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Golf Movie Madness: Semifinals

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There were, in our opinion at least, no upsets in the first round of Golf Movie Madness. Indeed, none of the matchups were even close.

Before we get into the quarterfinal action, here’s a look at the “scoring” from the initial eight-team showdown.

Game 1: Tin Cup (75%) vs. The Legend of Bagger Vance (25%)

Game 2: The Greatest Game Ever Played (78%) vs. Bobby Jones: Stroke of Genius (22%)

Game 3: Happy Gilmore (76%) vs. Dead Solid Perfect (24%)

Game 4: Caddyshack (95%) vs. A Gentleman’s Game (5%)

Like in the round of 8 matches, we’ll leave voting open for 48 hours. At that time, we’ll determine the winners and lock in the final showdown.

We’re anticipating some intense competition in this round!

Semifinal bracket

Semifinal 1

Tin Cup

Roy McAvoy (Kevin Costner) is a washed-up golf pro now turned instructor who falls for his latest pupil (Rene Russo) who just happens to be the girlfriend of PGA Tour great and enemy of McAvoy, David Simms (Don Johnson). Embarrassed by Simms at an exhibition, McAvoy decides to return to the game and make a run at the U.S. Open.

The Greatest Game Ever Played

Working-class immigrant Francis Ouimet (Shia LaBeouf) in employed as a caddie at the exclusive Brookline Country Club where he works on his game in his off-time. Fighting class boundaries, Ouimet enters the 1913 U.S. Open where he competes against his childhood hero Harry Vardon (Stephen Dillane).

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Semifinal 2

Happy Gilmore

Ice Hockey wannabe Happy Gilmore (Adam Sandler) finds he has a talent for golf and in learning that his grandmother (Frances Bay) is on the verge of losing her house he joins a tournament to win the money for her. Disrupting the applecart with his foulmouth and unorthodox approach, and armed with a big drive but poor putting, Gilmore must take down his greatest foe Shooter McGavin (Christopher McDonald).

Caddyshack

Danny Noonan (Michael O’Keefe) works as a caddie at an exclusive golf club in an effort to fund his education. Eccentric club members, a gopher running riot and all-out chaos ensue in this golf film classic which features the likes of Bill Murray, Chevy Chase and Rodney Dangerfield.

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  1. Oldman

    Mar 22, 2020 at 11:59 pm

    Dead solid perfect?

  2. ray arcade

    Mar 22, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    Tragic that ‘Caddyshack’ and ‘Happy Gilmore’ had to meet in the semis. It would have been an epic final….

  3. Johnny Newbern

    Mar 22, 2020 at 9:47 am

    Fun piece. I would be good with more stuff like this on the site. Best swing on tour, best swagger all time, etc. Everyone loves voting in march madness type polls.

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Golf’s Perfect Imperfections: Task to target

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In this week’s episode: How having a target will improve your direction and contact you have with the ball.

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In this episode, host Ryan talks about a recent experience of playing poor golf and what it took from an equipment perspective to get his game back on track.

The talk is wide-ranging and offers an inside look at what equipment tweaks or experiments might help you play better golf—or get you out of a rut.

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From the GolfWRX Vault: How far should you hit your golf clubs?

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Editor’s note: Jaacob Bowden‘s 2013 piece on how far a club “ought” to carry based on clubhead speed—i.e. how far you should hit your golf clubs–remains one of our most widely read pieces (thanks, Google search). And while seven years have passed since its publication, the data remains the same, and thus the piece remains just as relevant today. 

We’re happy to crack open the GolfWRX Vault for this excellent bit of writing. 


One of the nice things about having all this new fancy technological equipment like Trackman, Flightscope, ShotLink, etc., at various PGA Tour events is that distance data can be gathered for each of the players.

In case you haven’t come across it already, here are the approximate Trackman carry distance averages for men at the professional level.

Average PGA Tour Carry Distances (yards)

Club Carry
Driver (Total) 289
Driver (Carry) 269
3-Wood 243
5-Wood 230
Hybrid 225
3-Iron 212
4-Iron 203
5-Iron 194
6-Iron 183
7-Iron 172
8-Iron 160
9-Iron 148
PW 136

Pretty cool info. Perhaps they hit it farther than you might have thought…or maybe they hit less than you may have been lead to believe based on what you’ve seen on TV, read on the internet, etc.

Since I deal a lot with swing speed training and helping people in general hit the ball farther, a relatively common question I get is, “How far should I hit my clubs for my swing speed?”

Well, since we also know that the average driver swing speed on Tour typically runs around 112 to 113 mph, using a bit of algebra and the above distances we can approximate a guide for how far you could expect to hit the ball (assuming fairly consistent and solid contact) given your personal driver swing speed.

Here are those carry distances.

Approximate Carry Distances by Driver Swing Speed (mph)

 Approximate Carry Distances by Driver Swing Speed (mph)

I took the ranges down to 60 and 70 mph because those are swing speeds I’ll encounter when working with some amateur women and seniors. I also went up to 140 mph because numerous long drivers I’ve trained can get their drivers up that high (RE/MAX World Long Drive champions like Joe Miller, Jamie Sadlowski and Ryan Winther can actually reach over 150 mph).

Aside from using the chart as a general reference point, here are a few other things that I think are worth pointing out:

First, these numbers are based off how the average Tour player strikes the ball. Although Tour players are overall good ball strikers with all their clubs, most of them are actually not as efficient (the Tour average is about 2.58 yards/mph of swing speed) as they can be when it comes to distance with their drivers because on average they hit drives that launch too low and with too much spin.

LGPA Tour players (2.65 yards/mph of swing speed) and Professional Long Drivers are actually more distance efficient with their drivers…but that’s a topic for another article. The good news for you is that greater carry and total-driving distances can be achieved at all the range of swing speeds shown above if you are a more efficient driver than the average male tour player at 2.58 yards/mph of swing speed.

With a 2-degree change in driver loft and some minor adjustments made to his swing path, angle of attack, etc, one of my amateur students went from being an already above-average efficient driver at 2.61 yards/mph to an extremely efficient one at 2.75 yards/mph. So with no change to his 102 mph swing speed, he increased his driving distance average from 266 to 280. Then after some swing speed training, he got up to 112 mph and can now hit drives around 307 yards with that same efficiency of 2.75 yards/mph. That’s 41 more yards!

Second, the club distances are based on the driver swing speeds that you would get from a system like FlightScope and Trackman. So if at all possible, get yourself checked on one of those. Otherwise, if you measure with something like a Speed Stik (which measure higher in my experience), you could get a false sense of how far you might expect to hit the ball.

As another example, Sports Sensors Swing Speed Radars (SSR) also read faster. It should be pointed out that SSRs are still a great personal training aid, and because of their accuracy and relative affordability and portability, they are actually the radar I recommend in my swing speed training programs.

However, the Doppler radar in an SSR measures the fastest moving part of the club head (typically the toe) versus a Trackman or FlightScope, which each have proprietary algorithms to calculate the speed at the center of the club face. For this reason, SSRs will read about 5 to 12 percent faster, depending on how you as an individual move the driver through impact. If you have an SSR, just hit 5 to 10 balls with it and a Trackman or FlightScope at the same time and you’ll find out your personal difference for sake of comparison.

Third, the above numbers can be useful for a good general reference, but like I mentioned in my article about understand distance variance, recognize that carry distances can vary a lot depending on conditions. Slopes, wind, temperature, altitude, etc., are all things that can affect how far the ball flies, so remember to factor that in.

Fourth, keep in mind potential loft differences between your clubs and the ones here. As a general rule of thumb, club manufacturers have made their club lofts (especially in the irons) continually stronger over the years as a way of marketing and selling consumers the new clubs.

Many top Tour players are being paid to play the latest clubs, which could mean they might also be playing irons with stronger lofts than the set you are playing. This isn’t always the case, however, but it’s another thing to be aware of.

Last, once you start approaching less than 80 mph with the driver, notice how the distances start bunching up between clubs.  At this point, you start getting to an area where you really don’t need a full set of 14 clubs. If this is you, perhaps you might also find that you hit a 3-wood or 5-wood further than a normal driver.

My wife is very strong and athletic, however, as a beginner who doesn’t play or practice very much, she hasn’t developed much swing speed. For that reason, we got her fitted for a 9-club set of Wishon 730CLs, a set that is designed specifically for men and women with less than 80 mph of club head speed.

The shafts are very light, the driver is 16 degrees and only 42 inches, the fairway woods are 20 and 26 degrees (versus the commonly used 15- and 19-degree fairway woods), and the remaining hybrids/irons are gapped out in 6-degree loft increments (compared to the normal 3- or 4-degree). Also, since many beginners, lesser skilled players and those with slower swing speeds can struggle with really high lofted wedges, the highest lofted wedge in the set is 54 degrees.

All of these things combine to provide a driver that can actually be hit in the air for distance, clubs that have substantial distance gapping, plus it’s just less clubs in general to lug around and choose from.

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