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Wunder: How to fix the biggest hole in my bag
There is a section of my golf bag that has caused me more problems in the last three years than at any point in my life. It used to be a section that I had dialed in. VERY dialed in. It’s the section between 3-wood and 5-iron. From a distance gapping perspective, that section represents (in carry) 235 to 195. 195 is my current 5-iron number, and it has been that number for a long time. I hate it, so I’m gonna fix it.
It used to be so easy. For the first 10 years of my playing career, it was 2, 3, and 4-iron. Simple right?
In 2005-2006, I swapped the 2-iron for a 5-wood, added a wedge (from 54/60 to 52/56/60), and lost the 3-iron to make room. It was in that initial swapping that the problem began.
Now, 15 years later, that problem has turned into a complete abyss of doubt, confusion, and damn near Jekyll and Hyde performance.
To give you an idea of what I have done to find a recipe that works, these are the combos I’ve gone through—just in the past two years.
- Dr/3/5/7
- Dr/4/7
- Dr/3/5/4H
- Dr/3/5/3H
- Dr/3/5/3H/4H
As you can see, it’s all over the map.
In that time, the wedge set up has done its own flip-flop through a number of configurations
- 52/56/60
- 50/55/60/64
- 52/58/64
- 53/60
- 52/58
- 51/56/61
You can see how one part of the bag that doesn’t work can affect so much. I’m a good wedge player and play my best when I’m in a simple 52/56/60 setup. I’ve never questioned that—I do now.
Point is, I just want a bag that represents a fixed point of consistency so I can actually play golf and not manage golf.
Make sense?
And yes, I’ve been fit—multiple times, by the best of the best, but that still has yet to solve that problem.
What are the core problems here?
The issues I have are versatility, spin, and harmony. For example, I had a 7-wood I LOVED but it went too far, I had a 4-iron that flew perfectly, but I had one shot with it (no versatility). I had multiple 5-woods but some flew great and some went too far.
Point is, it’s a mess. I would stand on long par 3’s or second shots into par 5’s, and unless it was a perfect number for each club, I found myself chipping a 5-wood or trying to reef on a 4-iron. Yes, I understand that happens, but the margin for error was nil. We live in an age where the margin for error should be a no brainer. Clubs do it all these days. So like my good friend Ian Fraser has said
“If you don’t have time to change your swing, let the clubs do it for you”
My plan of action
So here is the plan. I’m going to start with the clubs I KNOW I hit well. “Hitting it well,” in this case, means consistent yardage, face contact, and playability.
For me that looks like:
- Driver: 275-280 carry
- 3-wood: 245-250 carry
- 5-iron: 195 carry
- 6-iron: 180 carry
- 7-iron: 165 carry
- 8-iron: 150 carry
- 9-iron: 135 carry
- PW: 125 carry
- 52: 110 carry
- 56: 100 carry
- 60: 85 carry
So after the putter that leaves me 2 clubs that need to do so much.
- Need to fill a 50-yard gap
- Need to be an off-the-tee option
- I need to have confidence in them
- Need to have a ridiculous amount of versatility
So I’m going hunting, and I won’t stop until that part is sorted. My hunch is, once I solidify that part, my bag will actually be a set of tools and not 11 tools, a putter, and two monkey wrenches.
I’ll update this as I go, but I’m giving myself a time limit to get it right. August 15, 2020, and that’s it.
Here we go.
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- Steve Stricker WITB accurate as of the Zurich Classic. More photos from the event here.
Driver: Titleist TSR3 (9 degrees, C4 SureFit setting)
Shaft: Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 7.2 X
3-wood: Titleist 915F (13.5 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 80 TX
Hybrid: Titleist 816 H1 (17 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 9.2 X
Irons: Titleist T200 (3, 4), Titleist T100 (5-9)
Shafts: Project X 6.5
Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM8 (46-10F @55), Titleist Vokey SM10 (54-10S @53), Titleist Vokey SM4 (60 @59)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 w/Sensicore
Putter: Odyssey White Hot No. 2
Ball: Titleist Pro V1x
Grips: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Grip Rite
Check out more in-hand photos of Steve Stricker’s clubs here.
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- Alex Fitzpatrick what’s in the bag accurate as of the Zurich Classic.
Driver: Ping G430 LST (10.5 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X
3-wood: TaylorMade Qi10 (15 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus TR Black 7 X
Hybrid: Ping G430 (19 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black HB 10 TX
Irons: Ping iCrossover (2), Titleist T100 (4-PW)
Shafts: Fujikura Ventus Black HB 9 TX (2), Nippon N.S. Pro Modus 3 Tour 120 X (4-9)
Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM10 (50-12F, 56-12D, 60-08M)
Shafts: Nippon N.S. Pro Modus 3 Tour 120 X
Putter: Bettinardi SS16 Dass
Grips: Golf Pride MCC
Check out more in-hand photos of Alex Fitzpatrick’s clubs here.
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In our forums, our members have been discussing Mini-Drivers and accompanying shafts. WRXer ‘JamesFisher1990’ is about to purchase a BRNR Mini and is torn on what shaft weight to use, and our members have been sharing their thoughts and set ups in our forum.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- PARETO: “New BRNR at 13.5. Took it over to TXG (Club Champ but TXG will always rule) in Calgary for a fit. Took the head down to 12, stuck in a Graphite Design AD at 3 wood length and 60g. Presto- numbers that rivaled my G430Max but with waaaaay tighter dispersion. Win.”
- driveandputtmachine: “Still playing a MIni 300. The head was only 208, so I ordered a heavier weight and play it at 3 wood length. I am playing a Ventus Red 70. I play 70 grams in my fairways. I use it mainly to hit draws off the tee. When I combine me, a driver, and trying to hit a draw it does not work out well most of the time. So the MIni is for that. As an aside, I have not hit the newest BRNR, but the previous model wasn’t great off the deck. The 300 Mini is very good off the deck.”
- JAM01: “Ok, just put the BRNR in the bag along side a QI10 max and a QI10 3 wood. A load of top end redundancy. But, I have several holes at my two home courses where the flight and accuracy of the mini driver helps immensely. Mine is stock Proforce 65 at 13.5, I could see a heavier shaft, but to normal flex, as a nice alternative.”
Entire Thread: “What’s the perfect Mini-Driver/Shaft combo? – GolfWRXers discuss”
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Jon Fresnerdur
Nov 6, 2021 at 5:01 pm
Is this to illustrate how far you hit it
Paul McLoughlin
Jan 23, 2021 at 7:39 pm
Its a complicated end of the bag, whereas much more simple at the wedge end. At the yardage zone you are grappling with, you must, as i found, consider distance obv, carry, ease of use or consistency, tee and/or fairway needs, wind. For me, no point being a slave to carry, because for eg, at those distances, if you have to carry water are you not better laying up?. You need to able to hit consistent shots, and in my case deal with wind. no point in filling this gap with an unusable club or an inconsistent one.
Doctor Hook
Jan 7, 2021 at 10:08 pm
I fill a similar gap in my bag with a Cobra utility iron (super consistent shot shape and distance, good from tee and fairway) and my secret weapon- a Cobra one-length 18deg hybrid (epitome of versatility- I could play a round with it alone and still card a respectable score). It’s not perfect, but nothing is / can be in golf.
Wkndhkr
Dec 18, 2020 at 10:03 pm
I’ve been golfing for iver a full year now so I’m no expert but I thought this was just the game. I had no idea that the clubs had to beautifully line up with no gaps for any distance from the shortest to longest. I’m slightly facetious when I say it but if it were that simple wouldn’t we all be on tour. If tour players have this problem, why can’t we? If tour players don’t have this problem and we do, maybe it’s because we aren’t as good as them. I’m just a noob but why not just deal with the gap. You said your wedges are pretty good. Just come up short and use the wedge.
James Clark
Dec 12, 2020 at 10:06 pm
I am feeling pretty blessed right now. I live in Sacramento, Ca. We have a wonderful golf facility that allows customers to take any club to the driving range for a test drive. You would just have to keep trying different manufacturers until you found the club that gave you the distance you wanted.
Matt
Sep 28, 2020 at 9:57 pm
Are there any updates planned to this piece? I find myself struggling in the same area of the bag and would love to hear the progress made, if any.
Seth
Nov 25, 2020 at 2:10 pm
I am intrigued to know how this worked out too…
Paul
Dec 10, 2020 at 10:33 am
I have a similar set up. The two clubs for me that fill that gap are:
5 wood: 230-240 carry
7 wood:: 200-210 carry
Good luck
Bernard Fitton
Jul 28, 2020 at 4:26 pm
Try the new Callaway super hybrid 3 or the old Adams super hybrid 3 and add a long 4 iron like the Mavrik or TM P790. Maybe an adjustable hybrid 3 like the epic flash hybrid, can change the face angle to open if you tend to hit hybrids left and can adjust the loft to manage distance gaps.
Pelling
Jul 27, 2020 at 9:58 am
Amazingly, if you just went to 7 clubs, you’d probably score the same.
Driver
3 hybrid
5 iron
7 iron
9 iron
56 wedge
Putter
Jaybee
Jul 26, 2020 at 9:42 am
Bro, this is the perfect opportunity for the Taylormade GAPR MID! Not quite a hybrid, not quite a driving iron. Great flight. Workable. Use off the tee. SPEEDFOAM. Great deals online. Adjustable. Conversation starter.
Heck, the name alone speaks for itself! GAPr
Dennis Beach
Jul 26, 2020 at 8:19 am
Like Brendan H said, fill it in with 2 hybrids that you can have workable distances you can use. There are plenty of mfg’s out there, and you don’t have to play “big brands” to get what you want. Try some of the lesser known brands,as there are some that mfr nothing but hybrids. We’re so hung up on playing what the pro’s play, that we miss the big picture for our own game. I have a few club’s in my bag that are not big brands, but I would not trade those clubs for a set of big names for the world.
Dennis
Jul 26, 2020 at 1:10 am
Could you please add the loft of your woods and irons.
Chungus
Dec 18, 2020 at 1:17 am
True… I agree
DelacruzC5D
Jul 25, 2020 at 11:33 pm
I wish I had your issue…but I can understand the dilemma…
IF, I had your 50 yard gap, and wanted a tee club (which I am assuming is the next club in progression after the 3w), then I would consider a higher spinning 7w or 2/3H that protects against bombs. The guys at TXG just did their final video of “The Fairway Wood Bracket”, and while the SIM blew most everything out of the water, the Mizuno ST200 and Tour Edge Exotic had a higher spin rate, which seemed to regulate the distance. However, I’m not so sure you would want to hit that into the wind…but then I guess I would hit a 3 wood in that situation (which I assume is a low spin bomber).
As far as the next club, my guess/recommendation would be a 4H…but with a steel shaft. I had struggled with hybrids for a long time, and it wasn’t until I read about Web Simpson’s steel shafted 4H that made me try it. It went from my worst club in my bad to my favorite one. It’s now a club that I can hit low and high. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a fairly easy and inexpensive thing to do, so if it’s a flop, it’s not a bank breaker. If the steel is too heavy, then try something like a NS GOST hybrid shaft.
Those be me two bits
Ben
Jul 25, 2020 at 2:14 pm
I think the easier spot is the 4 iron option, I’d go driving iron for that. I personally use Titleist tmb and find it versatile and quite Useful in many situations. There are many of those types of clubs out there.
Andrew K
Jul 25, 2020 at 2:08 pm
I agree with the 3H and 4H combo noted above. I have the same set up and it works really well for me.
Ben
Jul 25, 2020 at 2:07 pm
I ha e similar numbers as you though I found something that works as a 4 iron which is the Titleist tmb (I have 718-4 iron). This fills the 205-210 spot well and has good flexibility with cuts and draws. Several of those types of clubs out there. More options than a 4 iron and for me better than a hybrid for trajectory control. The longer club which would either be 5 wood/7 wood or 2 hybrid maybe, I went Titleist u510 2 iron and it’s working well, it’s probably 225 carry, maybe 230 if I step on it. I tend to hook hybrids so I went that way. It’s an option.
Rick
Jul 25, 2020 at 8:43 am
I had a similar distance range issue – I hated my old 3i, and needed something that flew 215 to 230 (I have similar distance to the poster)…
I HATE hybrids. So I went on eBay and purchased a semi mint condition Honma Extra 90 4 wood (persimmon).
It. Is. Clutch.
Perfect flight. Workable. Not a ton of roll out.
Try the old stuff. The materials take away the extra distance the new clubs usually add, slotting you into the gap you need.
Henri
Jul 25, 2020 at 6:55 am
Srixon U85 4 iron and a 7 wood/hybrid?
Seth
Jul 25, 2020 at 12:53 am
Seems like a 3H and 4H/4i should do the trick. Maybe even throw a graphite shaft in the 4i if you wanted.
Similar to my setup.
Driver: 265 carry
3W: 240 carry
3H: 220 carry
4i: 205 carry
5i: 195 carry
6i: 185 carry
7i: 175 carry
8i: 160 carry
9i: 150 carry
PW: 140 carry
50: 120 carry
54: 105 carry
62: 85 carry/95 carry pressed
P: 6in short and pulled left
Steve
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:38 pm
This describes my bag confusion perfectly, except for the 5 iron 195 part. I’m constantly swapping out that part of the bag. This last week I went back to D, 5w, 3-P, 52/56/60. If I’d left the drive in the bag and just stuck with the 5w on my last round I probably would have saved 5-6 strokes. Also, why do so many people on this site have such rotten attitudes? Why are they here?
Loved the article.
Brendan H
Jul 24, 2020 at 8:39 pm
Seems like a pretty simple solution. Two hybrids. 215 carry with the first and 225 carry with the second. 230 with the second would also be fine as long as your landing angle is acceptable. I let my longest hybrid bunch just slightly with my shorter one since I get more rollout from the longer one. Total yardage gaps are appropriately spaced…
Make sure you take the Mavrik Pro hybrids for a serious test. They are superb, even with the stock shafts.
rog
Jul 25, 2020 at 10:44 am
This is exactly what I did. Experiment is working out so far. Got fitted for a 22 and 19 degree SIM hybrids that hit the numbers I needed.
Chungus
Dec 18, 2020 at 1:20 am
Can you explain your hybrid comment more. I don’t get what you mean by bunch?
Gianni sucks
Jul 24, 2020 at 7:17 pm
As Director of Original content, this content sucks. Why do I care about your bag and yardages?
John Wunder
Jul 24, 2020 at 8:00 pm
I would suggest you stop reading any articles with my name on it. I seem to write stuff you hate. Just a thought.
Jordan Evans
Jul 26, 2020 at 9:04 pm
Why should you care? Because the issue he is facing is the same issue that I’ve been trying to figure out and there are probably many others in the same situation.
The conversational style in which he addresses the issue draws people in and creates a discussion. It also helps others that maybe are struggling with the gapping issue to know that they are not alone or weird or stupid for not having figured this out themselves. Both of which help to create a community.
Communities have cultures too. One thing I respond well to is feeling welcomed and respected.
Your comment seems selfish and rude to me. Perhaps you don’t feel you’re getting what you need from this community. I’d encourage you to search for others that may give you more of what you need. I’m sure there are some that would be a better fit and I wish you well in finding them. Until then please don’t disrespect the moderators or members of this community anymore.
Acemandrake
Jul 24, 2020 at 7:04 pm
Driving iron (or GI iron) AND a Hybrid