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Forum Thread of the Day: “Guys that shoot under par, what clubs do you use?”

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Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from BiggEm, who asks those GolfWRX members that happen to break par consistently, what clubs they use. Driver and irons are the clubs in question which BiggEm is interested in hearing about, and as well as many posters submitting the clubs they use, an interesting debate regarding “arrow vs archer” has developed, as well as general playing tips from posters while out on the course.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • cm24: “5 years ago, When I was actually playing really well (for me), and I was in the +2 handicap range I was playing a set of Mizuno mp68 irons.  Sold those for AP2s and never have brought my game back.  I went thru 8 sets of irons over the three years after I sold the Mizunos and finally settled on a set of Srixon z965s.  I think those under par days are coming back, my birdies are going up as my proximity to the hole is going thru the roof, and it’s leading to confidence across my game.”
  • SASpeeder: “Not shooting under par quite as regularly anymore but still gaming the same equipment. Driver: Taylor M2 9.5” 2016 model with Diamana BF 60TX shaft. Irons: Miura CB1008 with KBS $Taper S+ shafts”
  • u2hockey14: “Adam Scott went back to his Titleist 910D3 this year due to accuracy issues, and he started to play better instantly. The bottom line is, for accomplished players, if you find a driver you can hit straight and are confident with it, stick with it. The extra 4-8 yards you get with “today’s” technology isn’t worth giving up that confidence and accuracy.”
  • leejohnkieh: “I’ve recently gotten my scores back down to even/under par after I got rid of drivers that didn’t work. For me, it’s all about feel and look. I went from 910d2 to a 17′ M1 to an M2 then to an M3 and now to the Ts3 in a span of 3 years. Tried every shaft known to man and I just could not get by round after round with TM drivers. Wildly inconsistent. I’d play tourneys not knowing where my driver was gonna go that day.”

Entire Thread: “Guys that shoot under par. What clubs do you use?”

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Gianni is a freelance writer. He holds a Bachelor of Arts as well as a Diploma in Sports Journalism. He can be contacted at gmagliocco@outlook.com. Follow him on Twitter @giancarlomag

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  1. ogo

    Dec 3, 2018 at 6:42 pm

    “What clubs do I use?”…. I use all the clubs in my WITB arsenal of golf destruction!!! 😮

  2. TONEY P

    Nov 21, 2018 at 12:08 pm

    As a scratch golfer for 25+ years , I’ve played cast, forged, cavity back, and muscleback irons, the club’s didn’t matter but the skill level you acquire to use them effectively to string together shots to score. Metal woods have made it easier to hit fairways and the newer irons fly straighter. the wedges are better but the biggest difference in scoring has been the ball. It’s longer and flyes straight but it not as good around the greens as balls 20 years ago.

    • ogo

      Nov 21, 2018 at 10:41 pm

      Is the shaft flex more important than the iron heads for your skill level? If your shaft was wrong flex/weight could you still play par golf? Also could you play your old TM Pittsburgh Persimmon driver with the tiny head as well as the current 460cc Ti cans on a stick? Congrats on your performance longevity.

  3. Birdswing

    Nov 21, 2018 at 8:35 am

    I use 917d3 10.5, 910f 17, vapor pro combo 2 iron, be pro combo 4 thru PW and 54/60 engage wedges.

    Important club is the Odyssey mxm no9 prototype putter though.

    Not a regular sub par player but certainly shot several under par rounds this year

  4. ogo

    Nov 20, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    Yes Yes Yes !!!!! It’s all in the clubs you bag…. and the newer the clubs the lower your sub-par score… it’s soooooo obvious …. 😮

  5. KB

    Nov 20, 2018 at 10:36 am

    Re u2hockey14, leejohnkieh posts. So true, couldn’t agree more.

    • SR

      Nov 20, 2018 at 10:50 am

      Then go post on the forum, duh.
      This space is only for slander lol

      • ogo

        Nov 22, 2018 at 3:41 pm

        Yes… “slander” on this forum is “reality” and “truth”… while the “love-besotted” gearheads circle jerk on the main forum. Thank you for this fair and fine forum provided by the fine folks at GolfWRX.

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Forum Thread of the Day: “How I learned to stop worrying and love single length irons”

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Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from pinestreetgolf who shared his experience using single length irons. In pinestreetgolf’s excellent and thorough write-up, he explains just how single length irons worked for him, despite his previous suspects, and why he feels others should considering making the move to single length clubs in the future.

“First, I made a mistake I am constantly on others for making. I thought all-or-none. The whole “same stance, same swing, same plane” thing isn’t true. However, I decided that since one of them wasn’t true (if the lie changes, it all changes), then none of it was true. That was dumb. It’s about 80% true, and that is a lot. What I mean by that is that I struggle with ball position. Now I don’t. The club always feels the same, so you always just sort of start lining up the same all the time. It’s hard to describe, exactly. When my ball position creeps back, I start to get stuck. Now it doesn’t creep back. I grab the club, and the address position feels natural and easy.

Second, I made the mistake of thinking yardage gaps have to be consistent to be useful. They don’t. As my SL set tends towards its extremes, my gaps get larger. My 5 iron isn’t 10 yards behind my 6. But I know how far it is behind my six and I know I hit the center more often, so effectively, because I get much better contact, my gap is much more consistent even though it is smaller.

Third, I learned to hit a hybrid. I play them through 4 iron. I cannot get a SL 4 iron off the ground consistently, but my gaggle of G30 hybrids from the 2nd swing is fantastic.

Fourth, I kept my PM Grind for in and around the green complex.
Fifth, it makes practice MUCH more effective. Swap them out all the time. Hit a 6, hit a SW, hit a 9, hit a 7, rapid fire.

It took me a long time to get used to them, but the two massive pros are the setup/stance and practice. You set up the same way almost instinctively, and that is HUGE. I also feel like I get a ton more out of practice AND that my practice feels like the course a lot more.

There are some drawbacks. I found three specialty shots I had to add clubs at top and bottom to pull off:
1. A short-game only club, like a PM Grind.
2. Where the last SL doesn’t get airborne anymore. I used 3 hybrids below it. They hit middles of greens.
3. Ground balls – I can’t punch out nearly as well with a SL 5 as a CB 3 or 4. I’ve learned to use my driver on this shot.

If you are thinking about something new for irons and have some cash, I would recommend trying SL. It grew on me. I was wrong about it. The key is to stick with it. Just throw them in the bag for two months and when practicing switch up irons constantly – do NOT just bang one iron with an SL set.

Finally, either get fit or play with lie angle a lot. Mine are +3 up, and I’m only 6′. Feel great, dead even dirt line. But since they are all the same, they better be right. Just my thoughts on SL. They’ll be in my bag for the May – Sept. tournaments. I would highly recommend 1. ignoring my earlier posts on them and 2. trying them.”

Here are what a few of our members have said in response to pinestreetgolf’s post, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • snowman9000: “Some people get hung up on thinking that they aren’t supposed to have a shorter wedge. I kept one, no big deal. As to hybrids, that’s no biggie either. I mean, it’d be great if we could get good results with 13 clubs the same length, but that’s just not possible. Having SL irons is a huge simplification of the game, regardless of the rest of the bag.”
  • ChrisLC40: “OP I love how you summed everything up. I made the switch a little over two years ago and have made huge improvements. At times I think about going back to variable length irons because of the offerings, but OL is so repeatable, and I feel I may go backwards and need to relearn some things.”
  • LONGBALL777: “Welcome to the Dark Side!”

Entire Thread: “How I learned to stop worrying and love single length irons”

 

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WRX Spotted: A pair of custom putters

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This week’s Zurich Classic is all about pairs — that goes for the two-man teams competing for the winner’s check(s), and in the case of notable putters we spotted, a pair of new one-off customs in bags this week: Abraham Ancer’s personal Bettinardi and Danny Lee’s new Scotty Cameron Super Rat.

Let’s start with the Danny Lee’s because there is a LOT going on with that club including first and foremost – it’s one nasty wand:

  • Super Rat head shape with a single sight line
  • The milled (actual) loft appears to be pretty standard for Cameron Putters
  • The hosel has been bent to accommodate Danny’s “armlock” style. This keeps the loft of the head where it should be while forward pressing. This kind of adjustment would need to be made to any standard putter if you were to try the armlock, or else you would deliver negative loft at impact
  • The shaft is LA Golf Shaft OZIK TP — a shaft designed to remove undesirable vibration through the shaft, while also reducing putter head oscillation at impact. Not a surprise considering the number of multi material/graphite putter shafts that are available right now to help improve consistency.
  • Last but not least a SuperStroke Flatso grip installed with the flat part of the grip aligned parallel to the putter face! This isn’t the first time we’ve seen something like this, and it makes sense – Utilizing the orientation of the grip to create greater awareness of the face angle can help players of all skill levels create more consistent results, even tour pros.

Danny has had an interesting golf bag to follow this season with a number of changes coming almost weekly from irons to putters. Maybe this change could help turn his putting around (currently ranked 116th in strokes gained: putting), all while still being inside the top 50 in the FedEx Cup.

Now to Abraham Ancer’s new Custom DASS BBZero Tour Dept. Putter.

  • This putter is based off of the BBZerostyle head with rounded bumpers and a plumbers neck
  • Compared to the BBZero though, the heel is thicker and it could have a slightly shorter blade length (TBD)
  • It has a recessed sight line on the top that runs perpendicular to the sight line in the flange to form a “T.” This is interesting for a couple of reasons including that it looks to be the width of a golf ball, which could help Abraham find the center better. Also as a right-handed golfer, this type of alignment is an indication that he is most likely right-eye dominant and uses the face of the putter to align to the target as much if not more than the flange line.
  • Just like Danny’s above, this putter is also shafted with the LA Golf Shaft OZIK TP — there must be something about that that has more players testing it out.
  • And finally, the grip is the SuperStroke Claw. Judging by the cleanliness of both these grips these are both new to the players and testing will prove what ends up come tournament time.

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Forum Thread of the Day: “Iron type for controlling shots into the wind?”

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Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from eckmanjp who is on the hunt for irons to help with controlling shots played into the wind. Our members give their opinions on what are the best options for eckmanjp, with plenty of different clubs and shafts recommended.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • driveandputtmachine: “Into the wind, spin is NOT your friend. No matter how low launching it will balloon. I was an extremely high spin player, in my search for something lower spinning my three best were…. TM P 790, Cobra Forged TEC, and Ping i500.The final piece is a shaft that spins high enough to hold greens, but not too high to balloon into the wind.”
  • mogc60: “Sounds like you have good clubs and shaft combo for reducing spin. Shafts do make a difference…but don’t cure the upshoot into the wind. Good advice above about more club and swinging slower…speed equals spin. I find the biggest mistake people make into the wind is playing the ball too far back and hitting down too hard. The key is smooth through impact and finishing low in your follow through…not pounding it down…that creates that upshooting shot that the wind destroys.”
  • dpb5031: “Technique plays the major role here, not equipment. Generally, anywhere from 1 to 3 extra club, grip down on the handle, and use what I call a wide-to-wide swing at 3/4 speed. Think limited arm swing (no longer than left arm parallel with the ground in BS) and then cover the ball, keep body turning through it, and finish wide & low, with handle following your rotating trunk around to the left.”
  • rxk9fan: “I think the head/shaft combo can make a huge difference of course along with how you deliver the clubhead into the ball. Take a look at the Titleist shaft chart and see what they are showing. FWIW though, the OP’s current shaft should not be a high launch/high spin shaft. I found both the 716 AP2 and CB to be tough to control spin with, but as suggested it was 100% my delivery at impact. I found the Srixon Z9xx series to spin less but the best thing I did was get to a quality teacher, and we improved a pretty tiny swing flaw that had a big impact on spin. Good luck. I can say I tried to “new club” my way through the spin problem, but three lessons is what it took to fix it.”

Entire Thread: “Iron type for controlling shots into the wind?”

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