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Forum Thread of the Day: “Low handicapper switching to game improvement irons”



Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from jasonTel3 – a low handicap player who plays blades but who has had his head turned by game improvement irons. According to jasonTel3, every ball was hit straight when testing out a set of Ping G400’s at a simulator, and he’s been asking fellow members for advice on whether he should make the move to GI’s.

Here are a few posts from the thread discussing jasonTel3’s conundrum, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • balls_deep: “My first thought is to say don’t do it.. but then if you’ve hit them, liked them, and the numbers were right, it could be a good option. A friend I play with uses G400 and they have too much offset for my liking. I also don’t like that you can see the cavity on the 4 and 5 iron. Top line is actually very nice for a SGI iron. I just read the Ping Blueprint article on Golf Digest where they were talking about how some players hit small heads better. I definitely fall into that category. That said, I just ordered a set of i210 to try as I had really good luck with the i200 and should never have sold them. Have you tried the newer I series? IMO it’s GI help in a players look with an acceptable sole width. Long story short though – if you felt comfortable and the fit was right, why not try them? If you don’t work the ball a ton, I don’t see any issue with it. High and straight is a good way to go!”
  • hammergolf: “I’ve been playing Ping G25’s for 6 years. Still can’t find anything I like better. I can hit any shot I need to whether it’s my stock draw, fade, high, or low. And when I hit it a little thin, or on the toe, it still lands on the green. My thought is why play golf with a club that will punish you for mishit when you can play one that will help you.”
  • azone: “Everyone has an opinion, and here is mine. If you are/have been a good ball striker with a sound mental game, your mind will keep writing checks your body may not be able to cash as you get older or don’t practice enough. Those “ugly” forgiving irons look beautiful when a miss ends up on the green, and you are putting– not in rough or deep in a short side bunker. Those irons won’t be AS ACCURATE as, say, a blade, BUT if you aren’t as dependable as in the past, your results will be better. I used to keep two sets of blueprinted irons; blades for practice and CB for play. I play with guys that have cashed checks playing…and they don’t care how ugly the iron is.”
  • Jut: “As a decent player (and ball striker) and a sweeper/picker (I could hit off of a green and not take any landscape with me), I’ve found much success with the F9s (which, with the wide sole, are very similar to the G410 irons). In the past 4 years I’ve gone from Mizuno MP-68 to Callaway Apex CF16 to Ping i500 (a brief and bad experience) to the Cobra F9’s. For what it’s worth, the Cobras have been the best of the bunch by far.”

Entire Thread: “Low handicap going to game improvement irons”

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  1. joro

    Jun 7, 2019 at 1:27 pm

    Why not, they are more forgiving and easier to hit.

  2. ChipNRun

    May 27, 2019 at 2:13 pm

    I have run into several former small-college golfers who made the switch. With a job, wife and young kids, they don’t have the golf practice/play time they once had. Since they can’t keep their swing “blade ready”, they find they shoot better with GI irons than blades.

    Ed the clubfitter from May 25 says it all:
    “… If I can get someone into an iron that’s going to launch a bit higher and improve his or her misses…now we’ve got something.”

  3. Steve

    May 26, 2019 at 7:26 pm

    The feeling of flushing a cavity back or blade is half the fun of the game. I think the ideal situation is cavity back/blades for the front nine, Max GI for the back nine.

  4. Dave r

    May 25, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    The more forgiveness the better no matter your handi cap. Golf is not easy and we do get older and our bodies do tend to not rotate as when in our younger days. Sore knees arms etc need all the help you can muster up for them. I play to a. 5 handi cap and am 70 years old and I know it’s the clubs not me , I really enjoy playing the game and these have allowed me to.
    And I agree with Mitch you sure do not need top of the line to play well.

    • ken

      May 25, 2019 at 11:23 pm

      I disagree.
      One can compare two players of equal ability, give one the muscle back forged irons, the other cast game improvement irons made for mid to high handicappers and these two players will make similar scores.
      Now, take two players, each of equal ability, Take one and give tto play forged muscle back irons.
      The other gets the wide sole game improvement irons.
      Almost a guaranteed certainty the player using the appropriate clubs will score better

  5. steve

    May 25, 2019 at 4:39 pm

    Golf is not an easy game. Why, for gods sake, would anyone want to make it even more difficult than it already is? If there is equipment available that makes it easier to keep the ball in play, why would someone not use it? Ego is a horrible reason, but all too often it rears its ugly head.

  6. Ed

    May 25, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    With the technology today, there are plenty of options for a good player who may not be the best ball striker…or doesn’t hit it as high. With irons, remember it’s about accuracy not distance. As a fitter I’m paying as much attention if not more on misses as the good ones are going to be …well, good. If I can get someone into an iron that’s going to launch a bit higher and improve his or her misses…now we’ve got something. This will without question lower your scores… As you will hold more greens,, you will maintain ball speed on misses and your dispersion will be tighter. If you’re hesitant on going to a more game improvement iron because of what your buddies will think, that will change when they’re paying you out for the skins beat down you’ll be giving them. Good luck.

  7. Steven M

    May 25, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    The question is. Why wouldn’t you want to improve your game? If they’re going to help, it’s obviously a good thing…

  8. Gary Oxenforth

    May 25, 2019 at 12:52 pm

    what is considered a low handicap? I am a 9.

    • nolongerKucherfan

      May 25, 2019 at 3:04 pm

      8.9 is a low is cruel

  9. MattH

    May 23, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    The bigger problem here is the guy trying to make a choice from hitting off a simulator.
    Turf interaction is a huge part of the strike and it’s way different in a blade to an SGI.

  10. P

    May 23, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Get the PSi

  11. Mitch Stockdale

    May 23, 2019 at 12:07 pm

    I am 52 years old, a scratch player, and I switched to a game improvement club (Maltby’s) and I love them. I have found that having that extra forgiveness is nice!! There is nothing wrong hitting it higher and straighter. I can still play knock down shots and produce draws and fades when needed. The only adjustment I had to make was looking at a larger, thicker club head. It was an adjustment at first, but now no issues. It’s not what you play, but how you play it. I also went to a “generic” set of clubs after playing top of the line for years. I will keep my reasons why private because I do not want to start a debate. But I will say, I have saved a great deal of money and my game has not suffered one bit!!!!!

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WRX Spotlight: Argolf Mordred putter



Product: Argolf Mordred putter

Pitch: From Argolf: “…each ARGOLF putter is named after an Arthurian legend.”

“Mordred was known as a notorious traitor who fought King Arthur at the Battle of Camlann, where he was killed, and Arthur was fatally wounded. The images depicting Mordred are reflected in the winged design of the putter which aids in stabilization and alignment, as well as its coloring.”

“With a lower center of gravity that surpasses all mallet putters in the ARGOLF collection, Mordred boasts one of the highest MOIs available on the market. Precisely milled from a solid block of aeronautical-grade 7175 Aluminum, Mordred appeals to the eye with its clean and sophisticated look. Using the most advanced technology, Mordred is shaped through a 5-axis milling process that differentiates itself from its competitors in design and performance due to its aerodynamic features.”

Our take on the Argolf Mordred putter

When you are dreaming of your next high-end milled putter, Argolf might not be the first name that pops into your head. Argolf is a French company founded in 2010 by a couple of aeronautical industrialists and a golf professional. By combining the expertise from both sites, Argolf has created a line of milled putters that not only look like art but with performance that rivals more well-known brands.

Mordred is a large mallet that boasts a very low center of gravity and super high MOI. Milled out of a solid block of aerospace-grade 7175 aluminum, the design is influenced by the aerodynamic lines from F1 race cars. The face features Argolf’s C-Claw technology that produces a more consistent forward roll without skidding. The Mordred is finished off with a single orange site line, a black PVD shaft, and a Pure midsize grip.

When you open the box, you are greeted with a nice grey and orange head cover that feels high quality and durable. Headcover removed, you will say hello to one of the larger mallet putters you have ever tried. The finish is a matte dark gray that eliminates glare and contrasts well with the orange paint fill. Traditionally high end milled putters have milling lines on most of the head and ARGOLF hid most of those in this head. The milling lines and marks are still visible on the rounded sections, but any flat surface is perfectly smooth. From what I have been told by machinists, it is more expensive to remove those lines and marks.

Any mallet putter that boasts high MOI, the style is going to be love or hate. At first, I was taken back by how busy the Mordred is, but out on the course, those flowing lines melt away. Not once was I distracted by them while lining up a putt. Size is going to take some getting used to as it just frames the ball different than any other mallet I have tried.

Feel and sound is where Mordred really shines. I have putted with aluminum putters before, and depending on the design they can have a different sound or feel. The C-Claw face really offers a softer feel and sound with just a slight click at impact. Not as crisp as carbon steel, just a little more muted and I enjoyed the sounds and feel with the Titleist AVX.

ARGOLF’s C-Claw technology does what it says and gets the ball rolling with zero skidding, even on long uphill putts. Putting side-by-side with a standard faced putter you could easily see tell the difference in the first foot of roll. Some face technologies can cause issues with distance control, but every putt rolled out to the expected distance. Compared to a traditionally milled face the Mordred will roll a fraction farther, but something that is easy to adjust to with a handful of putts on the practice green.

Shots off center go almost exactly where you aimed; the toe miss leaks just a touch right. Putts struck on the heel go straight and lose minimal distance while feeling still very solid. Toe strikes leak a hair right and are met with a small amount of vibration letting you know you missed the center of the putter.

Overall, Argolf’s Mordred putter is a great option for someone who is looking for a super forgiving putter. A minor complaint is no grip options for a putter at this price. I like a standard size, firmer grip and there are no other options to select from. The other thing that could become an issue is how well the finish holds up. I always use the headcover when I am not using my putter and the finish still has a few minor marks on it. If you are anti-headcover you might notice faster wear. Those are pretty small issues, and I think that ARGOLF has a really solid putter here.

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Forum Thread of the Day: “Odyssey/Toulon Santa Monica putter”



Today’s Forum Thread of the Day showcases an Odyssey/Toulon Santa Monica putter which has got plenty of our member’s attention. Some have likened the blade to Tiger’s Newport 2, and a number are hoping for a release at retail soon.

For more photos, check out the full forum thread here.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • Weston11: “Absolutely beautiful!”
  • Scotty1140: “Sweet putter. Definitely inspired by Tiger’s Newport 2. Needs a bit more of a bevel on the trailing edges from address IMO. Always love a tri-sole. This coming to retail? Would like to roll this.”
  • Wdwfreak: “Bring that one out, and you have a sale. I like that a lot.”

Entire Thread: “Odyssey/Toulon Santa Monica putter”

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Forum Thread of the Day: “What golf-related Father’s Day gift did you get?”



Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from nuttinbutapeanut, who asked fellow members what golf-related gift they received for Father’s Day. Our members share what they received, as well as gave on Father’s Day.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • OSpreyCI: “PXG 0811x Driver. Thank you fam bam.”
  • Aviador Naval: “Two hours of time with my son hitting balls and practicing short game on a day with beautiful weather. As an empty nester, that is 1000x more valuable than anything material.”
  • Kingcat990: “Took the father in law golfing, and we posted some horrendous scores. Had a great time piling garbage on the scorecard.”
  • Gautama: “New golf shirt and shorts, and got a surprise treat in a tee time for the whole clan on a little executive 9 hole, par 33 course. First time we’ve done it…my wife, my two sons aged 22 and 18, and my two daughters aged 9 and 6. The whole course was crawling with groups like ours… Not the fastest round any of us have ever played, but very fun.”
  • granata10: “New ping hoofer golf bag. It was needed and wanted.”

Entire Thread: “What golf-related Father’s Day gift did you get?”

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