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Forum Thread of the Day: “Are there any old-school drivers that can keep up with today’s models?”

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Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from theothertwo, who asks fellow GolfWRX members if they feel that there is an old-school driver that can keep up with today’s models. Our members have been giving their views on the subject, with many believing that there are plenty of older models that can still enhance your game.

Here are a few posts from the thread but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • DixieD: “510tp, J33r, FT Tour. Have all these in my collection, and they still make it into my bag and don’t lose any distance to my 917. I’d say the J33r may be slightly shorter, but we are talking 5 yards on good hits with my 105 swing speed. The feel of them is unmatched by today’s offerings.”
  • seleezyt: “Ping g15. I’m sure you could go back even more to g10 and rapture, but the g15 was just as long in a recent test for me. Hit against ts2 and g400 and m3.”
  • agolf1: “Titleist 983E if your strike is very good. Titleist 910D2 if you want something that resembles today’s forgiveness. I played with an old 983E once this year. It is great when you catch it right but absolutely horrible if you miss at all (both loss of ball speed and direction).”
  • RobS14526: “Ping G2/5/10 are still fantastic. I still think the longest combo I’ve ever had was an Orlimar HipTi 420 with an early Taylormade Mitsubishi Tour shaft. Russian titanium baby!”

Entire Thread: “Are there any old-school drivers that can keep up with today’s models?”

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  1. Sam

    Jan 16, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    We have to keep in mind as well that club fitting has really changed things. I have been fitting people for 15 years and seen how drastic of a change the right shaft and head combo can make. If you require a custom club, I could put pretty much any driver in your hands and it would wouldn’t change much. new drivers would be more forgiving and probably 5+ yards longer. The biggest I’ve seen though is reducing the spin and optimizing ball flight. I used to love the 983k and erc fusion heads for their shape and overall playability. I compared my 983k from over 10 years ago to my Custom Fit Epic Subzero and its on average about 34 yards of difference. Still, straightest driver I’ve hit to this day is the Callaway C4 haha. sounded like a marshmallow and the distance was terrible but man it the ball only flew straight.

  2. Tom

    Jan 8, 2019 at 5:00 pm

    Yes, as long as they don’t suffer metal fatigue, older models are the same as what is being touted as “better” designs of today. The USGA rules mandate that clubs CANNOT exceed defined performance standards, thus, performance cannot be improved….
    These performance standards set by the USGA have been in place for the past several years… if not longer.

  3. Michael

    Dec 21, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    Still using the TM Burner Superfast TP. Haven’t found anything better.

    • Art Williams

      Dec 22, 2018 at 2:37 pm

      Was playing my 2013 Callaway Razr Fit Extreme for a few years with mixed results. Went back this past fall to my 2008 Hyper X. Was just as long but it felt better and sounded better. Will stick to it for now. Don’t remember why I left it. Couldn’t resist the marketing I guess.

  4. Steve Cantwell

    Dec 21, 2018 at 3:14 pm

    It’s the Christmas season. New clubs sure would look nice under the tree. However, as good as that sounds, I sure love my R7 TP irons as well as my Burner driver and 3 woid. While my clubs are more than 10 years old, and I have tinkered with newer products over the years, I always find myself coming back to this trusted set up. New clubs? No thank you! Maybe next year…

  5. TONEY P

    Dec 21, 2018 at 3:09 pm

    The 983K was one of the best drivers made for a good golfer. The R 7 superquad is one of the straightest drivers ever built.

  6. Robert

    Dec 21, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    Is Fred Couples still using a Taylormade Sldr? I remember something on TV this past year where he did not want to bother with another driver fitting. Believe Sei Young Kim set the LPGA scoring record this past year in Wisconsin using a Sldr and Mizuno MP18-SC irons.

  7. Dennis

    Dec 20, 2018 at 11:37 am

    Played yesterday with my 07 Burner TP and my new TS3 and virtually no difference in distance.I actually like the feel of the Burner better.

    • Vince

      Dec 21, 2018 at 11:27 am

      I played the last 2 years with a Callaway Hawkeye v f t titanium
      9 degree and it is great
      It is just 10-15yards shorter than new models but
      I can hit it straight as a arrow and it is light

  8. Richard Douglas

    Dec 20, 2018 at 2:20 am

    I haven’t played a 3-wood since I put the TM SLDR Mini-Driver in the bag. It functions like a second, slightly shorter driver that can still be hit off the deck. I use it for all tight drives; it’s probably 20 yards longer than my old 3-wood.

  9. ogo

    Dec 19, 2018 at 6:33 pm

    The design of the driver clubhead represents ~10% of the driver’s performance. 90% is the shaft… without doubt…. and anybody who thinks differently is just a gullible gearhead !

    • Brad

      Dec 19, 2018 at 9:10 pm

      This is easily the silliest thing I’ve read in recent memory.

    • Gunter Eisenberg

      Dec 19, 2018 at 10:43 pm

      I totally agree. I stuck a $500 exotic shaft into my 1983 Titleist Tour Model Persimmon Driver and I outdrove a buddy of mine with his M4 with similar swing speed.

  10. Tom

    Dec 19, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    Of course, all this stuff is the same over the last 6-8 years, just repackaged and marketed as something better, USGA rules dictate the level of potential product innovation, not manufacturers….Sellers be Sellin!

    Upgrade your graphite wood shafts and re-grip, that’s all you need to spend money on..

  11. David Sims

    Dec 19, 2018 at 12:21 pm

    Titleist 905R, still as straight and long as anything out there. Much straighter and right there with all my buddies M1,M4’s and Callys.

    • TONEY P

      Dec 21, 2018 at 3:02 pm

      That 905R is great driver.

      • Brian S.

        Jan 8, 2019 at 4:20 pm

        Yep, still have mine too with the Proforce Shaft. Put a 910D3 in play this past year (yes, i know that is still old school, LOL), but it was an upgrade to the 905. I can honestly say, i havent seen much difference. The old girl is still standing by and might end up back in the bag this year.. We’ll see!

  12. Kyle R

    Dec 19, 2018 at 12:14 pm

    Taylormade r7 Superquad for me is the club I have fell in love with. I have tried numerous drivers to upgrade over the years, However the fairway finding ability of the R7 Superquad can not be matched for me. I even picked up a backup one to keep on hand. Distance wise I may leave 10 or so yards on the table, however I still average 280-290 with the R7 at 110-115mph Driver speed, plenty long.

    • chad

      Dec 19, 2018 at 12:20 pm

      i second the r7 superquad. best driver ever made. Bought a like new head off ebay and i put an oban kiyoshi white stiff shaft in. The thing cant miss a fairway. i dont care if i give up 10 yards when you’re 40 yards right in the weeds and im in the fairway

    • Regis

      Dec 21, 2018 at 12:57 pm

      Yeh I’ve kept mine as well. Also the R9 Super Tri. I never spent the time to experiment by fitting them with different high end shafts but I will some day. Maybe this weekend

    • Dan Malloy

      Dec 21, 2018 at 1:02 pm

      Last I saw Tom Lehman was still using an R-7 superquad

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Talking with Alonzo Guess of Sunfish…and a look at the insane headcover they made GolfWRX

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We last talked with Alonzo Guess of Sunfish in November of 2017 after the Nashville-based company launched a custom headcover and accessory builder on its website.

The company has been producing custom headcovers, yardage books, and other accessories since 2013 when it entered the market with its signature wool headcovers.

We wanted to see what was up, and Guess was kind enough not only to answer a few questions, but to design a pretty incredible GolfWRX driver cover using some raw assets we sent over.

BA: What’s new at Sunfish since we last talked? 

AG: 2018 was a great year for innovation at Sunfish. We worked hard to develop new design and construction techniques, and it has been really exciting combining these new creative elements into one of a kind headcovers and accessories. 2018 was our eighth year in business, but it was probably the most significant in terms of innovation. We’re excited to see where we can go from here!

BA: Looking at your websites, I know one of the new things you developed is something you call Photoflux. What exactly is Photoflux?

AG: Photoflux is our proprietary high-resolution printing process, that gives us the ability to apply to our products anything from photos to complex patterns to intricate logos. The level of resolution and detail is truly unmatched, and can’t be achieved with embroidery. We apply it to our leather and Duraleather products, even our hand-made copper ball markers and divot tools! Those are really exciting, because we can make custom copper ball markers with full color logos, on demand

BA: How the heck did you come up Photoflux?

AG: A customer ordered a scorecard holder with his family photo to be embroidered on each side. We made the piece and weren’t happy at all with the result. The embroidery process couldn’t do justice to the photographs. It was clear that there were certain limitations to embroidery, and we were motivated to overcome them. After months of trial and error, long hours and strenuous testing against sun, rain, and wear, we developed the current process.

BA: What are ways the Photoflux process can be used?

AG: Photoflux is perfect for applying photos, but can also be used for intricate logos or family crests. Really any graphic element can be expressed accurately using Photoflux, including shading. Recently we’ve had fun developing custom patterns such as tiger fur and using them as stripes on headcovers. The sky’s the limit!

Photoflux is best in concert with other design techniques, such as embroidery, laser engraving, and precision cutting and sewing. The featured piece (shown in this feature) incorporates Photoflux, precision cutting and sewing, laser engraving and embroidery. The result is as much artwork as it is a functional golf accessory.

BA: What are the limitations of the technology…what products can you apply Photoflux to?

AG: It’s great for leather and Duraleather headcovers, putter covers, scorecard and yardage book holders, alignment stick covers, cash covers, valuables pouches, wine bags, barrel style tartan headcovers…and even copper ball markers and divot tools!

BA: Tell me about this headcover you made for GolfWRX. I suggested the use of a graffiti wall, a GolfWRX logo, and skeleton hand holding up one finger to denote one club/driver, and you really went to town!

AG: So for the headcover you have, we used Photoflux to apply the graffiti wall image to the top of the cover (did you notice the ‘GolfWRX’ spraypaint in there? We threw that in there for you as an Easter egg!). On top of that, we embroidered the skeleton hand. For the stripe, we laser cut the outline of a typical urban skyline, and laser engraved the chain-link fence pattern over the top, than sewed that down. The bottom portion is a Photoflux image of GolfWRX that you sent over.

With so many new ways to decorate and manipulate the materials, we’re really excited about combining it all for our fans and customers to create really unique products. We feel the sky is the limit, and we hope this headcover illustrates that.

 

 

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New XXIO Prime woods, hybrids, and irons aim for lightweight power

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XXIO’s latest club offerings, XXIO Prime, looks to offer easy distance and easy accuracy for the moderate swing speed golfer, according to the company.

XXIO Prime woods

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XXIO Prime Woods feature a new re-designed hosel structure, and reduced stiffness at the tip of the driver shaft, which is designed to help moderate swing speed golfers to close the clubface through impact.

Forged from Super-TIX PLUS Titanium, the new cup face includes a sweet spot that is noticeably larger than previous designs, which aims to increase distance performance significantly. The Super-TIX PLUS Titanium Cup Face is thinner, lighter and stronger than previous additions, creating a maximum COR across the face, which aims to increase ball speed and distance.

According to Chuck Thiry, Vice President of XXIO USA

“The speed increases, higher launch angles, and draw bias of the new Prime will show immediate results from swing one. It’s legit lightweight power for the players that absolutely need it the most.”

Featured in the XXIO prime woods is the SP-1000 shaft, with TORAYCA T1100G carbon fiber and NANOALLOY resin, which creates a strong but lightweight club. Along with the lightness in the shaft, XXIO has made weight savings in the grip and club head, which aims to produce woods that are both fast and easy to swing.

The XXIO Prime woods feature an expanded toe and narrowed heel, a tungsten-nickel inner weight that is low and deep, a lighter hosel repositioned closer to the center of the face, and reduced stiffness at the tip of the shaft, all with the aim of offering golfers with maximum forgiveness from their woods.

The XXIO Prime woods will be available from March 1 and will cost $579,99.

XXIO Prime hybrids and irons

The new XXIO Prime hybrids feature an expanded COR and a lower center of gravity, which is designed to increase distance and ball speed while delivering a straighter ball flight.

The hybrids from XXIO contain a Forged Maraging Steel Cup Face which includes a large sweet spot which aims to increase distance performance.

Just as with the woods, the XXIO irons also feature the Super-TIX PLUS Titanium Cup Face, though along with this, they also contain a CNC milled speed groove, which significantly increases the COR, creating a larger sweet spot, designed to provide greater distance, ball speed and accuracy.

Both the hybrids and irons include the SP-1000 Shaft, with TORAYCA T1100G carbon fiber and NANOALLOY resin. The hybrids and irons also feature weight savings in the grip and club head, with the aim of increasing swing speed.

With an expanded toe and narrowed heel, plus a crown step that moves weight low and deep, XXIO claim that this is their most forgiving suite of Prime hybrids. While with two high-density tungsten nickel sole weights and an overall profile that is 3mm shorter than the previous model, the company also claims to have created their most forgiving irons yet.

Speaking on the new XXIO Prime series, Chuck Thiry stated

“XXIO Prime is, quite frankly, the most unique and beneficial product ever available to moderate swing speed players. Period. People might think that is marketing hype, but they simply haven’t hit Prime yet.”

Both the XXIO Prime hybrids and irons will hit retail stores on March 1. The Prime hybrids will cost $379.99, while a single graphite iron will be available for $259.99.

 

 

 

 

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SPOTTED: 2019 Mitsubishi shafts

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The Diamana shaft line from Mitsubishi Chemical is probably one of the most iconic in the sport. Released in 2005, Blueboard, Whiteboard, and Redboard, were the first generation of shafts.

Photos of the full fourth generation Diamana lineup, offering new materials and technology, along with new names, have surfaced in the GolfWRX forums. Like previous generations, each color shaft offers different ball flight and spin characteristics.

“RF” is the highest launching and spinning in the Diamana line, offering high launch and mid spin, while the “BF” is the mid-launch and mid/low-spin model. Finally, the “DF” is mid/low-launching and the lowest-spinning shaft in the lineup.

All of the fourth generation Diamana shafts use updated technologies and materials that you would expect from a premium lineup. DIALEAD pitch fiber is helps reduce shaft deformation, while still producing exceptional energy transfer.

Each shaft contains MR70 carbon fiber that is 20 percent stronger than conventional materials and Boron fiber for its compression strength and shaft reinforcement. ION plating has been done before in the Diamana line, in vacuum chambers — silver alloy ions are bonded to the shaft to give it a chrome-like finish that can’t be replicated by paint.

See what GolfWRX Members are saying in the forums.

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