MP57 or titleist AP2 Rating Options

[ChiGolf]

When you try the MP 52 you will see it's no comparison. The 52 has a smaller better looking head with more effective hitting area, is a one piece Forged iron not 3 pieces welded together, and the 52's feel much better IMO.

Ooooh. You've hit them? I cannot wait to hit those irons and try them out. Its either that or the MP62's.

And I generally agree with the consensus on here saying the AP2's are a bit more forgiving than the MP57's. The AP2's have a springy feel off the clubhead - not bad, but I'm used to the soft feel of the Mizunos.
And I love my mizzies, I've committed to them for a whole season (before I even think of switching them out), and being in California weather --- that's one long season!

[sidewinder]

And I generally agree with the consensus on here saying the AP2's are a bit more forgiving than the MP57's. The AP2's have a springy feel off the clubhead - not bad, but I'm used to the soft feel of the Mizunos.

I've hit both the the MP-57 and AP2 irons extensively. For many months my plan was to replace my MX-25 irons with MP-57 irons. I was a Mizuno guy after all. I was all set to order the MP-57 irons with PX 5.5 shafts when someone suggested I hit the AP2 irons before I committed. I am very glad I did!

The AP2 irons offered all the playability of the MP-57 irons with more forgiveness and, for me, better ball flight and distance. The AP2 irons provided the same amount of feedback on off center hits but with less harshness. Both irons are forged out of soft 1025 mild carbon steel and both feel buttery soft on perfect strikes.

I much prefer the AP2 irons to the MP-57 irons and I don't see how the MP-52 irons are going to be significantly different than the MP-60 or MP-57. The Mizuno technology has not changed. Titleist used multiple materials to make a more advance iron. They are more expensive too but that makes sense.

I am sure the MP-52 irons, like the MP-60 and MP-57 irons before them, will be great. But there is nothing substantially new that would cause there to be a new level of performance.

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[buykrux]

so heres my virdict
i had 57s for 3 weeks, traded them for a brand new in the box set of ap2s with px5.5
57s had s300s

lets look before the 57s, i was hitting ta2s, 150 pw, 210 5 iron
these also had s300s
now my 57s, my 150 yard club was a 7iron, and a 3 iron would be lucky to get past the 200 yard marker
i noticed with the 57s they felt great when hit good but the ball seemed to die off the clubface and they had extremely high ballflight
very easy to work but as you got down to the lower irons, the heads began to look more like shovels and i didnt like the bounce on the pw and 9 iron
they also had a very different sound to them
the low irons were also 2* weaker than my ap2s
these also either had a nice littler draw or a block left about 10 feet

the ap2s as i mentioned before have px5.5s
never been a fan of px's but what can you do
i hit these also very high, but not like the mizunos, more like my old clevelands
they are 1/4 inch longer than the mizuno out of the factory also
just as easy to work the ball as the 57s, similar feel as well but the ap2s feel more solid to me
90% of shots have a small draw on them
they bite like crazy and look nicer at address in the low irons
these are much longer than the mizunos as well
9iron is 150 and 4 iron is 210

all in all, i would never buy mizuno products ever again, after dealing with the poor craftsmanship of their blue rage driver and going threw 3 in 2 weeks and they limited distance of the 57s
if you dont mind hitting more club then id say go with the 57s
in my opinion the ap2s are without a doubt a much better iron than the 57s

[seriousperforman...]

And I generally agree with the consensus on here saying the AP2's are a bit more forgiving than the MP57's. The AP2's have a springy feel off the clubhead - not bad, but I'm used to the soft feel of the Mizunos.

I've hit both the the MP-57 and AP2 irons extensively. For many months my plan was to replace my MX-25 irons with MP-57 irons. I was a Mizuno guy after all. I was all set to order the MP-57 irons with PX 5.5 shafts when someone suggested I hit the AP2 irons before I committed. I am very glad I did!

The AP2 irons offered all the playability of the MP-57 irons with more forgiveness and, for me, better ball flight and distance. The AP2 irons provided the same amount of feedback on off center hits but with less harshness. Both irons are forged out of soft 1025 mild carbon steel and both feel buttery soft on perfect strikes.

I much prefer the AP2 irons to the MP-57 irons and I don't see how the MP-52 irons are going to be significantly different than the MP-60 or MP-57. The Mizuno technology has not changed. Titleist used multiple materials to make a more advance iron. They are more expensive too but that makes sense.

I am sure the MP-52 irons, like the MP-60 and MP-57 irons before them, will be great. But there is nothing substantially new that would cause there to be a new level of performance.

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Scott, I know you are fairly knowledgeable but you may want to wait to see and hit the 52 before you make a comment like the last one. The new dual muscle tech gives the 52 a lot more feel than the rubber piece in the AP2. The dual pocket cavity alows Mizuno to move 14 grams of weight around the head and give the 52 a more effective hitting area than the AP2. The 52 is forged from 1025 Carbon and as far as I know the AP2 is "forged" stainless steel.

[TeeTime907]

And I generally agree with the consensus on here saying the AP2's are a bit more forgiving than the MP57's. The AP2's have a springy feel off the clubhead - not bad, but I'm used to the soft feel of the Mizunos.

I've hit both the the MP-57 and AP2 irons extensively. For many months my plan was to replace my MX-25 irons with MP-57 irons. I was a Mizuno guy after all. I was all set to order the MP-57 irons with PX 5.5 shafts when someone suggested I hit the AP2 irons before I committed. I am very glad I did!

The AP2 irons offered all the playability of the MP-57 irons with more forgiveness and, for me, better ball flight and distance. The AP2 irons provided the same amount of feedback on off center hits but with less harshness. Both irons are forged out of soft 1025 mild carbon steel and both feel buttery soft on perfect strikes.

I much prefer the AP2 irons to the MP-57 irons and I don't see how the MP-52 irons are going to be significantly different than the MP-60 or MP-57. The Mizuno technology has not changed. Titleist used multiple materials to make a more advance iron. They are more expensive too but that makes sense.

I am sure the MP-52 irons, like the MP-60 and MP-57 irons before them, will be great. But there is nothing substantially new that would cause there to be a new level of performance.

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Scott, I know you are fairly knowledgeable but you may want to wait to see and hit the 52 before you make a comment like the last one. The new dual muscle tech gives the 52 a lot more feel than the rubber piece in the AP2. The dual pocket cavity alows Mizuno to move 14 grams of weight around the head and give the 52 a more effective hitting area than the AP2. The 52 is forged from 1025 Carbon and as far as I know the AP2 is "forged" stainless steel.

AP2 are not just Stainless steel. The steel in them are Forged 1025 carbon. If you don't believe me check the Titleist specifications.

[sidewinder]

Scott, I know you are fairly knowledgeable but you may want to wait to see and hit the 52 before you make a comment like the last one. The new dual muscle tech gives the 52 a lot more feel than the rubber piece in the AP2. The dual pocket cavity alows Mizuno to move 14 grams of weight around the head and give the 52 a more effective hitting area than the AP2. The 52 is forged from 1025 Carbon and as far as I know the AP2 is "forged" stainless steel.

seriousperformance,

Well, what you know about the AP2 is wrong then. Go to the Titleist web site and read about the AP2 and you will find they are a multi-material design with the main body forged out of 1025 carbon steel.

The "Dual Muscle" is nothing more than a marketing term. One "Muscle" is in the cavity and the other is the bottom of the iron. In other words, just another way of forming a cavity back. The milled pocket cavity in the longer irons lets Mizuno move the cg lower and deeper. The MP-52 fits between the MP-57 and the MX line.

I don't know how you can say that the MP-52 has a more effective hitting area or has a lot more feel. Titleist is able move more weight around using a dual cavity design with a lower box structure (a different way to do what the milled pocket cavity does). The box structure is formed with a tungsten nickel back/sole piece. There is a central cross member which provides rigidity just like the "Muscle" in the cavity of the MP-52. The elastomer insert along with the aluminum cavity plate and tungsten nickel back/sole piece dampen vibration and tune the sound of the iron.

Mizuno, using a one piece forging, is limited in what they can do to move weight around and tune the feel and sound of the iron. You can only do so much using the same playbook. That's why Titleist decided to think out of the box and come out with a whole new design using multiple materials in a multi-piece head.

Look, the MP-52 is an MP-style (players) head with some of the forgiveness features found in the MX line. But lets not get carried away with what the MP-52 is. Again, I don't see how the MP-52 irons are going to be significantly different than the MP-60 or MP-57. The Mizuno technology has not changed. Titleist used multiple materials to make a more advance iron. There is nothing substantially new that would cause there to be a new level of performance.

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[JackB1]

I would like to re-open this comparison to anyone who has hit both the AP2 & the MP57. What did you like better and why?
The consensus seems to be that they are VERY similar in performance, but the AP2 hits a bit higher and is a bit more forgiving, while the MP57 has a sweeter feel and is slightly less forgiving. True? False? What did you find?

[Wah]

I played the MP-57 PX5.5 last year. This season, I am playing the AP2 DGSL S300. I've played about 5 rounds with the AP2s. For my swing, the AP2s are noticeably more forgiving... I am absolutely LOVING my 3-iron (for once in my life). Ball flight is higher, but I am hitting about a 1/2 club longer. My only complaint about the titleist is that the ball flight is a little too high (even with the DGSL, which is supposed to be a lower launching shaft.) Anyways, I am glad I switched. I think I am hitting my irons a little better.

[caad4rep]

I would like to re-open this comparison to anyone who has hit both the AP2 & the MP57. What did you like better and why?
The consensus seems to be that they are VERY similar in performance, but the AP2 hits a bit higher and is a bit more forgiving, while the MP57 has a sweeter feel and is slightly less forgiving. True? False? What did you find?

I demoed them both quite extensively last Sept. What you say above is exactly what I found. The perrformance was identical. I also played the MP-52's, X-Forged, CG's and CB Pro's. After trying all of these, on the course, I can honestly say that if you put a good swing on them you will get the same performance. Feel, sound, ball flight, etc... may be different but you can score with any of the good irons that are out today. For me it came down to feel and looks, the Titleist's just looked a bit too busy to me. Either way you're getting a great set of irons and will be able to hit the greens.

[sdiver68]

I liked the MP-57's better simply on price. When 2 products are rated about the same, price becomes important to me.

I paid $675 at my local GG (3-PW) and have heard reports as low as ~$550 w/DG now that they are on closeout at GG.

AP2's closer to $900 local.

Online MP-57's can be found new and mint used for similar prices, and online AP2's found for less of a spread in price. I had several hundred in GG certs to use so I went local.

Now, had someone proven to me the AP2's would cut my HCP in 1/2, I would have paid $2000 for them

This post has been edited by sdiver68: Apr 4 2009, 08:42 AM

[hardten]

If anybody ever came up with a set of irons the cut guy's HC in half they would spend the rest of thier lives on easy street. That said I did take my HC from 18 to 8 about 20 years ago when I went to the then new original Hogan Edge. But I think joining a CC and learning to play the right way,playing 3-5 days a week, and playing in much more competitive situations with good players was what contributed to the learning curve. Unfortunately I never progressed from there,LOL.

[hardten]

This year I traded for some AP2s and it's my first experience with PX shafts (5.5). They seem ok and have a nice feel. I hit any iron high so I can,t do much about that and reshafting wouldn,t do enough to justify cost to keep the ball down a bit. I did play DNG SL S300 in my Xtours years ago so could you tell my if you noticed any major difference between the SLs and PX. Thanks.

[gmbtempe]

I only can comment on the MP-57's but these clubs are awesome for the player who moves from GI irons to a less offset players iron. Of course if I keep improving I can see MP-67's in my future!

[clevelandgolf00]

mp 57 for me, less offset and better feel by a mile. Plus the ap2's launch it a mile in the air, I already launch the ball plenty high with my mp 67 short irons, when i hit my friends cavity short irons they go way to high and ballon.