Titleist 2008 AP2 and ZB Iron Photos Rating Options

[jebb]

Not a Titleist man myseld but am I alone in thinking those AP2s would look better without the lines/graphics/lettering and instead just having "Titleist" in the cavity?

Don't mind the shape and maybe they are very playable but really don't like the busy look to them. MacGregor must be sat rubbing their hands!

This post has been edited by jebb: Dec 8 2007, 11:27 AM

[TRB151]

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I know the AP2's look like they are already in production form. However, to me, it is only the insert that makes these clubs look gimmicky. Perhaps if the higher ups at Titleist get a look at this early enough they can make an adjustment to the decal (or simply ditch it for a Paintfilled Titleist logo) and all will be forgiven.

Titleist if you are listening, take off the text below the cut channel, take off the trapazoid around the Titleist script, and simplify the back of the club with just a Titleist logo in the middle. Heck if you want to keep the lines I even think that is ok, but just frame it around the logo. This will keep the Traditionalist happy, but still add a little more shelf appeal for the customer that is into that.

They didn't listen when when everyone wanted the chrome/black 755s. Why would they listen now. There are folks making a ton of money who have years of clubmaking experierience making decisions. They won't listen to a handful of us.

Yes they have years of club making expereience, but recently how successful have they been in the retail market. Moderate at best. If Titleist wants to reclaim some market share they need to be more inclined to listen to what the consumer wants.

Titleist was a wonderful club maker when golf clubs were not a revolving door in players bags, but the new consumer changes clubs so often that marketing is now the #1 factor in what sells clubs, and from a marketing standpoint (shelf appeal) I think that Titleist is still trying to figure out what they need to do, and when someone is searching for answers they need to look at different areas then in the past. Especially when their recent history does not show a lot of success.

Titleist has always been a performance 1st company and I appreciate that, but they need to keep up with the marketing machines of Callaway, Nike, & Taylormade if they want to stay successful in the golf club market. I just feel that in recent history Titleist has not shown a clear direction of where they want to go. Hopefully with the head of Cobra taking over for Titleist they will be able to set forth on a more clear path, but right now they seem to be changing clubs without any rhyme or reason.

[lowdrive]

The APs look like a cross between the S58 and the Nike CCi.

It looks like they hired the Taylormade grahics design team on that one, too. What happened to simple beauty?

The ZBs look very nice. I guess we will have to hear how they play.

[texashigh10]

I know looks are important, but how they look at address and how they hit are 10X more important. I'm waiting til I try these for final judgement.

PS- Just because Titleist is trying to appeal to mid handicappers dosn't mean they are losing their touch or have crappy designers, its just good business.

[th6252]

Those are the ugliest looking Titleist irons ever! I mean ever and I'm a big Titleist fan. Cobra is seriously going to dust off Titty in 2008.

i think we're in the minority here, but i agree with you. those are hideous, and not just the ap2.

on another note, does anyone remember that prgressive set of titleists that were released in japan only with the undercut cavity? i think ernie and maybe adam scott, was playing it a few years ago.

[mat562]

690.CH?

[StaffBag]

WOW!!!
Haters!! Haters!!! HATERS!!!

Everywhere I look.... HATERS!!!!!!

All comments on a set of irons that you HAVEN'T EVEN HIT YET!!!


So tell me... IF you haters ever get the chance to hit these irons and you find that they are just about the best PERFORMING set of clubs that you have ever hit in your life... will you EVER consider chaging your minds?!

It is amazing to me that there are that many people here who look at the back of thier irons at the same time that they are hitting a ball with them!! How do you manage to do this?!

If they look like every other set of Titleist irons from the address position, WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER?!

I would also think that if the insert was taken out of these, the performance of the club would go way down! I admit that they could have used a slightly different color than the silver with the black Titleist script, but I think they look just fine!


BTW.... PING has some UGLY-a$$ stuff over the years, and everyone seems to think they are just the best stuff EVER!!!

..... WHY do people think they are the best stuff ever..... THEY ACTUALLY PERFORM!!!!

Sometimes pretty and performance are not interchangeable!







.... And for the person who photoshopped the pic of the ZB iron to make it look "better"... The iron won't perform the same if you do that! (Which is why they made the Z-pattern in the back and not formed it the way you did!)












Nope! Nobody here but HATERS!!!

This post has been edited by StaffBag: Dec 8 2007, 07:23 PM

[Viking Golfer]

WOW!!!
Haters!! Haters!!! HATERS!!!

Everywhere I look.... HATERS!!!!!!

All comments on a set of irons that you HAVEN'T EVEN HIT YET!!!


So tell me... IF you haters ever get the chance to hit these irons and you find that they are just about the best PERFORMING set of clubs that you have ever hit in your life... will you EVER consider chaging your minds?!

It is amazing to me that there are that many people here who look at the back of thier irons at the same time that they are hitting a ball with them!! How do you manage to do this?!

If they look like every other set of Titleist irons from the address position, WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER?!

I would also think that if the insert was taken out of these, the performance of the club would go way down! I admit that they could have used a slightly different color than the silver with the black Titleist script, but I think they look just fine!


BTW.... PING has some UGLY-a$ stuff over the years, and everyone seems to think they are just the best stuff EVER!!!

..... WHY do people think they are the best stuff ever..... THEY ACTUALLY PERFORM!!!!

Sometimes pretty and performance are not interchangeable!







.... And for the person who photoshopped the pic of the ZB iron to make it look "better"... The iron won't perform the same if you do that! (Which is why they made the Z-pattern in the back and not formed it the way you did!)












Nope! Nobody here but HATERS!!!

I don't look at the outside design of my car, while driving it - but I still like my car to look good and be well designed. I feel the same about my irons - why don't you ?

[kevcarter]

Not really a fair question, IMHO. We are all going off pictures, none of us have seen these irons in person yet. I don't care for the Nike look projected in the pics of the game improvement series, but LOVE the looks of the Z series. That may all change when I see them in person and get to hit them. Performance is king!

Kevin

WOW!!!
Haters!! Haters!!! HATERS!!!

Everywhere I look.... HATERS!!!!!!

All comments on a set of irons that you HAVEN'T EVEN HIT YET!!!


So tell me... IF you haters ever get the chance to hit these irons and you find that they are just about the best PERFORMING set of clubs that you have ever hit in your life... will you EVER consider chaging your minds?!

It is amazing to me that there are that many people here who look at the back of thier irons at the same time that they are hitting a ball with them!! How do you manage to do this?!

If they look like every other set of Titleist irons from the address position, WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER?!

I would also think that if the insert was taken out of these, the performance of the club would go way down! I admit that they could have used a slightly different color than the silver with the black Titleist script, but I think they look just fine!


BTW.... PING has some UGLY-a$ stuff over the years, and everyone seems to think they are just the best stuff EVER!!!

..... WHY do people think they are the best stuff ever..... THEY ACTUALLY PERFORM!!!!

Sometimes pretty and performance are not interchangeable!







.... And for the person who photoshopped the pic of the ZB iron to make it look "better"... The iron won't perform the same if you do that! (Which is why they made the Z-pattern in the back and not formed it the way you did!)












Nope! Nobody here but HATERS!!!

I don't look at the outside design of my car, while driving it - but I still like my car to look good and be well designed. I feel the same about my irons - why don't you ?

[BD57]

I'm surprised (well, no, not really) that so many are trashing the AP on those photos alone. We don't hit the ball with the cavity; absent an extremely unusual shot, we can't even see it at address.

I'll be interested in seeing Titleist's explanation of the technology.

[vwgolfer]

These are being judged on looks because iron technology does not really change that rapidly. That is why people are exicted about the Macgregors coming out. Classic look and I bet they are better than the Titleist why because everyone who hits them will be happy about the way they look, for some people this makes a difference. I know I would never hit a club I did not like the looks of. I could not get over the fact that I thought they were either ugly or tacky looking, something that I think these irons are. sorry all you titleist lovers, you better move on and hook up with some new COBRAS, or better yet check the 701 tours, or Macgregors, or better yet get yourself some J33 CBs for $300 brand new and take your girlfriend/wife out on the town and think about golf when you get lucky that night.

[BEND OF THE RIVE...]

Really liking the zb forged but not the other ones, they are ugly.

[DuckHook02]

Oh no, I actually like the ZB, here I was planning to stay with the 695MB.

Topline? What happened to the ZM forgerd?

AP2 = ugly.


BP

Not sure if this has been posted already, I didn't read all the posts. The ZM's will exist...they are the all blade set. The ZB pictured here are the "Blended" set, which will replace the 735cms.

[StaffBag]

WOW!!!
Haters!! Haters!!! HATERS!!!

Everywhere I look.... HATERS!!!!!!

All comments on a set of irons that you HAVEN'T EVEN HIT YET!!!


So tell me... IF you haters ever get the chance to hit these irons and you find that they are just about the best PERFORMING set of clubs that you have ever hit in your life... will you EVER consider chaging your minds?!

It is amazing to me that there are that many people here who look at the back of thier irons at the same time that they are hitting a ball with them!! How do you manage to do this?!

If they look like every other set of Titleist irons from the address position, WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER?!

I would also think that if the insert was taken out of these, the performance of the club would go way down! I admit that they could have used a slightly different color than the silver with the black Titleist script, but I think they look just fine!


BTW.... PING has some UGLY-a$ stuff over the years, and everyone seems to think they are just the best stuff EVER!!!

..... WHY do people think they are the best stuff ever..... THEY ACTUALLY PERFORM!!!!

Sometimes pretty and performance are not interchangeable!







.... And for the person who photoshopped the pic of the ZB iron to make it look "better"... The iron won't perform the same if you do that! (Which is why they made the Z-pattern in the back and not formed it the way you did!)












Nope! Nobody here but HATERS!!!

I don't look at the outside design of my car, while driving it - but I still like my car to look good and be well designed. I feel the same about my irons - why don't you ?

I agree completely. I also don't look at the outside of my car while driving. I also don't look at anything but the golf ball when hitting an iron. (Sure I look at the scoring line at first to line up, but after that....)

I fail to see the comment on the "well designed part"? I know you are talking about your car, but I also see this being on an equal plane as meaning that the design of these irons is not good! Have you actually hit them? Or is this just a knee-jerk reaction to seeing a picture of them? I would think that if they performed very well when you hit them, you might not make these same comments! I at least think that these irons still look like golf clubs! There is nothing radically different to these irons compared to any of the other new sets that Titleist has offered or any other company is offering for the new year. Titleist seems to be just starting to jump onto the bandwagon of having little extras in thier irons (whether they are engineered to help, or to be just a cosmetic piece of "bling" to attract your attention to them when they are on the rack). Cleveland and Taylor Made have been offering a little bit of flash or bling to thier irons for the past 3 or 4 years, but now that ol' plain vanilla Titleist decides to add a little flash to thier iron line and everyone goes nuts saying they SUCK without even hitting them!! (THAT is what I think sucks!)

No, I have not hit these either, but I am at least going to reserve judgement until my rep comes thru and I get a chance to hit his samples and actually physically touch them... not just form a permanent opinion by looking at them in a PICTURE!!!

Personally, I think these new irons (ALL OF THEM) look really, really GOOD from the pictures I've seen!!!


(End of rant!)

[Tigersworld]

Where is the MacGregor line start at for 08. I don't recognize Titleist irons or drivers anymore but they still have great wedge thanks to Bob Vokey and putter line up and patent infringement pro v's ones.

JuNiOR

[mat562]

Why is it a no-no to say I don't like the look of an iron?

I agree that performance is king, but when I pick an iron there are various filtering stages before I even hit balls with them. Do I like the look of the club? (and by that I mean from all angles, including the back..) Does it have the attributes I'm looking for? Low offset? A nice face profile and toe shape? Deep heel? Narrow sole? Bounce angles? Proper lofts?

After all that, I then progress to hitting the thing, and see how it performs.

If it looks horrid, then the chances are it won't make it to the ball-hitting stage.

Those Titleist cavities look horrid. I don't like tinfoil inserts. I don't like 'flash' or gimmicky bits that are seemingly there solely as an eye-catcher or as a non-functional unique selling point.

I don't like those irons.

I haven't hit them (or seen them in person) yet, that's true. But thus far they fail the first filtering stage.

I think Titleist are making a mistake with the glitz factor. Their clubs have always been functional and non-fussy and I always liked that approach. I've owned some 681s and some 680s, both of which were very good irons. Both plain, functional and well-performing, despite the distinct lack of cartoon features.

There's a lesson there Titleist. And a good sales pitch too - which in recent years they've been about the only ones to use. Less is more.

This post has been edited by mat562: Dec 9 2007, 06:40 AM

[akanacl]

They look fine to me. Of course there are some added visual effects on the AP2s, but so what. And so what if they put a Z on the backs...really. Every OEM has a history of winners and losers. I don't think you can judge them until a consensus emerges 6-12 months after they are released. Most don't like the looks of the R7 TP but they are sweet sticks and they're everywhere. A TM tour pro with cast R7 TPs shot a course record 61 at my club a few weeks ago, with pars on all the par 5s....146 slope. Don't think he cares what they look like in the bag.

Personally, I don't think you can aesthically screw up a well designed "players" or mid handicapper iron. If it works...it works. Also...I'm not trying to criticize anyone here...but does it seem the better the player, the less concern about such things? And at Tour level probably zero concern?

[th6252]

690.CH?

yes, that's the one!

pic from an old thread:


This post has been edited by th6252: Dec 9 2007, 01:55 PM

[elwhippy]

WTF? Not impressed by the cavities, almost have a Ping S59/58 look about them. I know Titleist have had a stinking year in the UK, neither driver sold and these irons won't reverse the trend.

[bsc1872]

I was at the event at the Shark Sootout and alot of the guys like the AP'S and had them in play Zach and Faxon. I think it is good to see Titlelist do something different. They keep making the same looking iron over and over, change the back of the irons maybe alittle bit but they only make an iron that fits about 5% of the market. Those AP'S look like even a solid 10 could play them. Every company is going to that look anyways so it's about time to wided their market aliitle bit. The Z's look really good to.

[birdman]

Let me give you my impressions of the AP2 and ZB irons after having played and hit a lot of practice balls with each set over the last two weeks. My PERCEPTION is most recently influenced by having used a set of 755 chromed irons for most of 2007.

The AP2's look at address even better than the 755's. The profiles are similar though the AP2's might be slightly less sharp or hard in appearance. As I originally stated, the top line is thicker on the AP2's than on the 755's or every other model of Titleist irons. The AP2's have less offset, though that might be attributable to my 755's bent 1-2 degrees stronger than their standard lofts. The scoring area finish on the AP2's is less frosted and appears cleaner. The ball feels even more solid off the AP2's than the 755's.

The ZB's, especially the 3-7 iron profiles, remind me a lot of the 695CB's (I played in 2005 and 2006) at address. Ball contact is similar to the 695CB's as well. The 8-P remind me of 695MB short irons that I've also hit but have never used. All ZB profiles are sharper than the AP2's. There might be a little more offset in the 3 and 4 irons than some people might like. There certainly is more immediate feedback with the ZB 6-P irons than the 695CB's, 755's or AP2's.

I'm still uncertain with which what set I'll play in 2008 and always have the option of Titleist building me another set of 755 chrome irons.

[S70B]

Let me give you my impressions of the AP2 and ZB irons after having played and hit a lot of practice balls with each set over the last two weeks. My PERCEPTION is most recently influenced by having used a set of 755 chromed irons for most of 2007.

The AP2's look at address even better than the 755's. The profiles are similar though the AP2's might be slightly less sharp or hard in appearance. As I originally stated, the top line is thicker on the AP2's than on the 755's or every other model of Titleist irons. The AP2's have less offset, though that might be attributable to my 755's bent 1-2 degrees stronger than their standard lofts. The scoring area finish on the AP2's is less frosted and appears cleaner. The ball feels even more solid off the AP2's than the 755's.

The ZB's, especially the 3-7 iron profiles, remind me a lot of the 695CB's (I played in 2005 and 2006) at address. Ball contact is similar to the 695CB's as well. The 8-P remind me of 695MB short irons that I've also hit but have never used. All ZB profiles are sharper than the AP2's. There might be a little more offset in the 3 and 4 irons than some people might like. There certainly is more immediate feedback with the ZB 6-P irons than the 695CB's, 755's or AP2's.

I'm still uncertain with which what set I'll play in 2008 and always have the option of Titleist building me another set of 755 chrome irons.

Thanks for the quick review mate.

Any chance Titleist will introduce the ZBs in satin or matted finish? Chrome is so early 2000's hehe

[birdman]

Everything will be chrome according to Titleist...unless you're Adam Scott or Davis Love.

[GolfJRK]

who is running this company. I expect this from nike or taylormade but not titleist. If titleist had the sense to release a classic blade they would make a killing

[TRB151]

who is running this company. I expect this from nike or taylormade but not titleist. If titleist had the sense to release a classic blade they would make a killing

I don't mean to offend you or anyone else that makes comments like this, but are you a consumer or retailer?

The reason I ask this is because Titleist has been making classic looking clubs the past several years and they have been loosing market share continually every year. I think that Titleist is searching to try and find a new consumer base currently, and while the AP2 is not my favorite Titleist club, I don't think they are terrible. If Titleist would keep going in the same direction they have been going the past few years (i.e. classic style) I think they would eventually fall out of the market completely.

Titleist is trying to change the image of being a traditionalists club company and I applaud them for that, as long as performance is still first I don't mind the asthetic changes they are making to their club line.

[StaffBag]

who is running this company. I expect this from nike or taylormade but not titleist. If titleist had the sense to release a classic blade they would make a killing

I don't mean to offend you or anyone else that makes comments like this, but are you a consumer or retailer?

The reason I ask this is because Titleist has been making classic looking clubs the past several years and they have been loosing market share continually every year. I think that Titleist is searching to try and find a new consumer base currently, and while the AP2 is not my favorite Titleist club, I don't think they are terrible. If Titleist would keep going in the same direction they have been going the past few years (i.e. classic style) I think they would eventually fall out of the market completely.

Titleist is trying to change the image of being a traditionalists club company and I applaud them for that, as long as performance is still first I don't mind the asthetic changes they are making to their club line.

100% AGREE!!!

I agree also that Titleist should think about offering a "classic blade" in thier line as a custom option and as far as Titleist is concerned, they still have one. (You still can get the 660's and 670's and some 680's yet thru custom clubs, people!)

As for offering a "blade" for the masses and making a "killing" on sales, I really beg to differ! Less than 1 percent of the golfers out there today... including many tour pros... have any business even using a true blade any more! Today's golf ball is changing that. If the golf ball would change by USGA decree to become softer and spin more, then I would say there is need for a blade, but these new iron sets make more sense! (Not just the Z-models and the AP's, but even offerings from other companies!)

Sure, WE all here would like to own (and some like to believe that they truly need) "true tour equipment", but that isn't the case! Even Tiger only uses a 2 iron for specific situations, mostly using a 5 wood and considering a hybrid. He even has stated that as he ages, he will consider dumping the 3 iron for possibly a 7-wood! (YIKES!!!) If this is the case for the #1 player in the world, then why would we think that we would need some of this hard to hit stuff.

The truth of the matter is, the true market for blades is not nearly as big as we all think because if it was, there would be a large offering of them for this next year! However, there is not. That is just reality and how the game is changing. We also all ask why these companies don't release their tour inventory for custom... The quick answer to that is economics. Why would they want to put that much money into producing inventory that in reality won't sell in the numbers that they would like to see. Since they have put major dollars and time into producing what they bring to retail, they (those OEM's) feel that these offerings are more beneficial to a broader range of golfers to buy the items. Think about it! If a 14 handicapper buys a tour driver and still hits it like crap because he thinks the club is going to cure his woes, he will possibly not have as good of an image of that company and may not buy from them again! The OEM's are not going to risk that, nor keep an astronomical amount of different clubs in thier inventories for sale.

Bottom line... it's all about the CA$H!!!

If you want the special stuff, then get better and find a way to get on TOUR or at the least become friends with a TOUR player or TOUR caddie to get your TOUR items!

...There is also always EBAY! (Good luck!)


Titleist is just trying to position itself in the golf industry so that it can remain #1. That involves change from time to time. If they just made the same thing all the time, they would become extinct before we know it, because they will never have anything new or innovative!

I, for one, think that these new offerings from Titleist appear WONDERFUL on first impression. That could change when I get to field test this stuff, but as for right now I reserve that judgement.


If you want a set of true blades, then get some 670's and forget the rest!

This post has been edited by StaffBag: Dec 9 2007, 11:42 PM

[S70B]

Everything will be chrome according to Titleist...unless you're Adam Scott or Davis Love.

Too bad.

At least the 735s had an option. Well, we'll have a look again when it launches officially.

I've tried a square driver before so equipment, whether they are wierd-looking or not are definitely not a problem for me.

This post has been edited by S70B: Dec 10 2007, 01:32 AM

[finalist]

WOW!!!
Haters!! Haters!!! HATERS!!!

Everywhere I look.... HATERS!!!!!!

All comments on a set of irons that you HAVEN'T EVEN HIT YET!!!

So tell me... IF you haters ever get the chance to hit these irons and you find that they are just about the best PERFORMING set of clubs that you have ever hit in your life... will you EVER consider chaging your minds?!

It is amazing to me that there are that many people here who look at the back of thier irons at the same time that they are hitting a ball with them!! How do you manage to do this?!

.... And for the person who photoshopped the pic of the ZB iron to make it look "better"... The iron won't perform the same if you do that! (Which is why they made the Z-pattern in the back and not formed it the way you did!)


Nope! Nobody here but HATERS!!!

I photoshoped the ZBs. Just for fun... but they will perform very much the same. this isn't "ground breaking" technology... just something new to put out there for '08.
Dont be so angry. you can still play them.
If I'm asked to spend almost a grand on a set of sticks, they better perform very well and look very good. The logic that the look of the muscle area of an iron doesn't matter doesn't make sense to me. That's like buying a really ugly car and saying, "it performs." Most people want the whole package.

[hayam]

How bout making Mercedes start looking like a VW beetle.. or Hondas ? Best driving experience.. but whats missing? Mercedes would no longer be Mercedes.

Look at Macgregor.. NVG, ... now falling back into their old lines.. I think NVG driver is one of the best driver ever , high high ball speed and long. but thats not what people want i guess.

Just personal opinion.

[neilc]

yes!

[drawmerchant]

Not overly impressed with the look of the AP2s, but the ZBs look moderately OK. The AP2 cosmetics are just too busy and the framing of the Titleist logo in the cavity just looks plain naff - whether they're actually going to be great to hit or not. Nice to look at they ain't - great to hit they might well be.

I know the answers are probably elsewhere on this site, but will the full new range feature the AP2s, ZMs and ZBs plus another game improvement iron? Or will there also be a set of ZCs i.e. a full cavity back set a la 695CBs?

I fully agree with some earlier comments in this post that Titleist is losing the plot a bit in terms of club cosmetics and styling, and that the new MacGregor iron range for 2008 appears to (at least cosmetically - we can't wax lyrical yet about what it's like to hit the new clubs from either Mac or Titty) knock spots of these proposed Titleist offerings.

Drawmerchant

Current WITB

Titleist 905S, 9.5*, Titleist Fujikura Speeder S Flex
Titleist 904F, 13*, Titleist Fujikura Speeder Fairway S Flex
Sonartec MD, 19*, UST iRod S Flex
Mizuno MP-33, 3-PW, Rifle 6.0
Mizuno MP-R Black Nickel, 52* & 58*, Rifle 6.0
Guerin Rife Aussie Blade, 35" shaft

[bpalmer21]

I have now started looking at MP-32's and Titleist 680s.....never thought the day would come.

BP

[Hawkeye]

Thank you very much birdman for posting these pictures as well as your great insight into these new clubs. We at golfwrx owe you a huge thanks for your contributions and work. Keep us posted on your thoughts of these clubs and any other Titleist updates you may have. Cheers!

[jpkelly6]

From a titleist staffer those clubs are quite nice, how bout those zm's though.......hey bud, where'd you get that photo of Nat on her knees? please divulge that info, if you would

[golfebj]

I like them both. AP2 looks like Titleist for us mere mortals!

[byrness]

I like the looks of the new AP2. Have been a Titleist junkie for years. My one knock with the company was they are a little boring...too traditional you might say, not enough flare and style. I remember this same argument when the D2 came out...everyone thought the new zippered headcover was ugly...I think the zipper is more functional (and you don't have a sock that will tear over time) and the color combination was cool. I think one of the reasons you see a detour from typical Titleist styling in the AP2 is due to some technology advancements in weighting and increased MOI...not sure how you can incorporate new technology in the same old packaging. Now if they would just come out with some cool color combinations in their staff bags.

[eRod v1.0]

Do the ap2 remind anyone of the ping s58?

First thing I thought when I opened the thread opened up.

[birdman]

I'll predict that all you 755 chrome wannabees will love the AP2's because they're chrome and look better at address and feel better at impact than the former. Why in the world so many seem to care what the backs look like is just plain mystifying to me. I guess since how the backs look is so important that everyone owns a Merc SL 63 or Porsche 997 TT (which have the best looking rear ends in the automobile world)!

[birdman]

I'll predict that all you 755 chrome wannabees will love the AP2's because they're chrome and look better at address and feel better at impact than the former. Why in the world so many seem to care what the backs look like is just plain mystifying to me. I guess since how the backs look is so important that everyone owns a Merc SL 63 or Porsche 997 TT (which have the best looking rear ends in the automobile world)!

[mat562]

I'm more concerned with how it looks at address I'll grant you; but the overall look of the club is important to me, and when they start putting gimicky tinfoil stickers on it I'm afraid it's a turnoff for me.

p.s. Ferrari F40....