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Forum Thread of the Day: “Long and forgiving 4-iron?”



Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from Norboo who is looking to add a 4-iron to his set-up. Norboo is on the hunt for a 4-iron that is long, forgiving and not “too clunky”, and our members have been giving their suggestions for what they feel is the most appropriate 4-iron for Norboo.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • AG12: “I just got a set of P790’s, and the four iron is a beaut’! Minimal offset and flies! It’s pretty forgiving as well without looking chunky.”
  • dmeeksDC: “Mizzy MP18 MMC Fli-Hi or the JPX 919 Forged. Also find the Ping i200 easy to hit. I prefer irons that are a part of the set design over utilities, and I will mix brands. Right now the 919 Forged 4 iron is in the bag regardless of the irons I’m gaming. I also switch to lighter steel shafts or graphite shafts at 4 iron, and that helps too.”
  • puresurfr: “My vote is for the Hot metal pro……i think the new Callaway epic forged will be a winner too !”
  • jkm27: “Titleist U500. Absolutely gorgeous. Similar to p790 but I think the feel of U500 is slightly better.”

Entire Thread: “Long and forgiving 4-iron?”

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  1. Donn

    Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    Try a Ping I500 or Mizuno MMC Fli-Hi. But really. “Forgiving” and “4 iron” are on different sides of the moon.

  2. Scratchscorer

    Sep 7, 2019 at 5:42 pm

    Callaway X-20 tour. Old but still works great.

    • Lilly

      Sep 8, 2019 at 12:40 pm

      Of course! That must be the end all be all of 4 irons. No need to ever make a new model! I’m positive that’s the best for every single golfer anywhere.
      Shaft doesn’t matter I suppose?
      Getting fit is silly.
      And now golf isn’t fun?

      • Scratchscorer

        Sep 8, 2019 at 5:10 pm

        Hope your day gets better buddy.
        For the record..
        Never said end all be all, said it qualifies as long and forgiving.
        Never said no need for a new model, but individual older clubs are more economical than brand new.
        Actually it wouldn’t be the best for everyone, because some people prefer something less forgiving. Not to mention that not everyone even puts a 4iron in their bag.
        Shaft would be a more customized option, that would depend on details and preferences that aren’t provided in the article. Getting fit can be great or a waste of time; it depends on the fitter.
        Again, hope your day gets better and you can get back to having fun.

      • Dungur

        Sep 10, 2019 at 12:31 am

        7/10 More woke & get more triggered than that. Get to it pleb

    • Dungur

      Sep 10, 2019 at 12:36 am

      Good choice, love the irons.

  3. s

    Sep 6, 2019 at 6:33 pm

    2014 Apex UT 24 deg. Has a cool steel look Recoil shaft that blends into the iron set. It fills the gap between my 5 wood (19) and 5 iron (27) “consistently”. It really does, so don’t get too angry,, geez! LOL

  4. Jamie

    Sep 6, 2019 at 11:38 am

    Quit golf if you want a “long” 4 iron. Fill the gap, consistently, between your next longest and shortest clubs.

    Where do these f*cktard questions come from? Obviously from those who don’t realize golf existed before Tiger Woods was born.

  5. JP

    Sep 6, 2019 at 9:37 am

    The best 4 iron is the one you can consistently hit in the sweet spot with the proper swing path. That’s not a club meant for forgiveness.

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WITB Time Machine: Phil Mickelson WITB, 2016 Waste Management Phoenix Open



  • Equipment is accurate as of the Waste Management Phoenix Open (2016).

Driver: Callaway XR 16 Sub Zero (8.5 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Fubuki J 60 X (tipped 1 inch, 45.5 inches)

3-wood: Callaway X Hot 3 Deep (13 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Fubuki J 70 X (tipped 1.5 inches)

Hybrid: Callaway Apex (18 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Diamana S Hybrid 100 TX

Utility iron: Callaway Apex UT (21 degrees)
Shaft: KBS Tour-V 125

Irons: Callaway Apex Pro ’16 (5-PW)
Shafts: KBS Tour-V 125

Wedges: Callaway Mack Daddy PM Grind Wedge (56-13, 60-10, 64-10)
Shafts: KBS Tour-V 125

Putter: Odyssey “Phil Mickelson” Blade
Grip: Odyssey by SuperStroke JP40

Ball: Callaway Chrome Soft (2016)

Grip: Golf Pride MCC Black/White

WITB Notes: Mickelson uses the rearward weight setting in his XR 16 Sub Zero driver.

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Greatest Adams hybrids of all time



It’s almost impossible that, over the past decade, you or someone you played golf with didn’t own an Adams hybrid. The fact that they can still be found in the bags of players on the PGA Tour demonstrates the kind of cult-like dedication some players have to those clubs.

They were in everyone’s bags—from low handicaps to golfers just trying to break 100. Simply, Adams was hybrids in the early-to-mid 2000s. In an age when many would still call them “cheater” or “old man” clubs, Adams pushed the envelope of design and ushered in a new era of small, workable-yet-forgiving, anti-left clubs.

Adams was also one of the first companies to do exclusive combo sets off the rack for better players with the initial Idea Pros and then later with the Idea Pro Golds. It’s a common practice now, but at the time it was revolutionary.

Here is a list of some of Adams’ all-time great hybrid designs.

Original Idea Pro – 2008

This is the one that started it all. After going through a number of tour issue prototypes leading up to the retail release, the Idea Pro had a lot of buzz, and it delivered. It wasn’t that other companies weren’t producing hybrids at the time, but the sheer popularity of the Adams outweighed what others had in the market thanks to it working its way to become the number one hybrid on the PGA Tour. It also came stock with an 80g Aldila VS Proto Hybrid shaft that was directly aimed at better players, and considering the aftermarket price of the shaft on its own, it made the Idea Pro a no brainer for those looking to replace harder-to-hit longer irons.

XTD – 2014

This was the final hybrid ever made by Adams and was packed with technology: all-titanium construction, crown, and sole slots for greater face deflection and ball speed—along with an adjustable hosel. TaylorMade had taken over ownership at this point and engineers at Adams took advantage by using the proprietary TaylorMade adjustable sleeve—this allowed for more shaft options for many golfers that had used TaylorMade hybrids in the past.

The entire XTD line from Adams was premium by design and from the driver to the hybrid, offered real-deal shafts and tight quality control. This is still a hard club to beat.

Idea XTD Super Hybrid Ti – 2012

You could argue the 2012 Super Hybrid XTD was the original bomber hybrid. Thanks to the multi-material titanium construction, it produced a higher-than-expected launch, along with exceptionally low spin. For faster players, this was a perfect control club off the tee and easily replaced a 5-wood (in the 19 degree). Don’t believe it? Check out this historic review from the GolfWRX Archives: – Adams Super Hybrid Review (2012)

Super 9031 – 2013

The Super 9031 was released the year after the original Idea Pro Blacks and featured an updated white paint job along with a technology upgrade that included both sole and crown slots for faster ball speeds compared to the original (hence the “Super” designation). It has a high toe, flatter lie angle, and open appearance from address—something better players love! Although I should attempt to be unbiased, I will admit that not only did I love these hybrids, but I still hold a place in one of my travel bags.

It’s not just me that has a sweet spot for the Super 9031, you can still find these in the bag of PGA Tour player Brian Gay.

Boxer A3 Idea – 2007

You might be wondering that after all of the others on the list, how the A3 earned its spot. Well, it’s quite simple. Just before the launch of the Idea Pro, the A3 and A3OS (oversized) were massive sellers at the retail level. The sets offered classicly shaped irons alongside easy-to-hit hybrid clubs into the longer clubs. Although never marketed towards better players, it did have a bit of a cult following to the point that even Vijay Singh was using one during the 2008 season in replacement of a 5-wood. They came stock with Grafalloy ProLaunch Red hybrid shafts and in both right and left-handed to outfit almost any player.

GolfWRXers, did you have any of these clubs? Check out the Cult Classic Clubs Discussion in the forums.





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SeeMore releases new RST Hosel series of plumber neck design putters



2020 SeeMore RST Hosel series

For 2020, SeeMore has introduced their new RST Hosel series of plumber neck design putters in 7 models.

Through RifleScope Technology (RST), the fluted barrel hosel aims to bring a new approach to the classic offset plumber neck in a design where player’s hands will sit slightly forward of the ball at address and impact.

2020 SeeMore RST Hosel series

For the first time in company history, SeeMore has combined a plumber neck hosel with their RifleScope Alignment Technology.

Designed for players to place their hands forward, the putters utilize the company’s RST alignment system which is often seen in the company’s straight shaft putters. The RST alignment system hides the red dot of the putters (to lock in your alignment) by using the lower portion of the new RST Hosel.

2020 SeeMore RST Hosel series

The RST alignment system is designed to provide a true reference point for golfers leading to an improved set up and stroke. Per the company, the technology ensures “that the putter face will be square to the target at set up, address and impact, with the loft of the putter also set the same every time giving a consistent roll on every putt.”

2020 SeeMore RST Hosel series

The base of the plumber neck in the new series enters the head on a single plane angle, at 70 degrees. The design aims to provide an entry point of connection closer to the sweet spot than a standard plumber neck – leading to improved feel and balance.

The 2020 SeeMore RST Hosel series are available to purchase now at with prices ranging from $250-$400.

2020 SeeMore RST Hosel series



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