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Forum Thread of the Day: “Hitting blades better than game improvement irons?”



Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from BobaDefett who has found that he is hitting his friend’s blade irons better than he is his own game improvement irons. Perplexed by the situation, BobaDefett asks WRXers for some answers, who as always, shine some light on the issue.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • Z1ggy16: “IMO forgiveness is overrated. Learn how to play golf instead. I’m not saying total hacks should play blades but if you’ve got a pretty decent swing, but maybe your short game suffers, or you can tend to stall the hips and hit hooks sometimes… it’s no reason to force yourself into playing big old shovels.”
  • Sean2: “I have a friend who went from the M2’s to the MP-20s. He hits the MP-20s much better. Handicap dropped quite a bit too.”
  • BB28403: “I think learning to play with blades with cure more faults that are covered up by cavity back super game improvers. An iron that causes the ball to go straight even on a mishit is a false sense of security. Like learning how to bowl with the bumpers on.”
  • Captain_Black: “I think a lot of it is to do with the clubhead offset. A GI iron will typically have twice as much (or more) offset than a players iron, couple this with a strong grip (like I have) produces all manner of weird shots with a GI iron (usually a hook).”
  • GWfool: “For me, mentally looking at a larger head makes me feel like I have too much real estate. I had this problem with a set of Epon 703s. Thin top-line and everything but the blade length was long and made the face seem huge. I also don’t like a large sole. Whether any of that is scientific, I have no idea, but confidence goes a long way in this game.”

Entire Thread: “Hitting blades better than game improvement irons?”

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Jan 13, 2020 at 5:51 pm

    Blades aren’t over-rated; working the ball is.

    With clubs that hit it higher, but with less spin, it’s easier to attack pins more directly and harder to shape the shot.

    You don’t learn to hit the sweet spot with a smaller sweet spot. That’s like putting a kid on a bike for the first time, but without training wheels or a parent running along side. Oh, and the bike is a performance model with ultra-thin tires and touchy brakes. You’ll be digging that kid out of the pavement every 20 feet or so.

    You learn from your successes. You can only learn from your failures if you know why you failed. But pounding shots with blades–or any other time–alone doesn’t do that. In fact, it could cause you to be ultra-careful and not learn to hit with power.

    I don’t care what anyone plays. But to suggest that performance irons are better for high-handicap players than game-improvement irons is just ridiculous. In fact, they’re really not better for anyone–unless you want to bring back wound balls with balata covers.

  2. Rascal

    Jan 13, 2020 at 3:25 pm

    Instead of taco Tuesdays, can we have another blade thread wednesdays?

  3. Rich Douglas

    Dec 29, 2019 at 10:56 am

    First, I really don’t care what someone else plays.

    Second, I see a lot of people playing clubs that have, clearly, not been fitted for them. So it really doesn’t matter what those people play.

    Third, playing a blade doesn’t make you a better ball-striker. It can make your misses worse, but it won’t make you put it on the sweet spot more often. That’s not how people learn.

    Fourth, the only advantage of blades is the purposeful miss, the desire to curve the ball left or right. The vast majority of players have no business doing this, and they do not need the unintended consequences that come with it.

    Fifth, if you think you play better with blades, fine. But that’s in your head. And if you can’t get that out of your head, you’ve probably got a lot of other nonsense locked up in there, too.

    Finally, did I mention that I don’t really care what others play? Go have fun already.

  4. ActualFacts

    Dec 28, 2019 at 10:27 am

    Buy what you want. Play what you want. Enjoy…

    • A. Commoner

      Jan 14, 2020 at 9:03 am

      AcFac……Great post! Says it all. My life is not effected by what clubs my neighbor plays. Let dreamers and pretenders freely choose. Let the equipment curious and experimenters have their fun.

  5. Jim A

    Dec 28, 2019 at 9:18 am

    My MP68s were finally on my last Grove, so I replaced them with 0311Ts (looking to regain some distance lost over the past 30 years). Watched my handicap balloon from 4 to 7. Switched to P790s, but my handicap continued to climb (to a 9). I then dug out an old set of MP33s, played them for two months and my handicap dropped to a 6.

    I have a few theories for this. But the biggest reason is that with blades, I always know where the center of the face is. And every time I hit the center of the face, they carry the exact same distance. Blades never surprise me, so I can feel confident being aggressive or taking calculated risks when I need to.

    My new set for next season is the 620MB/CB blended.

  6. Joshua Martin

    Dec 28, 2019 at 5:42 am

    When i golfed 4 times a week I could hit any shot with any club and played blades. Now 15 years of marriage and 3 kids later I have Cobra One Length irons… Its always the Indian not the Arrows but an old Indian, out of his prime as a hunter, with a 30/30, has a better chance at getting dinner.

  7. Daniel Whitehurst

    Dec 28, 2019 at 4:46 am

    Ok, I’ll settle this for you all. If you can’t break 80 every time, playing blades is totally pointless. About 1/2 the tour plays them. They also don’t make a bad player better by forcing them to hit it solid. Most average players have no idea what to do to get better no matter what club you give them to hit. Trust me, I’m a fitter, instructor and a +2 index. High MOI clubs only improve accuracy slightly. What they do do is make miss hits not go as short as blades by having a larger max speed area, large sole for height and reduced effect of hitting it fat. Forged clubs have huge distance control due to slower ball speeds and high spin, like a wedge. Look at that you can hit a bad shot solid with any club and can hit a straight miss hit with anything. Most players don’t practice and just want to have fun, with immediate preformance returns with more forgiveness. If this theory of playing blades when not ideal teaches you how to be better then why are these proponents of this playing a high MOI , 460cc driver? You always will need to work shorts, change trajectory, distance and spin as an advanced player. But the AP2 is the most used iron on tour for a reason and it’s not a blade.

    • Richo

      Dec 28, 2019 at 6:52 pm

      This sort of response from someone who says they’re a fitter is irritating. People who go to you for advice are going to hear rubbish like “pros don’t use blades so you shouldn’t”. It’s such a narrow minded OEM driven load of rubbish. Everyone is different and deserve to be treated as such. I’ve tried GI irons on so many occasions and I do NOT score better with them over blades and I am not a regular sub 80’s golfer. I hit blades MUCH better than GI or SGI irons and they are far more reliable and confidence building because I know how far they are going to go and I can allow for miss hits if needed. Pro’s use GI or non bladed irons because they need to hit exact numbers too. They want to hit it 164 but I don’t need to. I need to hit it 164 +/- 5m and I hit that window with blades MUCH more often than with GI irons. GI also don’t help if you have bad face to path control so if that’s your problem, GI irons will offer you nothing over blades. Bad advice in the industry is everywhere and unless you think about the detail, you’re just on the train with everyone else that’s just average.

      • gwelfgulfer

        Dec 28, 2019 at 8:36 pm

        Pro’s can play anything under the sun and still hit the numbers needed, because they are that good, have a consistent, REPEATABLE swing. The vast, VAST majority of golfers do not have this, and honestly can’t even dream about it. WRX is a community of golfers who are above average in their interest and ‘wokeness’ about the industry and equipment. The total members on this site is like 4% of the golfers in NA alone. So as much as each is an ‘individual’, blanket statements can and will be made because there is strong merit behind them. Bad advice is in the industry, just like telling a 20+ capper to play blades because he/she likes the looks, but in 5 swings will hit the ball on 6 different places on the club face…

      • Kourt

        Dec 28, 2019 at 10:33 pm

        If you are inferring that blades somehow hit a ball more consistently than a GI iron then you are mistaken. Either club when hit perfect every time will fly the exact same distance. Mis hits will fly further with GI than with a blade, but in my studies with trackman and gc quad and a swing robot, once you get above 42 degrees in loft perimeter weighting doesn’t hardly give you any better performance than a blade does on mis hits because it’s such a glancing blow at that loft you don’t lose much distance. But the lower the loft the more important forgiveness becomes. I’ve seen as much as a 20 yard difference in 5 iron carry distance between a miss hit with a blade vs an identical lofted blade.

      • BuntFiletsAllDay

        Jan 5, 2020 at 11:46 am


  8. robert

    Dec 27, 2019 at 6:29 pm

    You might focus more with such a small sweet spot. You’ll spin the ball more that could add stopping power on the green. Chip and runs would probably be easier and they’ll look better in your hands and in your bag. You should also be able to work the ball more too. The flip side is slight misses will be penalized with greater distance loss and more spin means less distance overall. If you don’t need the extra distance and you consistently hit the center of the face than it’s a winner. IMHO you should be able to break 80 more often than not if you’re considering playing blades. The majority of tour pros aren’t playing blades. That should tell you something…

  9. Matt

    Dec 27, 2019 at 4:08 pm

    This is my situation to a tee! Switched to MP-20’s and dropped so many strokes that i went from mid/upper 90’s to consistent 80’s since their release!

  10. Jeremy

    Dec 27, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    It’s usually because the blades have heavier shafts in them which helps low-point control.

    • geohogan

      Dec 30, 2019 at 9:36 pm

      @jeremy, agree that the shaft is much more important than the head.

      Bigger or smaller, this shape or that, iron heads are a mass of metal.

      IMO, it is the shaft that will make the difference in consistency, shot shaping,
      ball control and ability to groove a swing.

  11. Max R.

    Dec 27, 2019 at 12:45 pm

    Ten years ago when I got fitted for my Titlist irons and after back-and-forth switching of shafts and heads, the Titlist fitter told me that my making much better solid and consistent contact with the AP2s than the AP1s. He agreed that the differing offset and head size may have contributed to my eventual choice to AP2. Love them.

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New for 2020: Cleveland Golf Smart Sole 4 wedges



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Cleveland Golf has unveiled its new Smart Sole 4 wedges featuring three new models all of which contain an extra-wide sole with extra leading edge bounce in a design to ensure crisp, clean contact and better stability.

The Smart Sole 4 wedges all feature an extra-wide three-tiered sole, with added leading edge bounce, in a bid to provide maximum forgiveness from the fairway, rough or out of the bunker.

Cleveland Smart Sole Wedge S sole

The new additions also contain upgraded Feel Balancing Technology which sees the redistribution of weight from the hosel to allow the center of gravity to be moved closer to the center of the clubface in design for improved feel and greater consistency.

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The Smart Sole 4 wedges feature new aggressive milled grooves that look to generate better spin performance from all conditions.

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Cleveland’s Smart Sole 4 wedges arrive in three different models – the C model (42°), G model, (50°), and S model (58°). According to the company, the introduction of the G model aims to provide full-shot capability and extensive versatility to go along with the S and C models.

The new additions for 2020 arrive in right and left-handed options as well as Men’s and Women’s offerings.

Cleveland’s Smart Sole 4 wedges hit retail on February 7, 2020, and are priced at $119.99 MAP for Men’s Steel and $129.99 for Men’s Graphite, while the Women’s Smart Sole 4 wedges are priced at $119.99 MAP for graphite.


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Puma introduces Ignite PWRADAPT Caged footwear



2020 Puma Ignite PWRADAPT Caged

Puma Golf has introduced its new Ignite PWRADAPT Caged footwear featuring a new PWRCAGE saddle unit designed to provide locked-in stability.

The Ignite Pwradapt Caged is designed to provide maximum comfort and a perfect fit and contains the brand’s new PWRCAGE Saddle which wraps around the medial and lateral sides of the shoe in a bid to provide unmatched stability.

2020 Puma Ignite PWRADAPT Caged

Speaking on the new Caged footwear, Andrew Lawson, Footwear Product Line Manager, Puma Golf stated

“Our new CAGED footwear will keep you locked in and comfortable all day thanks to our new Adaptive Fit System and PWRCAGE saddle unit which provides the perfect fit, and stability like you’ve never felt before. Best of all, they come in a stylish, lifestyle-inspired, extremely comfortable package.”

2020 Puma Ignite PWRADAPT Caged

As the laces tighten, the cage around a golfer’s foot on the new shoe seeks to form a perfect, comfortable but stable fit, while the Heel Lock Window is designed to cup the golfer’s heel comfortably locking his foot securely into the shoe.

2020 Puma Ignite PWRADAPT Caged

The Ignite PWRADAPT Caged features a layered Adaptive Fit System which seeks to produce 360-degree support through the internal bootie. The external bootie equipped with PWRFRAME technology is designed to ensure that the foot is fully supported in highest impact areas.

Finishing off the technology on the new additions, the shoes feature full-length IGNITE foam cushioning and the PWRADAPT Technology sole is designed to provide responsive comfort and 3-dimensional traction that adapts to the way a golfer moves.

2020 Puma Ignite PWRADAPT Caged

Both the lace and Disc version of Caged feature an Epic Tour Last – a refined, anatomical last shaping that aims to deliver both an excellent fit and ample forefoot volume for maximum comfort as well as a stylish toe-down look.

2020 Puma Ignite PWRADAPT Caged

The Ignite PWRADAPT Caged collection is available in the golfer’s choice of five colorways (Gray Violet/Silver/White, Black/Silver/White, Quiet Shade/Silver/Black, Peacoat/Quiet Shade/Silver and White/Silver/Peacoat).

Limited-Edition colorways and styles of Caged inspired by upcoming, key tournaments this season are also expected to be released throughout 2020.

2020 Puma Ignite PWRADAPT Caged

Available in sizes 7-15, the Ignite PWRADAPT Caged will feature a retail price of $150 and is available through select retailers and at beginning January 21.

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New for 2020: Bettinardi HLX 3.0 wedges



2020 Bettinardi HLX 3.0 Wedges

Bettinardi has unveiled its new HLX 3.0 Wedges for 2020, which feature a complete re-design of technology and appearance than previous editions from the company.

Unlike the brand’s previous H2 wedge line, the new wedges are crafted from Soft Carbon Steel in a move which aims to provide players with a much softer feel at impact, with a focus on greater versatility, control, and increased forgiveness on a variety of short game shots.

2020 Bettinardi HLX 3.0 Wedges

On the HLX 3.0 wedges, Bettinardi also took their milling expertise to the grind of the sole in a bid to produce more consistency in production, while offering maximum short game playability and repeatability.

Engineered through the company’s High Helix Cut machining process, the HLX 3.0 wedges feature an all-new face which is designed for ultimate soft feel. Through an optimizing process of removing material to generate groove depth’s and spacing to push USGA limits, Bettinardi’s HLX 3.0 wedges seek to offer golfers with ultimate versatility.

2020 Bettinardi HLX 3.0 Wedges

2020 Bettinardi HLX 3.0 Wedges

The C-grind wedge features a higher toe and heel to promote added relief, and clean contact, while the re-designed face which removed 20% more additional surface metal to allow the ball to move past the center of gravity aims to produce a more aggressive spin with more consistent distance control.

2020 Bettinardi HLX 3.0 Wedges

The RJ-grind is aimed towards players who seek increased forgiveness on tight lies and added bounce on square face shots and features the brand’s highest measured bounce for players with a steep angle of attack.

Bettinardi’s HLX 3.0 wedges arrive in both a traditional Chrome finish and the brand’s all-new Black Smoke finish – each of which is designed for greater optics and glare-reduction.

2020 Bettinardi HLX 3.0 Wedges

2020 Bettinardi HLX 3.0 Wedges

The wedges come with a custom Bettinardi Crosstour Soft Grey and Black Lamkin grip and players can choose between three Tour grade shaft options: KBS High Rev, True Temper S400, or the Nippon Pro Modus 115.

2020 Bettinardi HLX 3.0 Wedges

Pre-orders on Bettinardi’s HLX 3.0 wedges begin today while worldwide shipping starts from April 10, 2020.



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