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Posted KjBowenWRX on 08 June 2014 - 08:28 AM
I really enjoy this as it allows me to play with a ton of different people and of all skill levels. Yes there is a chance of some nightmare rounds but some can be very pleasing.
Yesterday I decide to head over to play the local Par 3 course and when I arrived there was no one on the course except for a very old man on the tee.. The owner comes out an says you may wanna play thru him as he plays VERY SLOW. I told her no worries I am in no hurry. He tees off and she was right.. Very slow.. He finishes the hole and I play the hole.. I walk to the next tee and he just arrived. I asked him if I could play along side him.. He made a face like he was shocked I didn't ask him to play thru.. We played together and we had a great time.. Playing with him prob added 30-40 mins to my round but we both had company..
Turns out he is 83 years old
Has been playing golf for 63 years!
He lost his wife and has no one to play with.
At the end of the round the owner came out with tears in her eyes and told me that he plays there 3 days a week for over 4 years and no one has ever played with him. They always play thru and that what I did was an amazing gesture.. I told her in my eyes that's in the spirit of the game and why we all play.
She refunded me my greens fees and said that with what I did that earned me a free round.. I went in and the old man bought me a drink.
I truly love this game and I think I will be doing even more rounds as a single lookin to meet some amazing individuals
Posted golfpros1 on 08 February 2014 - 08:11 PM
Pros and Cons
If you go all Taylormade, you can also pretend to sign a clothing deal with Adidas Golf, which really ups your poser game. You can also be young and edgy and rock the Ashworth stuff, so the options are really endless for you. Throw in the white three striped belt and you're practically a touring pro. For all their marketing, the clubs are actually really good, so it could be a win-win this season.
The ball is great, but not for everyone, which could really mess up the relationship with your pretend sponsor, and you're also subject to those things they call wedges. Also, their staff bags and hats change every 6 months, so this is an ongoing investment that you have to consider to maintain your poser level.
If you go all Titleist, you have a nice transition from woods to putters, cause it's all pretty quality stuff. The staff bag also doesn't change often, so you can maintain your level of poser for quite a while before reinvesting. And let's face it, there's a million of these guys, so you could fly under the radar and pull this off too. You also have Footjoy to round out your look, which isn't too shabby I might add.
It's hard to find a pretend clothing deal. Sure, you can go with Oakley, Polo, UnderArmour or someone, but it feels like your poser game has lost some street cred. You also lose out on all the fuzzy feelings you get with Taylormade and Callaway marketing hype. I mean, how fun is it really to say you're hitting a <insert number> versus a JetSpeed? The models also don't really change each year, so it loses some poser edge unless you go with the story about Titleist letting you bag what you want as long as it's theirs (which requires some acting skills).
If you go all Callaway Golf, you've got some quality stuff throughout the bag. Some woods are hook central, but nothing the pro model can't fix, or a story about some custom fitting sessions in Carlsbad. Staff bags also get a big bonus, cause collecting the bombs is kind of cool, and tells you're playing parters that you're 250 yard drive is really a 320 bomb. Also, you could maybe pretend you're a professional long driver, but that really comes down to whether you can swing the club 115mph to pull off the look to unsuspecting ams that think 300 is long.
Sure, you can wear Callaway clothing, and it's pretty decent stuff, but it's not as easy to find or on sale. Those golf ball dimples also take some getting use to, but I'm sure you can work it out. Also, the endless questions about Phil could get to be too much, depending on whether you're a fan or not.
If you're a cast guy, you've found your home. These guys have lots of great options, and even touring pros will play the i series so you might be able to pull the whole thing off. Plus, you can also get your putters dipped in gold (spray paint might work), and start a room in your house. This is for the serious poser, however. Another good thing, you can pretend to sign a deal with any ball maker and still be legit.
Not everyone loves cast, so this could be an issue. You also have no clothing deal options to complete the full poser effect, though you might be able to pull it off with Oakley (especially if you say you're truck is bullet proof (don't test it out, no matter how many beers on the course you drink)).
If you're a forged guy, this is really a great way to go. Irons, wedges, and putters are top notch stuff, and you can tell stories about how samurai swords are made. Bags and hats don't change often, so you can maintain your poser level for some time. You can also pretend to be sponsored with any golf ball, but I'd stick with Titleist on this one.
Woods are not at the top of peoples list, and although their own pros will bag a TM driver, it lowers your ranking. You have no clothing deal options either, which really limits you to Oakley, Polo, UnderArmour, etc.
If you go all Nike, you have some great Nike swooshed options. Pretty quality throughout the bag overall. And when you sign a pretend deal with Nike, with it comes apparel, shoes, hats, street wear when you're not playing, etc. You can pull off the best poser image, behind TM, in the game. This is also the best option for the PLAYAS... you know who you are (no need to insert a cheap Tiger waitress joke).
You live in the shadow of Tiger, and it's creating friction with your pretend sponsor. You also would never bag anything but their blades, so you better bring your A game.
A long history of winners and majors, you follow in great footsteps. They are also a general sporting company, so you can mix in other sporting equipment to round out your pretend sponsorship. Also, they don't sponsor many people you've heard of, so in the US you have a higher chance of pulling this off (unless they are hardcore golf fans). Plus, you could make your own funny youtube commercial if you're the type.
Seriously? No, really, seriously? Where do we even begin? You have no pretend clothing deal associated with this sponsorship, let alone shoes or ball, but I suggest you're a journeyman that likes to march to the beat of your own drummer (may require acting skills) to pull this off.
You're best friends with Watson... just go with it. Besides, you were also instrumental in Els leaving Callaway. This could win you an oscar this year. BTW, their stuff is actually really good, and the shaft upgrades alone make this a smart pretend sponsorship for any poser (especially on a budget). Also, you're inside knowledge about TM owning AG makes you not only the real deal, but gives you the ability to fulfill your dream of wearing yellow shoes.
These guys are associated mainly with Champions Tour players. I know what you're saying, it's only bad for the guys under 50, but it's still a major issue to consider to pull this off.
You are the coolest kid on the block! I mean, you sip red bull all day, and party all night with the hot ladies! If you're young, this is THE pretend sponsorship this year. You got some great options with the equipment as well, and you can even COLOR COORDINATE with your other pretend sponsor, Puma.
Only for the young. Seriously, no one needs to see a 40 year old guy in orange pants. 'nough said.
Still one of the top wedge makers, and a solid overall choice. This is a nice sleeper sponsorship. You also won't have to worry about all the pressures of shooting commercials or marketing materials since they never do it. You can also link your pretend sponsorship with Srixon, which is a huge selling point if you prefer a yellow ball.
Let's be honest, this sponsorship is home for the insane. VJ is spraying antler urine or something on himself, Beljan is laying all over the course with panic attacks near death, and where do we even start watching Keegan hit a ball. You'll also have to work on a clothing deal here, and if Srixon isn't your deal, you will have a tough time pulling this one off.
Fred Couples. Yeah, that's what you're getting here, and it's a good thing. OK, everyone likes some Kuch (don't say that with your wife around), but it's all about Couples here. The equipment is actually pretty good, particularly the forged stuff. You also have a great ball selection to fit anyones game with this pretend sponsorship, and all of them are totally legit options with Lee hanging on to the lower ball speed models. You also have a lot of flexibility with this sponsor, so it could be a win-win if you're a tinkerer.
It's been a while, but didn't the woods look like something Austin Powers would use? It took some serious wind out of this sponsorship in the driver department in the past, which is why you saw some other options in the bag. Couples or no couples, Bridgestone Golf just doesn't seem to carry the kind of poser power of the others, so you have to really figure out who you want to pretend you are.
Posted Lord Helmet on 17 January 2015 - 02:55 PM
What an awesome gesture. My daughter was stoked. I hope this gentleman is a wrxer and sees this. My hats off to you sir.
He was a good stick too!
Posted PZero on 07 September 2014 - 07:43 PM
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Posted Obee on 07 September 2014 - 12:19 PM
The magic circle is truly what it's all about. There are many factors that go into what separates each level of player from the next, but that one is the most important on a long term basis. Over one round (which I will show below), it can be overcome by short game or better putting by the amateur, or mediocre putting by the pro, but there is simply no substitute for "hitting the pocket," to borrow a bowling analogy. Not every ball thrown in the pocket in bowling results in a strike, just like not every ball hit in the "magic circle" results in a birdie. Keep hitting the pocket, though, and you're going to make a lot of strikes. Keep hitting it in the magic circle, and you're going to make a lot of birdies on a regular basis--the key to competing at elite amateur or professional golf.
Just yesterday I played a Saturday round at the club with a top Champions Tour player. I've played dozens of rounds with this guy. After playing with him over and over and over, I can tell you some pretty indisputable things about a below-scratch amateur versus a tour pro.
As many of you on the site already know, I'm a competitive amateur. I'm a +0.8 right now, and my low index is usually in the +2 range. Years ago, I was more like a +2.5 to +3.5 for much of the year, but those days are gone. I'm 47 now, and I just hit the ball too short and am constantly battling lingering back and side issues. I was never "long," but I was always "long enough." Now I'm not even "long enough." I can't take advantage of any par 5's if they are over 510 or so, and I just don't have the club head speed anymore to access truly tough pins in true tournament conditions (firm greens).
I can still play this game at a reasonable competitive level, and if you put me inside 140 yards, there isn't a lot that separates my game from a pro’s when I'm healthy and can release through impact.. When I was longer, I could take advantage of that strength (my solid play from inside 140), and would be hitting wedge into quite a few holes every round. Because of that, I was able to hit the ball into the “magic circle” quite frequently. Now, on a longer course, I'm lucky to be inside 140 on any holes except the shortest par 4’s and the par 5’s, which greatly reduces my ability to put it in that magic circle.
I only mention my game for comparison's sake when I play with a Tour Pro. And by the way, I'm comparing myself to a Champions Tour player, and not a regular tour player because I'm 47. If I were 32, I'd use a regular Tour Pro as an example. So let’s get into it!
Here's yesterday's round at Bear Creek Golf Club (7,157 75.7/146). We played all tees back except for two par 4's that were up one tee due to some tee maintenance. Played about 7,100 yards and longer than that, actually, due to how soft and wet the fairways are in the morning in the Inland Empire due to temperatures reaching 100 degrees-plus and them having to water so heavily over-night and in the morning.
I'm going to give a hole-by-hole breakdown of how our round went so that you can see what it's really like to play a Tour Pro. Greens yesterday were running at 10.5ish, but on the bumpy side due to recent top-dressing/punching. All the holes have been filled in with grass, but they are still soft and not the truest.
One other thing before I get into details: We gamble when we play. Yesterday we were a fivesome, and there were multiple team bets and individual bets, including the Champions Tour player playing a Web.com player for some $$$. This particular Champions Tour pro is a grinder. He plays golf. That's what he does. He grinds over 3-foot putts with us and HATES to lose to any of us!! LOL
1) 421 par 4, Very little wind at this time. Course soaking wet. Very little roll.
OBEE: Drive down the middle. 174 to a back left pin. Hit 7-hybrid (32 degrees) to 18 feet. 2 putts for par. EVEN PAR
TOUR PRO: Drive down the middle. 155 to back left pin. Hits 9-iron to 8 feet. BIRDIE. 1-UNDER
Magic Circle: Obee 1/1, Tour Pro 1/1
2) 424 Par 4.
OBEE: Drive down the middle.168 to tucked left pin just over huge ridge. I hit 7-hybrid to 20 feet. 2 putts for par. EVEN PAR
TOUR PRO: Tour Pro hits 3-wood down on right side of fairway. 160 to pin. Hits 8-iron to 12 feet. 2 putts for par. 1-UNDER
Magic Circle: Obee 2/2, Tour Pro 2/2
3) 528 par 5 (second shot is uphill and into a breeze. Plays much longer than 528.
OBEE: Drive down the middle. 4-wood lay-up to left side of fairway. LW from 70 yards to 12 feets. 2 putts for par. EVEN PAR
TOUR PRO: Drive down the middle. 3-wood carries center bunker and is 20 yards short of green. Pitches to a foot. Birdie. 2-UNDER
Magic Circle: Obee 3/3, Tour Pro 3/3
4) 415 par 4. Very difficult driving hole with multiple options.
OBEE: Drive down the middle, but heeled a bit and short. 164 to tucked right pin. 7-hybrid to left front with big ridge in between ball and hole. Bad first putt and miss the 4-foot par putt. BOGEY. 1-OVER
TOUR PRO: Drives over right fairway bunker. 140 to pin. Misses green right. Chips 4-feet long and makes the par save. 2-UNDER
Magic Circle: Obee 3 / 4, Tour pro 3 / 4.
5) 472 par 4. A bit downhill on drive. Considerably downhill on approach.
OBEE: Drive into right rough. 207 to back pin. 4-hybrid into right long rough. Pitch out to 20 feet and 2-putt for bogey. 2-OVER
TOUR PRO: Drive down middle. 170 to pin. 8-iron just over green in thick rough. Stubs chip a bit and leaves is short. Misses 10 foot par putt. Bogey. 1-UNDER
Magic Circle: Obee 3 / 5, Tour Pro 3 / 5
6) 152 par 3 (playing 129 today and downwind now). Tiny green. Trouble short and long.
OBEE: Choke-down, cut PW to six feet. Putt has a lot of break, and I miss it low. Par. 2-OVER.
TOUR PRO: GW onto back fringe. 20 feet. 2-putts for par. 1-UNDER
Magic Circle: Obee 4 / 6, Tour Pro 4 / 6
7) 400 par 4
OBEE: Drive barely into left rough. 9-iron from 151 to 25 feet. 2 putts for par. 2-OVER
TOUR PRO: 3-wood down middle. PW to 10 feet. Lips out birdie putt. 1-UNDER
Magic Circle: Obee 4 / 7, Tour Pro 5 / 7
8) 177 par 3, playing 168 actual. Down-wind.
OBEE: 8-iron that I pull left into a deep swale. LW pitch to 6 feet. Make the par save: 2-OVER
TOUR PRO: 8-iron to 10 feet. Lips out again. 1-UNDER
Magic Circle: Obee 4 / 8, Tour Pro 6 / 8
9) 539 par 5:
OBEE: Drive into left fairway bunker. 7-hybrid lay-up to 141. 9-iron short and in bunker. LW bunker shot to 4 feet. Save par. 2-OVER
TOUR PRO: Drive into left fairway bunker up. 9-iron lay-up to 140. PW to 30 feet. 2 putts for par. 1-UNDER.
Magic Circle: Obee 4 / 9, Tour Pro 6 / 9.
10) 432 par 4
OBEE: Drive down middle. 8-iron from 165 to 18 feet. 2 putts for par. 2-OVER
TOUR PRO: 3-wood down middle. 8-iron from 170 to 18 feet. 2 putts for par. 1-UNDER
Magic Circle: Obee 5/ 10, Tour Pro 7 / 10
11) 555 par 5.
OBEE: Horrible drive into left rough. 320 from pin. Downhill lie, ball nestled down. Horrible 6-hybrid lay-up attempt that I only advance 100 yards. 207 to front left pin out of rough. 4-hybrid that I knock on front-right of green 30 feet. 2 putts for par. 2-OVER
TOUR PRO: Drive down right side, which shortens the hole. 3-wood that he blocks right into water hazard. Drops and pitches on to 18 feet and 2 putts for bogey. EVEN PAR
Magic Circle: Obee 5 / 11, Tour Pro 7 / 11
12) 207 par 3. Into wind and uphill with deep bunkers short.
OBEE: 3-hybrid just a bit short into deep bunker. LW bunker shot to 3 feet. Make the putt to save par. 2-OVER.
TOUR PRO: Hybrid to 8 feet. Misses the putt and settles for par. EVEN PAR
Magic Circle: Obee 5 / 12, Tour Pro 8 / 12
13) 352 par 4. Strong crosswind.
OBEE: 4-wood down middle. GW from 109 to 12 feet. 2 putts for par. 2-OVER.
TOUR PRO: Driver down middle. LW from 50 yards to 15 feet. 2 putts for par. EVEN PAR
Magic Circle: Obee 6 / 13, Tour Pro 9 / 13
14) 543 par 5 (plays uphill and into a 10 – 15 mph wind).
OBEE: Drive down middle. 4-wood lay-up to 107 yards. Choke-down, cut PW to 3 feet. Make the birdie. 1-OVER
TOUR PRO: Drive down the middle. 3-wood up near green, but has an awkward stance and ball is in rough. Hits great pitch to 7 feet. Lips out the putt for birdie and settles for par. EVEN PAR
Magic Circle: Obee 7 / 14, Tour Pro 10 / 14
15) 421 par 4. Upill and into 10 – 15 mph wind.
OBEE: Drive down right-center of fairway, but I miss it a bit. 205 to front pin. 3-hybrid to 18 feet. 2 putts for par. 1-OVER
TOUR PRO: Drive down middle. Comes over the top on his approach and pulls it into left bunker with downhill lie to downhill pin. Hits an amazing shot, but he still has 10 feet for par. Misses the par and makes bogey. 1-OVER
Magic Circle: Obee 8 / 15, Tour Pro 10 / 15
16) 222 par 3 downhill, with strong wind down and left.
OBEE: 4-hybrid that I whiff and hit in front bunker, 30 yards short. GW to 10 feet. Miss the par save. 2-OVER
TOUR PRO: 5-iron misses green slightly left. Chips up and saves par. 1-OVER
Magic Circle: Obee 8 / 16, Tour Pro 10 / 16
17) 439 par 4. Wind down and across from right.
OBEE: Pull-hook drive into left rough. Blast 4-wood from 230 into front bunker. Knock bunker shot to 2-feet. Par. 2-OVER.
TOUR PRO: Drive down middle. 9-iron from 150 to 15 feet. 2 putts for par. 1-OVER
Magic Circle: Obee 8 / 17, Tour Pro 11 / 17
18) 432 par 4 downwind.
OBEE: Drive down middle. PW from 140 to tough front pin to 8 feet. Miss the birdie and tap in for a 2-OVER 74 on a course rated 75.7/146.
TOUR PRO: Drive down middle. GW from 130 to 12 feet. Misses the birdie and taps in for a 1-OVER 73.
Final “Magic Circle” Numbers: Obee 9 / 18, Tour Pro 12 / 18.
So there you have it. Keep in mind that the round was pretty typical in terms of ball-striking. The Tour Pro hit the ball about like he usually does, but yesterday he maximized his score. Hit hit one ball in the water, and he made absolutely nothing in terms of birdie putts. Based upon his ball-striking yesterday, I would expect his scoring to range from 66 to 73. He scored about as poorly as he possibly could have scored. He just made nothing. He’s actually a very, very good putter, but the greens were a bit bumpy, and they weren’t falling for him.
Based upon my ball-striking, I would expect my score to range from a low of 69 to a high of 78 with that round yesterday. I made a couple nice par saves, but I also made zero birdie putts in the 6 to 18 foot range, and I had quite a few of them.
OBEE: 12/18 GIR, 9/14 fairways, 32 putts, 9 / 18 magic circle, 3 / 4 sand saves, 1 / 2 up-and-down.
TOUR PRO: 13 / 18 GIR, 13 / 14 Fairways, 32 putts, 12 / 18 magic circle, 0 / 1 sand saves, 2 / 3 up-and-down.
So make of that what you will. I play with this guy a lot. Our standard bet is that he plays from the back tees (the tees we played yesterday) at 7,157, and I play one set up from the gold tees 6,874. He gives me 2 a side when we play that way, and over the last 2.5 years in which we have played several dozen rounds, I would say that he is slightly (55/45?) ahead in the bet. If we always played the black tees together as we did yesterday, I would ask him for another shot on the front, for a total of 5 shots. I would take that bet as “fair” whether we played stroke play or match play due to my overall “steadiness” as a player and the fact that I don’t “blow-up” very often (I rarely make double-bogey or worse).
So that’s approximately a five shot difference in our games on a regular basis. Where do those five shots come from?
1) He’s both longer and (a bit) straighter than I am off the tee, and even though he’s 55 years old, he’s getting longer. He’s longer today than he was three years ago according to him. He’s fitter, stronger, and in overall amazing shape with a well-tuned driver for his swing. He hits the ball in the 270 to 290 range on a regular basis. I hit the ball 245 to 265. That’s a BIG difference.
2) He’s a much more consistent putter than I am, especially from “where it counts”: 4 – 10 feet. (I can putt well from time-to-time, but I have no consistency from week to week, month to month).
3) He’s a much better and more consistent mid to long-iron/hybrid player than I am
4) He’s a much, much better and more consistent fairway wood player than I am (he can hit the ball much higher than I can, when necessary, for instance)
5) He’s a slightly better short iron (PW GW SW LW) player than I am
6) He has a moderately better “normal” short game than I do (basic bunker shots, basic pitch and chip shots)
7) He’s significantly better at short game “specialty shots” than I am (very difficult bunker shots, very difficult lies to very difficult pins, etc). For an amateur, I am quite skilled in that area—certainly better than most “scratch” golfers. He is, though, one of the best on tour at those types of shots. This isn’t a big deal, though, due to the fact that a good player can sometimes go several rounds without ever encountering a shot that requires any type of special talent. When you do have one of those shots, though, it sure helps (and saves strokes) to be an expert.
8) He has a far more stable “mental game” and routine than I do. He simply does the same thing over and over and over. His routine is a beauty to behold, as is his demeanor and steadiness on the course.
So there you have it. The five(ish) strokes per round come from all of those areas combined. Sometimes he beats me by 7, 8, even 9 strokes. Sometimes he beats me be only one stroke. Sometimes (quite rarely), I beat him straight up. Overall, though, it’s about five strokes.
One last thing: The tougher the conditions get, the more his superior skills and length will increase the separation in our games to six, seven or even eight shots on average. Two factors play the biggest role in that separation: Green firmness and rough length, with the more important of those two being green firmness. When the greens get firm, the pros ability to stick their 7-irons close far exceeds mine (and most competitive amateurs) due to their higher club head speed and superior launch characteristics/consistency that allows them to hold greens from tough lies and attack pins that I have to play away from.
We can learn a lot by comparing ourselves to the pros, but we have to be realistic when doing so. Golf is made up of levels. Figure out what level you are at and figure out a way to get to the next level. If you're a "mid-capper" (10 to 15 handicap), figure out how to get to "low handicap" (4 to 9). If you're a low handicapper, figure out how to get to "around scratch" (1 to 3). If you're "around scratch," figure out how to get to club scratch (+ 1 to 1). If you're a club scratch, figure out how to get your game to local/regional tournament level (+ 1 to +3). If you're a local/regional tournament level guy, figure out how to become a true elite amateur.
At every level, there's something for you to work on. Somewhere for you to shave strokes. And to me, the only measuring stick to ever use that makes sense is the best players in the world. You will, of course, never get from 14 to elite amateur or pro in a short time, but why would you ever use anything other than the pros as your ideal? Watch them, dissect their games, learn from them. Understand what different conditions mean. What tournament pressure means. What true short-game mastery means. What "owning" different golf shots means.
There's nothing like this game. Shoot for the stars. Maybe you'll catch the moon....
Thanks for reading. I look forward to your comments!!
Posted Playaway on 10 July 2014 - 12:35 PM
Posted klbrown514 on 06 January 2015 - 02:10 PM
If you can hit the ball into the atmosphere and it never comes down, you deserve to take a drop anywhere you like...
Posted KjBowenWRX on 28 March 2014 - 03:45 PM
First and foremost it is my belief that your bag should be built around your wedges. Many people make the mistake and ask what wedges should I go with if I have room for 2 clubs.. Wedges or shots from 125 and in account for 60-70% of your shots.
The first thing I tell someone who asks me to help them with their short game is...
Are you a full swing player or do you like to control distance with your swing and trajectory?
It is my understanding that players who prefer full swings to hit different yardages will require more wedges. These players generally will go 52/56/60 or 50/55/60.
If you are some one who likes to use the clock system or use trajectory to hit your yardages.. this will allow for less wedges to achieve more yardages.
NEITHER IS WRONG OR BAD
The worst thing you could do is get a wedge set up that goes against your playing style or preference.
So after you have figured out which style player you are you should move on to loft.
What is you PW loft? The thing most people mistake is they must have the same gaps thru out. Yes this is a good STARTING point but should not be the end all be all.
Lets say you play a cast iron set with a cavity back PW at 47* of loft and your first wedge is a forged blade at 52*. Going from a cavity back cast club (harder metal) to a forged blade wedge (softer metal) the blade will more then likely travel less distance.
The biggest thing to be concerned with is how far does the club go? Its is great that everything is spaced out loft wise but if it doesn't equate to consistent yardage gaps it is just for show.
These are the lofts i would suggest for each player type
Full swing player:
PW - 45* PW - 46* PW - 47*
W - 50*/51* W - 51*/52* W - 52*
W - 55*/56* W - 55*/56* W - 56*
W - 60* W - 60*/61* W - 60*
PW - 45* PW - 46* PW - 47*
W - 51* W - 52* W - 52*/53*
W - 57* W - 58* W - 58*/59*
W - 62* W - Optional W - Optional
Once you figure your lofts.. Grinds and bounce should be looked at.
For a baseline:
Steeper..more digging swings require more bounce
Sweeper swings require less bounce
More advanced wedge players sometimes prefer sharper leading edges but if your a digger this can be a disaster.
Most feel players with less wedges generally have moderate bounce and some sort of a heel or back edge relief grind in order to open the face for lob shots. This is a greatly overlooked aspect of wedge selection. People just grab the loft and go. I once helped a player who has a digger and only had a 58* lob wedge. His wedge had 4* of bounce and a sharp leading edge and all he did was chunk it.
The other thing that is a huge aspect of wedge selection is turf you play on and types of sand you play on. There are many many differences in this and require alot of thought but a solid setup for your player type and swing will generally get you by no matter where you play. As a rule.. soft sand is played as more of an explosion shot and bounce is needed to assist in letting the club exit the sand and on hard packed sand its played as more of a standard chip or pitch and less bounce is needed as you will be more or less picking it off the sand more.
Another piece of the wedge selection is shafts. This is also very overlooked. You can change the way the wedge performs by simply moving to a high rev or high spin shaft. For players lacking spin on the less then full wedge shots I suggest trying a higher spinning shaft. Rifle spinner for example. These can really assist you flighting a shot and spinning on shorter shots. Also.. going to a more stiffer shaft can have the opposite effect. If you need less spin this would be the ticket for ya.
Grooves are a very misunderstood aspect of wedges. Grooves have less to do with spin then the quality of the strike from the fairway. Grooves play a much larger role when dealing with the rough. Deeper grooves will allow greater spin from rough then a wedge with shallower grooves. Wedge spin has more to do with the strike and ball selection.
You could have the best wedges with the deepest grooves with great surface roughness and if your hitting a range ball I don't care what you do that ball will not spin back hardly at all. Get a Prov1 and a worn wedge and I bet with the same strike you spin it back 100% farther. The first thing I check or ask when some one tells me I cant spin the ball is I find out the ball they are playing.
I kind of rambled a bit cause I love short game and its kind of a passion of mine but the last thing I want to say it just might be the most important.
If you buy a set of wedges and in 2 weeks say they arent working you just wasted 2 weeks of your life. Wedges take very long time to grow into. New wedges is a commitment and range time and many shots are required to get the proper feel and shot making ability with them. I suggest you get a set of wedges and dedicate some time to them. Every company makes quality wedges.. get some wedges that you like to look at... Get the lofts that fit your yardages and spend some time getting to know them. That is the only way you will grow used to them.
Wedge and Putter play is the best way to lower your scores and handicap.
Thanks for reading my little thread and if this helps one person it was worth my time to write it
Posted TomWishon on 05 September 2014 - 02:24 PM
Because Ping was founded by an engineer and has always in their history been run by an engineer, not anyone who came up from sales or marketing or finance who can get influenced more by marketing and sales trends than by pure science. Karsten knew very early on that 99% of all golfers would play better with some form of cavity back than with a straight out muscleback blade style iron. It's why he invented the first cavity back iron back in the mid to late 60s. And his son John, also an engineer, who has run the company for many years, knows this too. It's also why within the limits of their business model, Ping has always at least tried to do more in the area of custom fitting than any other OEM.
Posted johnnybogey on 24 July 2014 - 09:14 PM
Ok, let's continue going through the bag. Go to reach for my 6 iron and
Wait for it
Wait for it
Damn. That WAS my 6 iron.
Posted Forged4ever on 08 January 2015 - 09:47 PM
This man's name was Gary Ellis, and I've spoken of him in a few other threads and he was our Head Pro and also greatly involved with Junior Golf, both on the local and National level, and his involvement, influence and Leadership would lead to his being selected as the 1987 National PGA Pro of the Year. He also was one of the Hogan Company's top Class A Staffers in their stable. To me, he was larger than life. He could enter a room, any room, and it and those in it were his, to do with as he wished. I'm talking a room full of Alphas- CEO's, Physicians, it didn't matter.
And it wasn't like many do, ala David Feherty or Fuzzy, who always try to be witty or amusing, and many times don't know when to "turn it off." Nope, he was 6'1", 210 lbs, nice looking and a great command presence.
Anyhoo, it was Friday April 11, 1975, the day before my birthday, and I was home for the weekend(I went away to school from 7th grade through HS graduation, and I chose to go to this school as my Grandfather graduated from there) cuz of my birthday and my Mother dropped me off at the club to hit some balls and I was going to play with Gary and my Father when my Father was finished with work. So I walk back to Gary's office and when I saw that he was on the phone, I waved and was going to keep going to get my clubs off of the rack when he motioned with his finger/hand, as in "wait a minute," and then he said, "sure," and he held the phone away from his mouth, told me that he was on hold and said to go get my clubs, throw em on a cart, then come back to his office.
I did just that and after throwing them on a cart outside of the shop then I went to his office, and he was listening to whomever was on the line and then he said, "well, here's Richard," and he held the phone out towards me and said, "here, say hello."
Having no idea who was on the other end of the line, I said simply, "Hello," and a deep voice said, "Hello Richard, and Happy Birthday, this is Ben Hogan." I looked at Gary with What he later described as a "deer in the headlights" look, lol, and I just said "Thank You very much Mr. Hogan."
He then chuckled and said that he understood that I played Staff. I again looked to Gary and he was just sitting there smiling at me though he had no idea what Mr. Hogan was saying. I quickly explained that my Grandmother had always given me her irons when she got a new set, and he laughed again and said something to the effect that Gary would have to see that my next set were Hogans. I just said "Yes sir" like a dumb a**, lol.
He then said, "Well, enjoy your Birthday and practice hard"
I said "Thank You Mr. Hogan and You have a great day," and he kind of chuckled and said, "every day is a great day Richard," and I then handed the phone back to Gary, smiled and gave him a thumbs up and I went into the Pro Shop where he joined us in about five minutes. We high fived and then I went down to hit balls and then the three of us went out and played.
The shame of it is that while it was really cool to speak to Mr. Hogan, I know that I did not appreciate then as to exactly who it was that I was speaking to. I have often wondered how different the conversation might have been had had it occurred when I was 35, 45 or this upcoming April.
Though those around the club, friends and family know of the phone call, and Gary arranged for others to speak to Mr. Hogan, mostly Junior golfers and Younger guys, I thought with the upcoming re-introduction of the Hogan irons, this was as good a time as any to tell the story
Oh well, it was probably my most memorable Birthday phone call and wishes.
Have a nice evening Gals/Gents
Posted MtlJeff on 23 June 2013 - 04:27 PM
Posted ABgolfer2 on 29 August 2014 - 12:39 PM