MP57 or titleist AP2 Rating Options

[Philfest]

You also need to look at the final price - you get almost no discounts on e.g. Ping irons, while it is pretty easy to get 20% off on Titleist.

I heard Titleist adopted Ping's pricing philosophy. I have talked to a few golfshops here in San Diego and they all said no discounting is allowed on 2008 models. I would buy them in a heartbeat for $800.00. Is everyone finding this to be true?

Yep.... That's what I was told.

[Larry Swing]

You also need to look at the final price - you get almost no discounts on e.g. Ping irons, while it is pretty easy to get 20% off on Titleist.

I heard Titleist adopted Ping's pricing philosophy. I have talked to a few golfshops here in San Diego and they all said no discounting is allowed on 2008 models. I would buy them in a heartbeat for $800.00. Is everyone finding this to be true?

Must be a US issue - I got 20% off for a custom fitted set here in Europe.

This post has been edited by Larry Swing: Mar 19 2008, 04:53 PM

[MCCA]

Well i wasn't in the market for new irons this year but my buddy that owns a golf store just got me a set of AP 2's I must say I'm very impressed, the feel in comparison to my 735's not even close. I have no idea what it is about that tungsten but boy o boy did Titleist get it right. WOW

[carogers1]

I have hit both and love both. I am in the same dilemma over choosing my next set. One of the pro's is that the AP2's come with PX shafts no additional cost, and the Mizzy's is a $50 upcharge. I am personally leaning towards the Titleist. They both are very similar and I think it will come down to a personal decision of looks. Good Luck.

[sidewinder]

hit them...went with 57's....cleaner looking, AP2's not that remarkable IMO

I have hit both, with the same shafts, quite a lot recently trying to decide which I want. My opinion is that the MP-57's are not that remarkable while the AP2's are awesome.

The AP2's look better at address while the MP-57's look better in the bag. Look at address is much more important to me....
The AP2's are slightly more forgiving.
Both sound and feel great on solid hits but the AP2's feel better on hits out towards the toe and higher on the face with less distance and direction penalties.
Ball workability is equal.
The AP2 have a slightly lower ball flight which I prefer.

What I have found is that the AP2 irons offer everything a great player's iron offers with a little extra forgiveness. That forgiveness does not compromise the ability to hit all the shots.

I am a big Mizuno fan and actually don't like Titleist all that much. But I am not going to let that get in the way making the right iron choice. Plain and simple the AP2 irons are best irons I have ever hit.

Scott

[The Ultimate Spi...]

hit them...went with 57's....cleaner looking, AP2's not that remarkable IMO

I have hit both, with the same shafts, quite a lot recently trying to decide which I want. My opinion is that the MP-57's are not that remarkable while the AP2's are awesome.

The AP2's look better at address while the MP-57's look better in the bag. Look at address is much more important to me....
The AP2's are slightly more forgiving.
Both sound and feel great on solid hits but the AP2's feel better on hits out towards the toe and higher on the face with less distance and direction penalties.
Ball workability is equal.
The AP2 have a slightly lower ball flight which I prefer.

What I have found is that the AP2 irons offer everything a great player's iron offers with a little extra forgiveness. That forgiveness does not compromise the ability to hit all the shots.

I am a big Mizuno fan and actually don't like Titleist all that much. But I am not going to let that get in the way making the right iron choice. Plain and simple the AP2 irons are best irons I have ever hit.

Scott

Ah Scott, we tango again

To me the AP2's and the 57's looked almost identical at address. I'm curious to the differences you see in them.

I agree with you on the looks in the bag.

I think if you have a pretty consistent swing that you aren’t going to notice a different between the AP2's and the 57's on miss hits(as was my case) With a horrible swing, both clubs will punish you

Both were workable, neither outperformed the other...I'll agree there too.

It's amazing that the Mizuno's are just as soft feeling as the AP2's even though they don't have any cushion inserts. I'll agree that the AP2's feel better on mis hits, but that’s not necessarily what I want. As far as them producing far better results...I don't think they did.

Funny thing, I actually liked the 57 ball flight more than I did the AP2.

I'm actually the opposite from you, I am a huge Titleist fan. However I couldn't justify getting the AP2's when the 57's performed on par with them, were cheaper, and looked better.

To each his own I suppose

This post has been edited by The Ultimate Spin: Mar 20 2008, 01:16 PM

[greyman09]

I have had both. The mp-57 I got right when they came out. I was not crazy about them and sold them to a friend. I only have a little bit of time so far with the AP2 but I like them better than the MP57. I will give more of a review after I get some more time with them this weekend.

[kongo]

I haven't hit the AP2's, since they didn't have them in stock when I got fitted for my MP-57's, but I was able to get 5-PW (I use hybrids for 3i and 4i) in Rifle X 5.5 with Winn Xi7 grips custom made to my specs, with warranty, made directly from the Mizuno factory, for $571 all inclusive. (I can help you get this deal, too, just PM me!)

To me, there would have to be a significant improvement in the AP2s over the MP-57's for me to justify the extra money. But so far, browsing through the things that have been written here, I don't see that it's a significant improvement over the MP-57's.

But then again, I haven't hit the AP2s. But I do love the look of those clubs.

David.

[vhawk12]

The pics posted show almost no difference between these two at address, so where's the difference in your mind?

[sidewinder]

The pics posted show almost no difference between these two at address, so where's the difference in your mind?

The offset difference is noticeable.....the AP2 irons have less offset and that looks better to my eye. I like the look of the topline on the AP2 better too. I am not sure why....

Scott

[The Ultimate Spi...]

The pics posted show almost no difference between these two at address, so where's the difference in your mind?

The offset difference is noticeable.....the AP2 irons have less offset and that looks better to my eye. I like the look of the topline on the AP2 better too. I am not sure why....

Scott

you must have a keener eye than i.... get it?

[Philfest]

I was finally able to pick mine up today. They are awesome. I was also able to trade-in my 4-PW Fusions for $575. My set is 5I thru GW, with the stock 5.5's and stock grips.

There's nothing I would change about them, thus far. Usually I go right into new grips and bending them, etc etc... But, these are perfect so far....

Phil

[jwolfe910]

I started this post a long time ago. I did get the mp 57 about a month and a half ago. But on Monday I finally seen and hit the Ap2's. They are the best irons I've ever hit. Of course I ordered a set on Tuesday. Not to take anything away from the mp 57's as they are just about as good as a club. The Ap2's are a little more forgiving, and they have a great feel to them. But I'm a Titleist guy. There really is not much difference between these clubs. Both are great. But like I said I'm a Titleist guy. Which ever club you choose you can't good wrong. I personally like Titleist.

[joneser]

The pics posted show almost no difference between these two at address, so where's the difference in your mind?

Regardless of the pictures, in person there are differences at address. The heads on the AP2s are smaller than the 57s especially in the shorter irons. Just pick up 3 irons (PW, 6i, 3i) from each set and look at them at the address position and you will see differences. I am not saying one is better than the other but the shape of the heads are different, the top lines are different, and the offset is different. I am amazed that someone could say they can't tell them apart.

This post has been edited by joneser: Mar 20 2008, 11:12 PM

[moorejr]

The pics posted show almost no difference between these two at address, so where's the difference in your mind?

Regardless of the pictures, in person there are differences at address. The heads on the AP2s are smaller than the 57s especially in the shorter irons. Just pick up 3 irons from each set and look at them at the address position and you will see differences. I am not saying one is better than the other but the shape of the heads are different, the top lines are different, and the offset is different. I am amazed that someone could say they can't tell them apart.

Agreed. I had the MP57's which performed very well. I put them head to head with the AP2's. They both are the best irons out in my opinion. However, the AP2's are more compact and that fits my eye better at address. The AP2's are keepers.

[texcrom]

I was finally able to pick mine up today. They are awesome. I was also able to trade-in my 4-PW Fusions for $575. My set is 5I thru GW, with the stock 5.5's and stock grips.

There's nothing I would change about them, thus far. Usually I go right into new grips and bending them, etc etc... But, these are perfect so far....

Phil

Phil:

Now don't be cutting the toe off and looking for any brass or lead!!!

Just kidding....

[valmario]

^^^hahaha, not this thread too!

[duff]

I was finally able to pick mine up today. They are awesome. I was also able to trade-in my 4-PW Fusions for $575. My set is 5I thru GW, with the stock 5.5's and stock grips.

There's nothing I would change about them, thus far. Usually I go right into new grips and bending them, etc etc... But, these are perfect so far....

Phil

Congratulations on the new irons!

As soon as you cut one of the heads in half, please let us know if you find brass or lead in the toe.

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Thanks in advance for the review.

[vhawk12]

smaller head and yet more forgiving? Counter-intuitive no?

[texcrom]

smaller head and yet more forgiving? Counter-intuitive no?

But oddly enough...accurate!

[joneser]

smaller head and yet more forgiving? Counter-intuitive no?

While size matters (did I just say that).....what matters more is weight distribution. I can't personally say if the AP2s are more forgiving but just because they are smaller does not mean they are not more forgiving.

[sidewinder]

smaller head and yet more forgiving? Counter-intuitive no?

Now you all see why Titleist used multiple materials and new (for them) manufacturing techniques to make these irons. All you cry babies that complain about tradition going by the way side need to wake up!

Scott

[tsidog]

i know alot of pro's are using ap2 already...are there any tour pro's using mp57s?

[REDX63]

I have only hit the 6 iron PX5.5 in both models. The AP2 is by far the better club than the AP1. I have been playing for 30plus years and I have been mostly a Titleist tour blade fan. I have play Mizuno's, Callaways ( I just bought a set of Callaway X-Forged with PX 6.0 flighted two months ago and I love the Idea of a flighted iron and flighted shaft but the 6.0's seem to be just a little to stiff for me) The Titleist AP2 is is the best feeling golf club I have ever hit. To me the are very workable with a great feel. Off center hits feel okay very minimal distance is lost. I ordered a set yesterday and I can't wait to get them. I just hope I can pluck enough cash from my gambling buddies to offset buying a seconded set of irons in three months but I'll tell you I just had to have them. PS: does anyone know if someone is looking for a nice set of Callaway X-Forged 6.0 flighted.

[titleistpro2]

AP2's are headed my way as well. Softstepped PX 6.5 shafts. I'm stoked. Haven't been this excited about irons for a while. Finally a forgiving (apples to apples) players looking club without loads of offset. I think my j33 cb's might finally get beat out....on that topic...any of you AP2'ers out there come from the bridgestones have any insight?

[wreyes]

I used to own a set of the MP-57s... I liked them, but there was nothing that was extraordinary about them, and they did not have a soft feel like the MP-32s. I was told that the forging process and metal was the same in all mizuno forged irons, so I don't know why this was the case.

Anyway, I am now a proud owner of AP-2s, and it performs exactly how I wanted the MP-57s to perform. I am neutral regarding the whole Titleist vs. Mizuno debate, as I only buy irons from these two manufacturers and respect both equally, but the technology in the AP-2s seem to be very effective. I would never say a bad word about the Mizunos, but the Titleists work better for me.

This post has been edited by wreyes: Apr 8 2008, 12:39 PM

[MN Golfer Guy]

I wish I would have waited until the AP2's hit MN before I purchased my MP-57's. It's interesting to me that the Golf Magazine Club Test 2008 rated the 57's higher than the AP2's (only half star difference though). What was suprising to me is that Cobra (Pro-CB) took top honors in the better play category.

[br61]

I wish I would have waited until the AP2's hit MN before I purchased my MP-57's. It's interesting to me that the Golf Magazine Club Test 2008 rated the 57's higher than the AP2's (only half star difference though). What was suprising to me is that Cobra (Pro-CB) took top honors in the better play category.

I've had my Cobra Pro CB's since mid February. Tried to sell it at first as I had couple other sets coming including AP2's which did not knock Cobras out. I'm glad that they didn't sell as my following rounds has been good with those Cobra Pro CB's so they are staying in my bag. I like them much better than MP57's and AP2's for myself. AP2 and MP57 still are very nice sets and will be suitable for many other golfers.

While demoing clubs, give Cobra Pro CB's a tryout along with AP2 and MP57's.

This post has been edited by br61: Apr 9 2008, 07:35 AM

[freddiec]

I hit the AP's and really liked them. What I really find impressive about the AP2 is what Titleist did with the offset. Very little off set, almost right in line with the MP32s, except for the 3 and 4 iron, where the offset on the 3 and 4 are between the MP60s and MP57s. Very smart. A great looking cavity back forged iron, big sweet spot and very little off set. I think I'd be tempted to pull the trigger on the AP's based on visual looks alone and the fact that the APs have not much offset. Humm.......

This post has been edited by freddiec: Apr 9 2008, 08:11 AM

[hmx3]

A comparison between AP 2 and MP 57 is IMO only a question of personal preference. But without doubt the MP 57 has a wonderful
classic look, the AP 2 looks pretty ugly and cheap.

[sidewinder]

A comparison between AP 2 and MP 57 is IMO only a question of personal preference. But without doubt the MP 57 has a wonderful
classic look, the AP 2 looks pretty ugly and cheap.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....but the AP2 irons are not cheap looking. They are made using quality materials and feel and look solid. You think they look cheap because you are a purist and don't like the multi-material design.

Scott

[dff22]

Have 735's with flighted 5.5 rifles (not PX). I was never a fan of project x. Seemed to stiff for me to load. Have no problems with the current setup. Am thinking of ordering AP2's with regular Rifle 5.5's. Thoughts on playing characteristics of the AP2's with regular rifles??

btw my swing speed with a 6 i is around 85 mph

This post has been edited by dff22: Apr 15 2008, 03:06 PM

[ballfish]

Here is my comment after playing MP 57 for 4 month. I love this irons and I told everyone that I never hit a better iron before. I love the feeling and they look very nice in the bag.
I am a big Mizuno Fan ...... but last week I had a titleist fitting with my Team and I was very surprised how the AP 2`s are performing.

These clubs are outstanding !!! They look great at adress and feeling is very nice too.

Finally I would say:

design: MP 57 wins
feeling: even
forgivness: AP 2 wins
ballflight: AP 2 wins
playabillity: Ap 2 wins

so I hate a little bit to say ...... I will buy my first Titleist irons .....

next week they are in my bag ....

if someone want to buy my MP 57 ......

[ericld]

^^^^^ I completely agree with ballfish's post directly above!!!

My country club has access to these demo sets...titleist AP2, AP1 and all Mizuno varieties.

I played the MP-57's for the last 2 weeks and then the AP2 for the last five days. Maybe 4 rounds of 18 and three 9's.

The AP2's are more forgiving, and I don't mean just a little. The Titleist AP2's do not suffer the distance loss on off-center hits like the MP-57's can. The feel of the AP2's is far more solid on every shot, where the MP's can rattle your bones if you miss one.

This wasn't something I had to hit over and over to test. The difference was apparent right away, but I continued to play both and it's completely obvious.

It's like the difference between a old wilson blade and a callaway X-20. NIGHT AND DAY.

I will go to the grave on this one

This post has been edited by ericld: Apr 25 2008, 09:15 AM

[kevcarter]

^^^^^ I completely agree with ballfish's post directly above!!!

My country club has access to these demo sets...titleist AP2, AP1 and all Mizuno varieties.

I played the MP-57's for the last 2 weeks and then the AP2 for the last five days. Maybe 4 rounds of 18 and three 9's.

The AP2's are more forgiving, and I don't mean just a little. The Titleist AP2's do not suffer the distance loss on off-center hits like the MP-57's can. The feel of the AP2's is far more solid on every shot, where the MP's can rattle your bones if you miss one.

This wasn't something I had to hit over and over to test. The difference was apparent right away, but I continued to play both and it's completely obvious.

It's like the difference between a old wilson blade and a callaway X-20. NIGHT AND DAY.

I will go to the grave on this one

Wow Eric, I know you are your own man and don't give two sh**s what anyone else thinks of equipment. Your post speaks VOLUMES to me! I hope you like them as much as I do, and as much as ALL the guys I have sold them to!

Good luck,
Kevin

[hmx3]

It´s really funny for me to read this posts about the difference between AP 2 and MP 57. Remember both are high end Players clubs
and for a player IMO most important is to manipulate shots. But many posts are about forgiveness esp. are after hitting
on demo day or in a net. The quality of an iron will only be shown in tournements under pressure and both are a little forgiving, but
the MP 57 have more Player´s qualities.

[kevcarter]

It´s really funny for me to read this posts about the difference between AP 2 and MP 57. Remember both are high end Players clubs
and for a player IMO most important is to manipulate shots. But many posts are about forgiveness esp. are after hitting
on demo day or in a net. The quality of an iron will only be shown in tournements under pressure and both are a little forgiving, but
the MP 57 have more Player´s qualities.

Adam Scott already used the AP2s to shoot 63 in a tour event. Does that count?

Kevin

[hmx3]

Are you Adam Scott???

[kevcarter]

Are you Adam Scott???

Great comeback. Why would you want to start taking it personally, I didn't say anything negative about Mizuno, nor would I. In your eyes, am I not allowed to make a positive comment about AP2?

Kevin

[rjurkowski]

Careful Kevin, you've upset the Zunies. They're almost as cult-like in their belief and devotion to Mizuno irons as the Scientologists are to their "religion."