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TG2: Why does everyone want “Player’s Irons”? Epic Flash, M5, and M6 speculation

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In this episode of TG2, Knudson and Miller discuss Kevin Kisner’s comments about Patrick Reed. Also discussed: Who are players irons really for and why does every handicap want to play them? Finally, Knudson and Miller speculate about the new drivers from Callaway and TaylorMade.

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  1. gticlay

    Dec 21, 2018 at 5:14 am

    Hopefully you guys read the comments, I’m curious if you will agree with me. For a terrible single digit golfer like me (I have an official 9 after this 2018 season having only played about 10 rounds in 2017 and less than that in 2016…), who doesn’t play very much golf, some of it is how the club look aesthetically. But, of course, we do know that any help with our iron game is welcome. However, there are other reasons – ones that I think are important – that a person might want a “players iron”. But I’ll define what I mean by that: Low offset and a square face. I personally still play the i3 blades – they have a touch more offset than I like, but they have a very forgiving cavity are much bigger face wise than most “playa irons”, and I don’t think they will ever wear out.

    I would guess that many of the people on the thread you are referring to (I haven’t looked at it) are looking for a lower offset cavity back iron that sets up nicely and looks “cool”. Of course there will always be the people wanting to hit the VIP blades like you mentioned but for the most part, I think people get frustrated with a clunky looking iron with mega offset and really ugly graphics. Probably the ultimate players club that looked good, is super forgiving, and met all the criteria for what I’m talking about would be the TaylorMade 300 irons if you remember those. I wish I still had my set – but I remember when I first got them in the mail, probably from the BST here on golfwrx, they looked so big – like Eye2 big, but a nice shape, low offset, everything you want in a forgiving players iron. Then I bought set of the TM300 “goosen” version I think it was and THAT was a club I couldn’t hit very well.

  2. N Black

    Dec 18, 2018 at 9:51 am

    This argument is always anecdotes piled on more anecdotes. Nobody really does an objective, scientific test here (some claim to have done so, but usually muck it all up by comparing mismatched lofts or lengths or completely different shafts, or worst, have a sample size that is fundamentally meaningless.) Do a fair test, over a statistically significant set of rounds, over over a statistically significant set of different golfers and let us know what the real data says. Tell us about accuracy, consistency (not total distance, because that does not really matter unless you’re hitting driver or 3w on a par-5) and most importantly, effect on score/handicap over that population.

    (And, no, a club pro or single club fitter’s “highly experienced” opinion isn’t nearly good enough – we need to see the numbers.)

  3. A. Commoner

    Dec 15, 2018 at 11:05 am

    What’s this “everyone” business? Today, careless use of the ‘King’s English’ is all too common.

  4. Bill

    Dec 15, 2018 at 12:12 am

    For myself it is just what I am used to looking down at. I came to golf a later than probably most players (about 40yrs old), started with hogan apex+ irons REALLY GREAT feel and forging. Next were the hogan apex FTX set — SUPERB, TRUE muscle blade combo, with thin top line, NOT a BULKY muscle, they were LONG and great feel off the face!! When hogan got bought out I went to Mizuno mp 32 iron — NOT as long as the FTX’s, but GREAT feel So — This is what have been used to— to make it harder; I am left handed, so choices are VERY limited. I can go very low in scoring, if I get consistent time to practice. When looking at irons,after playing the above clubs for YEARS, it is VERY hard to look down at clubs that are bulk look like a shovel. To top it off; I love the feel off these kinds of clubs, the IMMEDIATE feed back is great, I am okay if there are some miss hits,thats on ME, I do make plenty of mistakes, that is on ME, not the club. Play what you like , play what feels REALLY good to you!! Take responsibility for your game, have fun,enjoy the day and the course, Play on!!!

  5. JP

    Dec 14, 2018 at 5:20 pm

    We all want players irons because it gives an easy excuse for missing a shot.

    “Damn these irons are unforgiving. I missed that shot by a millimeter only.”

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Golf’s Perfect Imperfections: Amazing Session with Performance Coach Savannah Meyer-Clement

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In this week’s episode, we spent some time with performance coach Savannah Meyer-Clement who provides many useful insights that you’ll be able to implement on the golf course.

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Golf’s Perfect Imperfections: Live from Mexico Open + Insight on how the pros stay ready

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In this week’s podcast, we are catching up with Shawn on his experience at the Mexico Open and we dive into some of the techniques pros are using to stay ahead of the game.

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GPI: 3,000 years and no change in how we exercise our bodies…until now

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EMS (Electro Muscle Stimulation) training is a highly effective and time-efficient workout that can benefit people of all ages and fitness levels. It involves using a special suit that delivers electrical impulses to the muscles, causing them to contract and work harder than they would during traditional exercise. The Team at Wisdom in Golf has partnered with the Katalyst team, which has sought to bring EMS training at the leisure of your own home. Their ultimate goal is to help everyone develop with this technology at their own pace.

In a recent podcast, we did, with the CEO & Founder of Katalyst, Bjoern Woltermann, set the tone for what the EMS training is all about and what potential it has for every golfer out there, amateur or professional:

[Minute 02:09] “We’re talking about a new way of working out for the first time in 3000 years. Because for 3000 years, if we think about it, the Olympic Games are still the same, right? We wrestle, and we throw things, and we run, and we lift things. You know, it sure to be a rock, and now it’s a little bit more refined, but at the End of the day, we measure how much we can lift over our head. That’s literally what we measure.” – Bjoern Woltermann, CEO & Founder of Katalyst

This technology has been used for decades in physical therapy and rehabilitation settings but is now gaining popularity as a workout tool. One of the main benefits of EMS training is that it allows people to achieve maximum results in minimal time. A 20-minute EMS session can be equivalent to a two-hour traditional gym workout. This is especially beneficial for busy professionals and those with hectic schedules who struggle to find time for exercise.

Whether you want to lose weight, build muscle, or improve your overall health, EMS can help you achieve your objectives more efficiently than traditional exercise. Another advantage of EMS training is that it can be customized to suit individual needs and fitness goals. Within a month (Mid-March to Late-April) of utilizing the Katalyst Suit, the team at Wisdom in Golf claims to have seen profound gains in their golf swing, improvement with mind and body connection that is enhanced by the suit, and a better sense of well being.

Here is what Shawn said after using it for a month:

[Minute 35:09] “I did notice in the last week and a half I feel stronger over the ball, and I’m feeling more capable, and that’s, that’s a really fun feel to have for your confidence. So then I proceed to go through my practice session […] my beginning clubhead speed lately has been 102mph-104mph, and I can ramp it up to 110mph-112mph clubhead speed, and that’s pretty much where I have been staying. Last year it was at 114mph clubhead speed”, [35:53],” I haven’t been at 117mph clubhead speed since my 40s, I’m 57 years old, so I ramp it up to 114mph, Wow that’s pretty cool!”,[36:52],” Here I am at a 117mph clubhead speed at 57 years old, and I’m thinking I’m the king of the world right now, and then when I had a nice moment of gratitude, and I thought of you guys {Katalyst Team}.” – Shawn Clement

Furthermore, EMS is low impact and can be adapted to suit all fitness levels, making it an excellent option for people of all ages and abilities. It’s also ideal for those with joint or mobility issues, as the electrical stimulation can be used to target specific muscles without putting additional stress on the joints. Overall, EMS training is a highly effective and versatile workout tool that can benefit every demographic. With its time-saving and customizable approach, it’s no wonder why it’s quickly becoming a popular choice for those looking to achieve maximum results in minimal time.

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