X100 while a smaller number use DGS400 and only a few use DGS300. For Project X most tour players use 6.5 with a smaller group using 6.0 and a few using 5.5 shafts. In terms of subflex, the most appropriate choice for a higher ball speed player is X100/6.5 while in the market S300/5.5 is best for those needing a standard S flex. For those players needing a tweener, S400/6.0 flexes work well.

In total 50% of the players on tour use Dynamic Gold steel in their irons. Project X use is 20% and growing while Rifle use is 10% and declining. The remaining 20% is a combination of lesser used shafts from True Temper, Precision, and Nippon.

Summary
The growing use of Project X on the PGA Tour, its added value market position as a premium performance shaft and the excellent test results during development make it the appropriate stock choice in AP2. The strong tour use and time tested performance of Dynamic Gold make it the appropriate stock shaft in ZB and ZM.

Thanks for the info. Kevin. Awesome.

[kevcarter]

You are very welcome guys. Sent to me by my Titleist rep today and I learned a LOT from it myself!

Kevin

[spacedust]

most irons nowadays are built with quality- and performance has more to do with the individual than the equipment itself. buy what you will think bring you most joy. it all comes down to personal preference, because its something that you alone will own and use.

i bought the mp 57, couple of weeks ago. have played about 7 rounds or so. I can't express how much i enjoy playing and owning these clubs. i cut and regripped them the day the irons were delivered, prefererred a little smaller grip than stock. bought neoprene headcovers to protect them.
everytime i pull them out the bag, it makes me smile. They look good and feel great. these babies sit in my living room every night.

here are some pics i took before and after a quick wet wipe down and wd 40 rub.
[attachment=225926:DSC00916.JPG]
[attachment=225925:DSC00918.JPG]
[attachment=225924:DSC00915.JPG]
[attachment=225927:DSC00917.JPG]
[attachment=225928:DSC00926.JPG]

NICE HEADCOVERS!!!!!! where did u get them????????????????

yeah.. i like them... neoprene with a little velcro flap in the back for easy secure/removal.

its 9 bucks at my local academy sports store.

[spacedust]

played all day with my mp 57's today. its about my 10th round. its so much fun and feels so good.... i keep shaking my head and telling my playing partner how good it feels. I'm an 80's player.... and i can honestly say these clubs have made me a better ball striker. Its slowed down my swing and made me have a good tempo, cause i want to hit it properly. And so i hit all my clubs with a smooth tempo... from driver to wedges... more fairways and more greens. and my scores are getting lower... These clubs have made me a better golfer, and made the game even more enjoyable. these clubs are one of the best investments i've ever made... cost/fun ratio.... i don't see how mizuno could improve on these....

[aplomb]

Thanks Kevin for the great post! Very informative.

I'll paste some of it here:
"Project X 5.5 versus Dynamic Gold S300
PX 5.5 has similar butt frequency and dynamic flex characteristics as DGS300 when measured in the traditional manner (clamped at the butt and deflected). Both shafts typically produce a low to mid ball flight with good feel and weight feedback."

I find it interesting that these two shafts are described in some ways as similar, but some (including myself) find they feel very different. I'm not by any means disputing the info/data, just commenting on how two similar items on paper can feel so different to some. Guess that's why it's so important to demo, demo, demo.

Thanks again!

[BogeysBGone]

I emma big estupid. :-)

Robb

[ibjc0227]

I am thinking about these two as well. What makes you think the AP2 will be more forgiving?

The MP57 has more offset and (at least from looking at the pictures) a slightly bigger clubface.

On the other hand, the AP2 has slightly more bounce.

Could you post a picture that helps to compare the width of the sole?

Does anyone know what the swingweight on the MP 57 with the PX shaft is?

D1.5 on mine

[texcrom]

I am thinking about these two as well. What makes you think the AP2 will be more forgiving?

The MP57 has more offset and (at least from looking at the pictures) a slightly bigger clubface.

On the other hand, the AP2 has slightly more bounce.

Could you post a picture that helps to compare the width of the sole?

Does anyone know what the swingweight on the MP 57 with the PX shaft is?

D1.5 on mine

I finally received my MP-57's with PX 6.0, and when I swingweighted them they were D-4 across the board, except for the PW which was D-5. I have owned many sets of Mizuno's, and this is the first set that has been this tight and right on the mark with swingweight.

Also, thanks to Kevin for the great info on Dynamic Gold vs. Project X. I ordered PX 6.0 as I felt the weight and flex would match up better with S-400, and his info confirms that assumption.

[golfer98]

most irons nowadays are built with quality- and performance has more to do with the individual than the equipment itself. buy what you will think bring you most joy. it all comes down to personal preference, because its something that you alone will own and use.

i bought the mp 57, couple of weeks ago. have played about 7 rounds or so. I can't express how much i enjoy playing and owning these clubs. i cut and regripped them the day the irons were delivered, prefererred a little smaller grip than stock. bought neoprene headcovers to protect them.
everytime i pull them out the bag, it makes me smile. They look good and feel great. these babies sit in my living room every night.

here are some pics i took before and after a quick wet wipe down and wd 40 rub.
[attachment=225926:DSC00916.JPG]
[attachment=225925:DSC00918.JPG]
[attachment=225924:DSC00915.JPG]
[attachment=225927:DSC00917.JPG]
[attachment=225928:DSC00926.JPG]

NICE HEADCOVERS!!!!!! where did u get them????????????????

yeah.. i like them... neoprene with a little velcro flap in the back for easy secure/removal.

its 9 bucks at my local academy sports store.

yikes !