MP57 or titleist AP2 Rating Options

[kevcarter]

I am thinking about these two as well. What makes you think the AP2 will be more forgiving?

The MP57 has more offset and (at least from looking at the pictures) a slightly bigger clubface.

On the other hand, the AP2 has slightly more bounce.

Could you post a picture that helps to compare the width of the sole?

Does anyone know what the swingweight on the MP 57 with the PX shaft is?

D1.5 on mine

I finally received my MP-57's with PX 6.0, and when I swingweighted them they were D-4 across the board, except for the PW which was D-5. I have owned many sets of Mizuno's, and this is the first set that has been this tight and right on the mark with swingweight.

Also, thanks to Kevin for the great info on Dynamic Gold vs. Project X. I ordered PX 6.0 as I felt the weight and flex would match up better with S-400, and his info confirms that assumption.

Hey Tex,

Sounds like an AWESOME set of irons!

I like my irons at D-4 as well. Always takes me a little longer to get them as a custom order, but I feel it's well worth the wait...

Now get out there and make some birdies with the new clubs!

Kevin

[Larry Swing]

Always the case with Titleist. They get the first runs into the shops while they are gearing up for custom production. Same time frame for every iron release I can remember. If it's any consolation, they have always started shipping a little sooner than they tell you. Under promise and over deliver...

Looks that way. I received two mails from Titelist today - in the first they stated that the earliest ship date would be mid April , but then the same source confirmed the ship date for my set for the end March . I keep my fingers crossed...

[kevcarter]

Always the case with Titleist. They get the first runs into the shops while they are gearing up for custom production. Same time frame for every iron release I can remember. If it's any consolation, they have always started shipping a little sooner than they tell you. Under promise and over deliver...

Looks that way. I received two mails from Titelist today - in the first they stated that the earliest ship date would be mid April , but then the same source confirmed the ship date for my set for the end March . I keep my fingers crossed...

Good luck Larry, I'll cross my fingers for you too!

Kevin

[ChiGolf]

I wasn't saying mp57 are the best feeling, I was trying to say any of the Mizuno forged are usually considered a top notch oem in this area and a buyer can almost count on them being fantastic. Whether it is a set of 33s, 60s, 57s, etc they are going to be good iron for the particular category they are marketed for. I rarely hear or read anything like "titleist soft" or anything like this....the point of reference when it comes to feel is usually a Mizuno iron. This holds true whether it is a blade or a cavity style forged iron. Smaller makes like Miura and others get great reviews too, but most of the time Mizuno is the yardstick. Again, I am not saying the Titleist AP series, or others, are not fine feeling irons but Mizzy has a rep that has been earned.

By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.

Funny you say that, I've always considered the MP33 to be the gold standard by which any other club is judged on feel. I had them bagged when I played a lot and could strike them well....nothing in golf equipment feels as good as a perfectly struck MP33. I don't play as often and now have MP60s which are almost as buttery. Sadly I'm looking for a even little more forgveness now as I'm not sure I'm even playing enough to strike the MP60's well enough. I'm looking at MP57s and belieeve it or not Pings.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.

I'll make a long story as short as I can. Playing MP60s and love them. I used to hit them pure most of the time. But, I'm not playing as often so I thought of something still clean looking with a little added forgiveness. The MP57 is an obvious choice for a Mizzy lover like myself and is certainly in the running but I'm open minded. The S58 and i10 has me interested. The demos at the shop have the lighter shafts (ZZ65 and AWT) which don't suit me at all. I'm so used to the S300 that I can't feel where the club is during my swing with a lighter shaft, and IMHO a light thin wall shaft doesn't feel as solid as an S300. (the standard Ping is 1/4 inch shorter than the Mizzy and has a D0 swingweight which makes matters worse, I just can't feel where the club and head are to get them released through the ball) I'm also interested in the PING durability. There is an all (or most) maunfacturer demo day locally on Saturday. Hopefully they will have the i10 and S58 with a DG shaft to try. At the very least the ZZ65 1/4 over with the cushion insert that adds 10 grams. That may give me a better head to head comparison between the Ping and Mizzy. If I just can't get along with a Ping on Saturday I'll get the MP57s which I've hit and like a lot.

Well, I've generally been playing PING for the past 2 seasons. And I've preferred the S58's over the I10s. But I just picked up a set of the MP-57's, didn't have the patience to wait for the AP2 (And I've tried to wait).
And wow - I don't know what took me so long to be converted into a Mizuno fan.

[aplomb]

I wasn't saying mp57 are the best feeling, I was trying to say any of the Mizuno forged are usually considered a top notch oem in this area and a buyer can almost count on them being fantastic. Whether it is a set of 33s, 60s, 57s, etc they are going to be good iron for the particular category they are marketed for. I rarely hear or read anything like "titleist soft" or anything like this....the point of reference when it comes to feel is usually a Mizuno iron. This holds true whether it is a blade or a cavity style forged iron. Smaller makes like Miura and others get great reviews too, but most of the time Mizuno is the yardstick. Again, I am not saying the Titleist AP series, or others, are not fine feeling irons but Mizzy has a rep that has been earned.

By the way, which Pings are you considering? I played S58s for a while and they were great. Good luck on whatever you choose.

Funny you say that, I've always considered the MP33 to be the gold standard by which any other club is judged on feel. I had them bagged when I played a lot and could strike them well....nothing in golf equipment feels as good as a perfectly struck MP33. I don't play as often and now have MP60s which are almost as buttery. Sadly I'm looking for a even little more forgveness now as I'm not sure I'm even playing enough to strike the MP60's well enough. I'm looking at MP57s and belieeve it or not Pings.
Anyway, it seems that while the MP33 has been largely forgotten the MP32 and MP60 continue to be the "yardstick" as you say in many posts as a point of reference to describe the feel of another club.

I'll make a long story as short as I can. Playing MP60s and love them. I used to hit them pure most of the time. But, I'm not playing as often so I thought of something still clean looking with a little added forgiveness. The MP57 is an obvious choice for a Mizzy lover like myself and is certainly in the running but I'm open minded. The S58 and i10 has me interested. The demos at the shop have the lighter shafts (ZZ65 and AWT) which don't suit me at all. I'm so used to the S300 that I can't feel where the club is during my swing with a lighter shaft, and IMHO a light thin wall shaft doesn't feel as solid as an S300. (the standard Ping is 1/4 inch shorter than the Mizzy and has a D0 swingweight which makes matters worse, I just can't feel where the club and head are to get them released through the ball) I'm also interested in the PING durability. There is an all (or most) maunfacturer demo day locally on Saturday. Hopefully they will have the i10 and S58 with a DG shaft to try. At the very least the ZZ65 1/4 over with the cushion insert that adds 10 grams. That may give me a better head to head comparison between the Ping and Mizzy. If I just can't get along with a Ping on Saturday I'll get the MP57s which I've hit and like a lot.

Well, I've generally been playing PING for the past 2 seasons. And I've preferred the S58's over the I10s. But I just picked up a set of the MP-57's, didn't have the patience to wait for the AP2 (And I've tried to wait).
And wow - I don't know what took me so long to be converted into a Mizuno fan.

Welcome to the land of the buttery soft Mizuno!

[Tom Lerch]

I got my MP-57's yesterday and promptly went to the range. I quickly learned that any fears I had about transitioning from a graphite X-20 to a Mizuno one piece iron were unfounded. The 57 was very forgiving on a few toe shots I hit. When I hit it pure, it felt so sweet. This club is not difficult to hit.

I have been thinking about this MP-57 vs AP-2 debate and I have concluded that they are completely different clubs in different classes. The AP-2 is wonderment of manufacturing and technology pulling together an amalgamation of forged steel, stainless, polymers, and plastic to create a world class game improvement iron. It is no doubt more forgiving than the 57 because it is a near max game improvement iron whereas the 57, as a one piece forged steel iron is closer to a players iron.

I think the better comparison is the 57 vs the Titleist Z-Blend or the Cobra CB. Both clubs are single piece, forged steel with a modest cavity and a muscle back. Sound familliar? As for the AP-2, I think the better comparision is the Mizuno MX-25, the X-20 Tour or the Cobra FP.

Let the flames begin.

[fitz8888]

I got my MP-57's yesterday and promptly went to the range. I quickly learned that any fears I had about transitioning from a graphite X-20 to a Mizuno one piece iron were unfounded. The 57 was very forgiving on a few toe shots I hit. When I hit it pure, it felt so sweet. This club is not difficult to hit.

I have been thinking about this MP-57 vs AP-2 debate and I have concluded that they are completely different clubs in different classes. The AP-2 is wonderment of manufacturing and technology pulling together an amalgamation of forged steel, stainless, polymers, and plastic to create a world class game improvement iron. It is no doubt more forgiving than the 57 because it is a near max game improvement iron whereas the 57, as a one piece forged steel iron is closer to a players iron.

I think the better comparison is the 57 vs the Titleist Z-Blend or the Cobra CB. Both clubs are single piece, forged steel with a modest cavity and a muscle back. Sound familliar? As for the AP-2, I think the better comparision is the Mizuno MX-25, the X-20 Tour or the Cobra FP.

Let the flames begin.

Hahaha,

Another blade boy anounces his induction into the forged tool of the month club. All you need to learn now is the secret handshake and your official. As an aside, the backhanded AP2 compliment was a nice touch.

[sidewinder]

I have been thinking about this MP-57 vs AP-2 debate and I have concluded that they are completely different clubs in different classes. The AP-2 is wonderment of manufacturing and technology pulling together an amalgamation of forged steel, stainless, polymers, and plastic to create a world class game improvement iron. It is no doubt more forgiving than the 57 because it is a near max game improvement iron whereas the 57, as a one piece forged steel iron is closer to a players iron.

I think the better comparison is the 57 vs the Titleist Z-Blend or the Cobra CB. Both clubs are single piece, forged steel with a modest cavity and a muscle back. Sound familliar? As for the AP-2, I think the better comparision is the Mizuno MX-25, the X-20 Tour or the Cobra FP.

Let the flames begin.

Tom,

No flames, but you have completely miss-classed the AP2. I own the MX-25 irons, have hit the MP-57 irons extensively, and have hit the AP2 irons. The AP2 irons are not at all in the same class as the MX-25 or X-20 Tour and certainly not Cobra FP.

The AP2 is a players iron. The AP2 and MP-57 offer similar forgiveness. I actually prefer the feel of the AP2 and like the look at address better. The MP-57 irons are better looking overall though.

I am a Mizuno guy but the AP2 irons are awesome. I still don't know which set I am going to buy.

Scott

[jwolfe910]

I also agree with sidewinder. Although I haven't hit the Ap2's the Mp 57's are moreforgiving I think than the X 20's tour. From talking to Titleist and looking at the Ap2's on the Titleist website they are a player's cavity back iron with some forgiviness. The Ap2's and the Mp 57's are in the same class.

[LSeca]

Tom had a point when comparing the two on how they are constructed. AP2s have much of the technology many large and more forgiving sets have. Titleist is using different materials to acheive a result for feel, sound, and feedback. The MP57 is just a classic forged iron, it doesn't need anything else.

However, I do think the AP2 set can certainly be comparied to the MP57 for playability.

[Larry Swing]

It is interesting how people who have not played the AP2 can nevertheless comment on its playability and feel vs a MP57 or other clubs just based on looking at pictures and by counting the number of materials used.

I can't do this, I have to play them to get a realistic experience. That's what I did. From that I can conlcude there is no need for flames. Tom is simply wrong with his classification of the clubs. Apart from looks, they play very similar.

[Orientblue3]

AP2's or ZB's for me (coming from 695MB's.)

[LSeca]

I don't know if you directed this comment towards me or not, but you can certainly make a good assumption about the playability of the Titleist AP2. There is plenty of info out on them and pictures can give you a good idea of what you can reasonably expect. The Titleist web site gives info on how the multi-materials work and how they are designed to acheive feel and sound characteristics.

The only way I can get a definative idea on which iron is better for me would be to actually buy a set of the Titty and swing them for a round or two on the course (not hitting indoors off mats). I would have to get them adjusted, fit and shafted just like my mp57 are as well. I don't need to do that as I am happy with the 57s. Maybe I shall try them next year, doubt it though as they just do not appeal to me...on the other hand I do like what I see and read about the new Cobra CB and the J36 line.

It is interesting how people who have not played the AP2 can nevertheless comment on its playability and feel vs a MP57 or other clubs just based on looking at pictures and by counting the number of materials used.

[Tom Lerch]

Nope. Most of you missed my point completely. I never classed these clubs on playability. If I did, I certainly would have cast the advantage to the AP-2. I am conceding that the AP-2 is more playable and I have never played it. Now, that's good marketing.

My point and my only real point is this. They are separate clubs based on their construction. It seems to me, a more accurate club from the Titleist line to compare to the MP-57 would be the Z Blend Forged. For me, I wanted a one piece iron with no shiny plastic strips or hollow cavities. That's all. Since we conceded the clubs are the same in playability, we can certainly agree they are made and look differently. I certainly don't plan on weighing in on the debate about GI vs Players clubs. In the end, buy and play the clubs you like to look at and can swing with the most confidence.

[sidewinder]

I never classed these clubs on playability...

My point and my only real point is this. They are separate clubs based on their construction.

Tom,

You said the AP2 was a "world class game improvement iron". I guess that "I never" statement was a little bit off.

I think just about everyone that cares knows the AP2 and MP-57 are made differently. If that was your point, you sure wasted a bunch of bits.

Both the AP2 and MP-57 are in the same class of irons and that is why they are being discussed in the same thread.

Scott.

[eRod v1.0]

Funny thing happened to me today. I played my 3rd round since ordering the AP2s. I was hitting the ball well with my irons. Real good actually. So, my buddy asks me, "Why are you getting new irons, again?" I reply, "I don't know, to try something new??" That got me thinking. My S58s are awesome to me. They feel "soft", and give me the right flight, distance, and forgiveness that I need. If I get new irons now, I will have to readjust/learn them. What if I don't like them as well? So, I decided to cancel my order all together. Instead, I have already scheduled a series of lessons with my Pro (#1 Teaching Pro in my state, according to GD). This will benefit me more than a new set of AP2 or MP57. I am however getting fit for a driver by my fitter/pro. Cobra L4V, Ping G10, Titleist D2 are my options, so I am pumped.

Good luck to all of you guys debating on these two sticks. Both are great!

[spacedust]

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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?

i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.

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[Leftygolfin]

The AP 2 is really a innovative iron, the MP 57 is nothing like a bit larger MP 60 with 7% more forgivness !!!-I think thats a joke and
the MP 60 were for me less forgiving in comp. to the MP 32.

I know I will piss alot of people off with this one but the AP2 is just the Nike CCI Forged from last year with a different name and more offset!

[StaffBag]

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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?

i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.

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I have to tell you. I have both the 695cb's and now the AP2's. If you think that the MP57's are the same as the CB's you are not exactly true. Also, the AP2's blow the CB's out of the water!!! So to use some logic, that makes the AP2's BETTER than the MP57's and the 695cb's.

Yes! The AP2's ARE THAT GOOD!!!

[spacedust]

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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?

i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.

 mz7i.jpg ( 121.33K ) Number of downloads: 14

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I have to tell you. I have both the 695cb's and now the AP2's. If you think that the MP57's are the same as the CB's you are not exactly true. Also, the AP2's blow the CB's out of the water!!! So to use some logic, that makes the AP2's BETTER than the MP57's and the 695cb's.

Yes! The AP2's ARE THAT GOOD!!!

something being "good" is subjective. maybe the 695 cb's and the mp 57's require more skill to hit and enjoy.

and with the ap2's, with its dual cavity and vibration damping rubber bar, is more forgiving so you don't have to hit it flush to get good results.

I think if i played with the titleist ZM forged Blades, i would probably think they were not as good as the mp 57 either. because they require more skill to get good results and probably "sting" on miss hits.


and yeah... the titleist ap2's does look like the nike cci's.

[spacedust]

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nike cci's
titleist ap's

titleist took the design and added the rubber thing and stamped their name on it?

[seriousperforman...]

 titleist_ap2_irons.jpg ( 13.68K ) Number of downloads: 14

titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?

i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.

 mz7i.jpg ( 121.33K ) Number of downloads: 14

 titilest.jpg ( 11.32K ) Number of downloads: 14

 mi.jpg ( 20.43K ) Number of downloads: 11

I have to tell you. I have both the 695cb's and now the AP2's. If you think that the MP57's are the same as the CB's you are not exactly true. Also, the AP2's blow the CB's out of the water!!! So to use some logic, that makes the AP2's BETTER than the MP57's and the 695cb's.

Yes! The AP2's ARE THAT GOOD!!!

Sorry NO Titleist iron has been or ever will be as good as a Mizuno iron.

[golf983]

The AP2's are far more playable, softer and overall a better set of irons than the CCI's

[mtex22]

I am new to the site and am looking at both these irons. I am also looking at the srixon I-701 tours. Which would you say would be the most forgiving of the three? I also have a 93-95mph swing speed with a 6 iron. Would that be a 5.0 or 5.5 project x rifle?

thanks and great forum,

Mike

[spacedust]

mizuno mp 57 if you have a consistent swing.

i bought a set couple of weeks ago... and i really enjoy them. but they will let you know if you miss hit them.


ap's look like game improvement.... i don't have any experience with them... but with all the things going on with the dual cavity, rubber thing. concensus is that its more forgiving...

basically better ball strikers would lean towards mp 57. its good looking and classy...

buy what you think you can hit, and will bring you most enjoyment....

and what you like to look at also....

just my opinion but i think the ap2 are ugly. they look just like the nike cci's.

one of my friend plays with the cci's. he uses them cause he needs the forgiveness. he wants to but cannot hit the mizuno's consistently...

if you like the mp 57 but bias towards titleist.. go with the 695 cb's they look good- comparable to mp 57.




This post has been edited by spacedust: Mar 12 2008, 03:17 AM

[BogeysBGone]

Funny thing happened to me today. I played my 3rd round since ordering the AP2s. I was hitting the ball well with my irons. Real good actually. So, my buddy asks me, "Why are you getting new irons, again?" I reply, "I don't know, to try something new??" That got me thinking. My S58s are awesome to me. They feel "soft", and give me the right flight, distance, and forgiveness that I need. If I get new irons now, I will have to readjust/learn them. What if I don't like them as well? So, I decided to cancel my order all together. Instead, I have already scheduled a series of lessons with my Pro (#1 Teaching Pro in my state, according to GD). This will benefit me more than a new set of AP2 or MP57. I am however getting fit for a driver by my fitter/pro. Cobra L4V, Ping G10, Titleist D2 are my options, so I am pumped.

Good luck to all of you guys debating on these two sticks. Both are great!

Lessons may help in the performance area...but don't discount the benefits of "new and shiny".

Robb

[Larry Swing]

I am new to the site and am looking at both these irons. I am also looking at the srixon I-701 tours. Which would you say would be the most forgiving of the three? I also have a 93-95mph swing speed with a 6 iron. Would that be a 5.0 or 5.5 project x rifle?

thanks and great forum,

Mike

Most people who have actually hit both felt that the AP2s are a bit more forgiving (I won't judge the 701s, haven't hit them).

Many tour players have switched to the AP2s, so it seems they perform pretty well, too.

At your swing speed I would go at least for 5.5. My fitter even recommend 6.0 for my 6I swing speed of 87-93 but i liked the feeling of the 5.5.

[joneser]

mizuno mp 57 if you have a consistent swing.

i bought a set couple of weeks ago... and i really enjoy them. but they will let you know if you miss hit them.


ap's look like game improvement.... i don't have any experience with them... but with all the things going on with the dual cavity, rubber thing. concensus is that its more forgiving...

basically better ball strikers would lean towards mp 57. its good looking and classy...

buy what you think you can hit, and will bring you most enjoyment....

and what you like to look at also....

just my opinion but i think the ap2 are ugly. they look just like the nike cci's.

one of my friend plays with the cci's. he uses them cause he needs the forgiveness. he wants to but cannot hit the mizuno's consistently...

if you like the mp 57 but bias towards titleist.. go with the 695 cb's they look good- comparable to mp 57.

695cbs are significantly smaller than the MP57s and I would say they are more demanding. I sold my 695s for a set of MP57s and after a few days of golf down south I am regretting selling the 695s. The 695s actually feel softer than my MP57s and they seem less clunky. The longer irons in the mp57s are easier to hit but in my opinion that is the only area that the 57s are better. I know I will be looking at the AP2s and selling my MP57s with Project X!

[spacedust]

695cbs are significantly smaller than the MP57s and I would say they are more demanding. I sold my 695s for a set of MP57s and after a few days of golf down south I am regretting selling the 695s. The 695s actually feel softer than my MP57s and they seem less clunky. The longer irons in the mp57s are easier to hit but in my opinion that is the only area that the 57s are better. I know I will be looking at the AP2s and selling my MP57s with Project X!

[/quote]


this is a description from the titleist website on the ap2 irons.
clunky is when you have cavity within cavities and elastomer bar, aluminum cavity plate, tungsten nickle cavity box, steel frame.

only thing its missing is bells and whistles, or flashing L.E.D. lights. maybe a hologram. maybe a speed meter that tells you how fast you swing. or a face that changes color and tells you where the ball hit it. cause with all thats going on the back of the iron, its surprising if you can feel anything.

good luck with the ap2's. with all that technology (thingamajig), maybe it will be a better fit for your game.


i don't see these as being in the same class as a one piece forged mp irons. zb blends, yeah.

[Ylisaju]

All these Mizunohos are just too funny!!!"No iron will feel as good as a Mizuno"!!!!.......it's like a damn cult.....

[Slugsy]

mizuno mp 57 if you have a consistent swing.

i bought a set couple of weeks ago... and i really enjoy them. but they will let you know if you miss hit them.


ap's look like game improvement.... i don't have any experience with them... but with all the things going on with the dual cavity, rubber thing. concensus is that its more forgiving...

basically better ball strikers would lean towards mp 57. its good looking and classy...

buy what you think you can hit, and will bring you most enjoyment....

and what you like to look at also....

just my opinion but i think the ap2 are ugly. they look just like the nike cci's.

one of my friend plays with the cci's. he uses them cause he needs the forgiveness. he wants to but cannot hit the mizuno's consistently...

if you like the mp 57 but bias towards titleist.. go with the 695 cb's they look good- comparable to mp 57.

695cbs are significantly smaller than the MP57s and I would say they are more demanding. I sold my 695s for a set of MP57s and after a few days of golf down south I am regretting selling the 695s. The 695s actually feel softer than my MP57s and they seem less clunky. The longer irons in the mp57s are easier to hit but in my opinion that is the only area that the 57s are better. I know I will be looking at the AP2s and selling my MP57s with Project X!

Interesting as I am currently looking at irons with the 695's being on my shortlist.

[anthony007]

I just took the plunge and ordered 3-pw ap2

if you guys want to order a custom set give discount dans a call

i needed them 2 deg flat and they are expected to ship mid April. just in time for the snow to melt!

[The Sofa King]

I have been hitting both irons extensively over the last week and personally favor the 57's. I currently play 690.cb's but also have my trusty x14 PS that I use when the swing is a bit rusty (and FYI I play off a 3 for what it is worth).

I was really expecting a lot from the AP2's (being a long time Titleist iron player but the AP2's I thought were more similar to my x14 ps in terms of looks, feel, and performance than the 690.cb, (which is not a bad thing). The AP2's were certainly more forgiving on mishits than the 57's or 690's but they also did not give me a lot of feedback in terms of feel. I play my 690's bc they will tell me exactly where I hit the ball on the clubface (my x14 do not and neither did the AP2). I think a forged players cb should give good feedback, which is why I do not play the x14's during the season when my swing is halfway decent.

Don't get me wrong the Ap2 is a great iron but it did not blow me away, especially for $1000. The 57 on the other hand feels incredible, is a lot more forgiving than I was expecting, and perhaps even 5 yards longer, which really surprised me.

I see my first set of mizunos in my future.

[joneser]

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this is a description from the titleist website on the ap2 irons.
clunky is when you have cavity within cavities and elastomer bar, aluminum cavity plate, tungsten nickle cavity box, steel frame.

only thing its missing is bells and whistles, or flashing L.E.D. lights. maybe a hologram. maybe a speed meter that tells you how fast you swing. or a face that changes color and tells you where the ball hit it. cause with all thats going on the back of the iron, its surprising if you can feel anything.

good luck with the ap2's. with all that technology (thingamajig), maybe it will be a better fit for your game.


i don't see these as being in the same class as a one piece forged mp irons. zb blends, yeah.
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Thanks for the brilliant reply to my post. I see that you are playing an FT5.....sure is alot of technology in that driver. How come your not playing a block of persimmon? Bottom line is that the 695s felt better and performed better than my mp57s have so far. I bought the MP57 with limited testing with the idea that I could get a little more forgiveness without giving up too much control or feel. I have always loved Mizuno but this particular comparison goes to Titleist (for me). As a low single digit handicap I don't have to play a game improvement iron but if the technology is there then I am not afraid to give it a shot. If they perform and feel good, they can be pink and I will play them.

[spacedust]

as golfers, there are days when we swing the club well and days we don't. and on those days, i need all the help i can get. and like you, if it helps lowers my score significantly i would play a pink one also. iron, driver, whatever. but it has to be significant. if only for a couple of strokes, i'd rather play something thats appealing.

you mentioned the mp 57 as "clunky" but yet you are considering an iron with multiple components, steel,rubber,aluminum, nickel tungsten, dual cavity. etc. etc.

its a single forged iron. i've read many reviews and descriptions of mp 57 but calling it "clunky".
makes it seem cheap.

if clunky is a decription given either to the single forged mp 57, or the multipiece, multi material busy looking ap2's.

i think the majority would describe the ap2's clunky. don't you think?

opinions, anyone?

here's a link to a topic about ap2's and the zb irons.

read what most players think about the iron's appearance.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=128294

This post has been edited by spacedust: Mar 13 2008, 11:29 PM

[StaffBag]

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titleist makes fine products no doubt.
i have not yet have the pleasure of hitting the ap2's.
but based on looks alone.... the mp 57 looks more appealing to me. the back of the ap2's looks way to busy. with the rubber bar and the lines and the pocket, makes it look more of a game improvement. just by looking at it. i dunno how it plays... it may play like a player's iron... but with all that cavity forgiveness, rubber bar, dual cavity goin on. isn't it a game improvemnt?

i think the titleist forged 695 cb of last year, is a direct equal comparison for the mp 57. even though the titleist have a little stronger loft. but i'm just talking about based on looks and probably playability. my friend has it... and i think its really nice.

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I have to tell you. I have both the 695cb's and now the AP2's. If you think that the MP57's are the same as the CB's you are not exactly true. Also, the AP2's blow the CB's out of the water!!! So to use some logic, that makes the AP2's BETTER than the MP57's and the 695cb's.

Yes! The AP2's ARE THAT GOOD!!!

Sorry NO Titleist iron has been or ever will be as good as a Mizuno iron.

Sorry to slightly disagree with you about that. I have owned at least three sets of Mizuno blades (two sets of MP-29's and one set of MP-33's. I thought as you do, until the chrome blew off two of the sets!) I have NEVER had that problem with ANY forged Titleist set of clubs!!!

The Titleist AP2's are more forgiving than absolute true blade irons, but when you start getting into the forged cavity backs, the argument starts to get muddy!

It takes a ball striker to hit blades. I was a ball striker and still am to a point. However, I am now a club pro and need the forgiveness of these new irons! (The AP2's.)

I hate to break this to you but I have a theory that soon... probably within the next 10 years... the "BLADE" head design will be gone for the most part. There will be a couple of companies who will maybe make them, but the blended sets and the cavity backs are getting better and better than ever. Forgiving and still workable. What else do you need?!

I thought the idea of golf was to shoot the lowest score?! I think you need to have the "tools" that help one get the job done, not make the game more challenging to shoot lower scores!

I also believe that even TIGER will be using either a blended set of forged cavity backs at some point in his future career! Think about it... he has dumped the 2-iron at times now in favor of a 5-wood. There has even been talk about a hybrid! If Tiger would change at some point then the true "blade" muscleback iron will be a thing of the past.

I feel that is just how the game is evolving, like it or not.

Resistance is FUTILE!!

[joneser]

as golfers, there are days when we swing the club well and days we don't. and on those days, i need all the help i can get. and like you, if it helps lowers my score significantly i would play a pink one also. iron, driver, whatever. but it has to be significant. if only for a couple of strokes, i'd rather play something thats appealing.

you mentioned the mp 57 as "clunky" but yet you are considering an iron with multiple components, steel,rubber,aluminum, nickel tungsten, dual cavity. etc. etc.

its a single forged iron. i've read many reviews and descriptions of mp 57 but calling it "clunky".
makes it seem cheap.

if clunky is a decription given either to the single forged mp 57, or the multipiece, multi material busy looking ap2's.

i think the majority would describe the ap2's clunky. don't you think?

opinions, anyone?

here's a link to a topic about ap2's and the zb irons.

read what most players think about the iron's appearance.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=128294

I am not talking clunky in appearance......I mean clunky feeling. I don't care how they are constructed if they feel good. I have not hit the AP2 yet. I won't go with them if they don't feel good. First of all, I don't see any of the pieces parts at address so that does not matter. If they feel soft (and by all accounts they do) and they perform then I don't care if there are 20 pieces. I do care about looks. If the AP2s and the MP57s performed and felt exactly the same then I think the MP57 would probably be my choice. Right now I think the MP57 feels clunky to me but I am sure they will play different. I am not sure what you shoot but to me I will take my two strokes and run. Two strokes can make or break me.

I don't understand the hang up people have with what a club looks like while in the bag. Yes I want them to look nice but when addressing the ball you don't see any of the stuff people are complaining about. Same thing goes with the Cleveland CG reds or Callaway xyz...etc. The AP2s have made their way into alot of bags on tour.....there has to be something worth checking out. I will keep an open mind until I hit them.

[spacedust]

i thought you were describing the looks as clunky... hahaha

well.. i guess it feels different to different people, and thats fine. all matter of preference.

here's what others are saying about the looks of an iron as compared to its performance.



QUOTE(StaffBag @ Dec 9 2007, 01:21 AM) WOW!!!
Haters!! Haters!!! HATERS!!!

Everywhere I look.... HATERS!!!!!!

All comments on a set of irons that you HAVEN'T EVEN HIT YET!!!


So tell me... IF you haters ever get the chance to hit these irons and you find that they are just about the best PERFORMING set of clubs that you have ever hit in your life... will you EVER consider chaging your minds?!

It is amazing to me that there are that many people here who look at the back of thier irons at the same time that they are hitting a ball with them!! How do you manage to do this?!

If they look like every other set of Titleist irons from the address position, WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER?!

I would also think that if the insert was taken out of these, the performance of the club would go way down! I admit that they could have used a slightly different color than the silver with the black Titleist script, but I think they look just fine!


BTW.... PING has some UGLY-a$ stuff over the years, and everyone seems to think they are just the best stuff EVER!!!

..... WHY do people think they are the best stuff ever..... THEY ACTUALLY PERFORM!!!!

Sometimes pretty and performance are not interchangeable!







.... And for the person who photoshopped the pic of the ZB iron to make it look "better"... The iron won't perform the same if you do that! (Which is why they made the Z-pattern in the back and not formed it the way you did!)












Nope! Nobody here but HATERS!!!

I don't look at the outside design of my car, while driving it - but I still like my car to look good and be well designed. I feel the same about my irons - why don't you ?

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Best regards
Club Ho Uno
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A quote from a very wise golfer:
"I practice with the most unforgiving clubs, I can get my hands on.
I play with the most forgiving clubs, I can stand to look down at,
when addressing the ball....."

[spacedust]

most important thing to me is that it has to be visually appealing. 2nd it has to perform.
i don't think i can get over the looks of the ap2's. but if someone can. more power to them.

if my mizzies wear out/lost/stolen/ i would like to try out the titleist zb's. = very good looking clubs.





This post has been edited by spacedust: Mar 14 2008, 12:31 AM

[Larry Swing]

spacedust, I think you made your point. You prefer appearance over performance and hate the AP2 based on looks alone. Not everybody might share that opinion, but by now everybody understands your point of view. Really.