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Counterbalancing can take many forms, from higher balance point shafts, to heavier grips. This video explains how this relates to club building, along with the benefits of counterbalancing from both a player and design perspective.

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Ryan Barath is a club-fitter & master club builder with more than 17 years of experience working with golfers of all skill levels, including PGA Tour players. He is the former Build Shop Manager & Social Media Coordinator for Modern Golf. He now works independently from his home shop and is a member of advisory panels to a select number of golf equipment manufacturers. You can find Ryan on Twitter and Instagram where he's always willing to chat golf, and share his passion for club building, course architecture and wedge grinding.

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  1. geohogan

    Dec 9, 2018 at 9:50 pm

    Ball to clubface impact is 5, 10,000 of a second. Our friend Steve is worried counter balancing a golf club, will dull the percussion of the sweet spot; as if he can detect the difference in vibration. The guy must be a human seismograph.

    Release is a bad word for many of us, Steve. We know many like you, use your hands to attempt to square the clubface at impact(in other words, RELEASE) and we wish you luck. For the rest of us, we are happy to use body rotation to square the clubface.
    Counter balancing is helpful for those of us pulling the butt end of the lever through impact.
    Ref. K Miura’s paper, Parametric Acceleration.

    Stay away from the junk science papers titled , parametric acceleration, written in America. Pseudo experts who ripped off the concept of parametric acceleration from Miura, to advance their pseudo scientific concept of release of the club(with hands) through impact. Pure fiction, like your “dulling of the percussion of the sweet spot”.

  2. steve

    Nov 20, 2018 at 6:48 pm

    This is fuuuun …. 😀

  3. Ed

    Nov 20, 2018 at 12:28 pm

    I always understood that increasing the MOI of the clubhead effectively increased its resistance to twisting on off-center ball contact. It that is true, when you counterbalance a golf club by adding a weight to the butt end of the grip should increase the MOI of the club. If that is true wouldn’t it be more stable during the swing? Thanks

    • steve

      Nov 20, 2018 at 6:26 pm

      Nope… because you must link MOI to axis/axes of rotation. The clubhead and putter has an axis related to impact ‘sweet spot’… and the MOI reacts to heel or toe hits.
      Counterbalancing with backweighting affects the MOI axis for the entire club. The club feels more ‘stable’ in the swing but upon ‘impact’ it is sub-optimal for exchange of energy.

  4. Bruce

    Nov 20, 2018 at 9:36 am

    I hold graduate degrees in engineering and understand the physics of objects – like golf clubs – in motion.
    Swingweight is a marketing tool developed long ago. It measures how a club “feels” when it is NOT in motion, but has nothing to say about moving the club – hitting a ball.
    Hitting a ball is a circular or curved motion motion – as such physics teaches the important parameter is moment of inertia OF THE ENTIRE CLUB – not just club head like driver MOI.
    Golf club moment of inertia can be measured quite simply with a pendulum device and matching this across a set produces uniform feel. Single length clubs accomplish this match by design and work well – think Bryson who also understands physics.

    • steve

      Nov 20, 2018 at 6:38 pm

      dy/dx Bruce. Swingweight is NOT SwingINGweight, it’s the First/Polar MOI… and when you swing the club you experience the Second/Mass MOI. What is being discussed here is the “great feeeel” a gearhead feels when he backweights a club and if it feeels good it must be goood for distance and control… regardless of the physics… lol

    • steve

      Nov 20, 2018 at 6:47 pm

      dy/dx, Bruce …. 😉

  5. Arse

    Nov 20, 2018 at 2:41 am

    Counter-balancing is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
    It works, because unlike steve, none of us would put a half pound of anything onto a swinging golf club, because we are not stupid. There is a limit to everything, just like a very limited knowledge steve has about decency and ethics and life in general as he is disconnected from it.
    Counter-balance works because it helps to lever the movement of your hands, and this leverage action is the key. It also helps to make the heavier head weight not feel as heavy. It also helps to square up the face with the mechanical lever action, and there is nothing wrong with adding a mechanical component to the swing to help you square it up.
    I am putting it in layman’s terms because that’s all steve understands. He has not given us one single mechanism of action of a lever in a golf swing as it pertains to the MOI of the golf club head in balance with the MOI with the golfer’s swing itself, because he doesn’t understand what MOI is in golf.
    drum roll please….. thank you

    • steve

      Nov 20, 2018 at 6:42 pm

      Right on A r s e… and don’t forget the great results you get when you counterbalance your pot belly with your big a r s e when swinging the insignificant club MOI/leverage/torque/whatever… LOL

      • Arse

        Nov 21, 2018 at 9:47 am

        As everybody was saying, you are just a child. Where is your mother.

        • steve

          Nov 21, 2018 at 2:16 pm

          … and you A r s e know nothing about “leverage” and “MOI” within the golf swing because your above comments reveal your abject ignorance about dynamics and the laws of motion. You are beyond ignorant now that you are depending on consensus opinion from the rest of the dummies you descend into stupidity. Pfffttt….

  6. Dan Cons

    Nov 19, 2018 at 6:42 pm

    I’ve recently added weight to the butt of the putter and I’ve been putting better. Jack Nicholas also payed grips with weights in the butt end. Sergio does it also but. Think he uses setting to limit vibration in the shaft.

  7. Dan C

    Nov 19, 2018 at 6:41 pm

    I’ve recently added weight to the butt of the putter and I’ve been putting better. Jack Nicholas also payed grips with weights in the butt end. Sergio does it also but. Think he uses setting to limit vibration in the shaft.

  8. Z

    Nov 19, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    Show me how to counterbalance my driver. What swinger characteristics would most benefit counterbalancing

    • steve

      Nov 19, 2018 at 10:00 pm

      Go to the hardware store and buy a short steel bolt which will slip into the butt end of your driver shaft. Lightly epoxy it in place. Slip the grip over the shaft and swing away… you will be disappointed. If it works then you have a “lazy release” and the counterweight is helping you flip the handle through impact. Most duffers have a lazy release and can’t square up the clubface at impact. Pa thetic…

  9. joro

    Nov 19, 2018 at 12:00 pm

    I have a set of Wilson C00 Irons that I put a set of 165gr. grips on. They feel great, a little light in the head feel but they feel good. The benefits are that they are much straighter and longer than before and easy to swing. I have also done the same with a 5 wood and pow. I have always been a head feel guy but as I am much older now it is all about picking up speed, and this really helps.

    • steve

      Nov 19, 2018 at 10:03 pm

      The CW helps your ‘older’ swing because you have developed a “lazy release” and your clubhead wobbles approaching impact. The CW helps you flip the handle at your slower swing speed. What you ‘feel’ is the CW flipping your weak hands.

      • Arse

        Nov 21, 2018 at 9:48 am

        Yeah, that’s why a majority of the long drivers use counter balance. You’re so dumb

        • steve

          Nov 21, 2018 at 2:20 pm

          Are you certain about that… and if so please provide proof of your asinine a s s ertion…. we’re waiting … go ahead… and don’t fall into your own hole… (_º_)

  10. HDTVMAN

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:39 am

    Very good explanation. I sell Ping products and had no idea that the Alta shaft was counterbalanced. It’s a good selling point.

    • steve

      Nov 19, 2018 at 10:08 pm

      It is if your customer has a slow swing speed less than 85 mph.

  11. Dtrain

    Nov 19, 2018 at 11:23 am

    I can’t for the life of me understand why you would want this in a putter. I went through a putter fitting and found I totally lost the feel of the clubhead. Then again I had these new fat grips as well, I like the more traditional size. I want to feel the putter swing. YMMV.

    • Jay Anderson

      Nov 19, 2018 at 6:10 pm

      I use a Boccieri heavy putter because, being self-employed, my nerves are frazzled. For me it feels as though the grip the shaft ,and the putter head are all one-piece. It is a revelation when I first tried it.

    • steve

      Nov 19, 2018 at 10:06 pm

      Your “feel” is correct… because the shift of weight towards the butt end deadens impact and feel of clubhead. It’s a scientific fact.

  12. Matt

    Nov 18, 2018 at 12:54 am

    In General which types of swingers benefit, or don’t, from counterbalancing?

    • steve

      Nov 18, 2018 at 2:08 am

      In General… counterbalancing is a fraud because it dulls the sweetspot on the putter or club face. It makes swinging the club feel easier but that is not the solution to a slow speed swing. Counterbalancing a putter is totally wrong and counterproductive to energy transfer from putter head to ball.

      • HS

        Nov 18, 2018 at 10:13 am

        again, this steve dude know nothing, because he’s a moron

        • steve

          Nov 18, 2018 at 2:58 pm

          I’ll put my engineering degree up against your community college diploma in sport journalism any day… doofus

          • Big Tata

            Nov 19, 2018 at 2:57 am

            What a loser

          • Ee

            Nov 19, 2018 at 3:01 am

            Explain to us what dulling the sweetspot on the putter face means in scientific terms. How big or small a sweetspot does it have to be to feel any dullness at all. What kind of sweet spot does it have to be. What sort of materials would make for not so much dulling or not. Explain to us what the physics involved are in how the energy is transferred to the clubhead from the handle, because no swinging is actually required in a putter, when the whole putter can be moved sideways without any sort of pendulum stroke at all, if one so desired.
            We’re waiting, you idiot

            • steve

              Nov 19, 2018 at 1:50 pm

              The “sweet spot” on the putter face is NOT the Center of Percussion… which is the point on the entire putter, head, shaft and grip, where you achieve maximum transfer of energy. The CofP is somewhere above the putter head. The “sweet spot” on the putter head is just longitudinal gravitational axis you get when you spin the hanging putter from the butt end. This is where the overall putter m a s s is equal on both sides of the axis. The “sweet spot” is just a line on the putter face and cannot be expanded with heel-toe weighting. Adding more weight to the butt end raises the CofP and makes the energy transfer less efficient and dulls the feel of impact. Hope that help you, you idiot.

              • Ee

                Nov 19, 2018 at 2:00 pm

                No, it doesn’t, because you don’t know anything. Well done for pulling that info from Wiki like everybody else, though, at least you can read.
                Center of percussion doesn’t work in a golf club, because we have a lie angle that’s offset. If you want to putt vertical, go ahead, you might find that percussive sweet spot better, but we have to putt on a 20 degree lie, so your theory goes bye bye, numbnuts, unlike a bat, which is in a straight line, as is a tennis racket.
                Counter-balance works because we use the sloped lie angle to sweep the head of the club or putter across and enables some to create a better handle pivot position in motion off the plane axis.

                • steve

                  Nov 19, 2018 at 9:40 pm

                  I’m not going to argue first year Engineering Dynamics with somebody who is ignorant like you. If you want to destroy yourself, add 1/2 pound of steel to the butt end of your putter as a counterweight and you will most certainly feel dull ineffective impact. CofP is solely a function of distribution of m a s s for a club, bat or racket regardless of it’s orientation. BTW, you can calculate the theoretical CofP for an eccentric object… as you can for CofM.

    • Timothy

      Nov 19, 2018 at 12:37 pm

      I’m a senior golfer with a pretty slow swing speed. If’ve found that my Ping hybrids, which have an Alta counterbalanced shaft, have a higher ball flight and great feel. You can actually feel the kick of the shaft in your downswing. From my point of view they’re beneficial for a slow swinger like myself.

      • steve

        Nov 19, 2018 at 1:56 pm

        Your problem is that you are getting weak and can’t develop enough hand speed to crisply release the club through impact. Counterweighting will help you flip the hybrid club faster as you approach impact. The higher ball flight and greater distance is because you are squaring the clubface with the help of the counterweight. If you had an efficient swing without the counterweight you would hit it even farther.

      • steve

        Nov 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm

        Your problem is you are age weakening and can’t develop enough hand speed to crisply release the club through impact. Counterweighting will help you flip the hybrid club faster as you approach impact. The higher ball flight and greater distance is because you are squaring the clubface with the help of the counterweight. If you had an efficient swing without the counterweight you would hit it even farther.

      • steve

        Nov 19, 2018 at 9:47 pm

        Your problem is you don’t develop enough hand speed to crisply release the club through impact. Counterweighting will help you flip the hybrid club faster through impact. The higher flight and greater distance is because you are squaring the clubface with the help of the counterweight. If you had an efficient swing without the counterweight you would hit it even farther.

      • steve

        Nov 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm

        Your problem is you can’t develop enough hand speed to crisply release the club through impact. Counterweighting will help you flip the hybrid club faster as you approach impact. The higher ball flight and greater distance is because you are squaring the clubface with the help of the counterweight. If you had an efficient swing without the counterweight you would hit it even far ther.

        • Arse

          Nov 21, 2018 at 9:50 am

          That’s weird, how does a fulcrum work in a pivot motion? What do you think the counterbalance does to the handle end? It flips the club faster, therefore you gain more clubhead speed because it acts as a better pendulum. Duh

          • steve

            Nov 21, 2018 at 2:31 pm

            A fulcrum is the support about which a lever pivots. In a free body, such as a club in a golfswing, the point around which rotation occurs is not a fulcrum, it’s an axis. At the top of swing reversal the left or rear hand is a fulcrum. When the club is rotating in the downswing it is kinetic energy flow that is causing rotation, not a hand force couple… unless you believe you should be torquing the club handle through impact…

  13. sam navarro

    Nov 17, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    how will installing jumbo max grips effect swingweight and balance

    • steve

      Nov 17, 2018 at 9:16 pm

      Heavier jumbo grips will move the club balance point towards the butt end.
      Swingweight is the static First MOI as in a lever calculation M x radius.
      MOI matching is the dynamic Second MOI and is calculated by M x radius^squared.
      …. where M = m a s s … which is blocked in the swearbot filter…!!!

      • geohogan

        Nov 17, 2018 at 11:18 pm

        5 grams of weight added to the butt end of the golf club will lower SW by about one SW.

        Add 50 grams, and SW can change from D2 to C2.

        Replace a 50 gram putter grip with Jumbo Max 122 grams and SW will change by about 14 points.

        • geohogan

          Nov 17, 2018 at 11:26 pm

          For every 5 grams added to the butt end (moves Center of gravity of the entire club toward the butt), 2 grams of weight can be added to the clubhead to offset the counterbalancing and SW will be the same as before counter balancing and Force applied to the ball will be increased, assuming acceleration remains the same as previous.

          Since we feel more heft in the hands, our subconscious will tend to produce more effort, that may also increase acceleration.

          (just as we swing with much more acceleration when we grip the club at the clubhead rather than the butt end of the club)

        • geohogan

          Nov 18, 2018 at 12:07 am

          Force=ma

          To offset counterbalance of butt end. eg 10 grams
          4 grams can be added to the clubhead. That will put SW back where it was before counterbalancing + add to the Force applied to the ball, assuming acceleration is the same.

          Adding weight to the butt end also fools the subconscious to use more effort, just as we exert more effort to pick up an object we know is heavy compared to an object that is known to be light in weight.

        • steve

          Nov 18, 2018 at 2:12 am

          1 ounce = 28.4 grams.
          Adding 50 or more grams to the butt end of a club or putter is scientifically insane.. 😮

      • Meme

        Nov 18, 2018 at 10:15 am

        you only wish you could counterbalance your boyfriend’s pole steve

    • gps

      Nov 17, 2018 at 11:09 pm

      5 grams of weight added at the butt end will change SW by about one swing weight.

      A std grip has been 50 grams. Force=ma ie mass x acceleration. By counterbalancing a driver at a given SW, we can then add weight to the clubhead to bring SW back to normal, increasing Force
      applied to the ball with the same clubhead speed before counter balancing.

      Counter balancing fools our subconscious to exert more effort due to more heft felt in the hands, just as we apply more effort to lift an object that we know weighs more than a lighter object.

      Change 50 gram putter grip on putter with D1 swing weight; will become about C5 swing weight with a 122 gram grip.

    • gps

      Nov 17, 2018 at 11:14 pm

      5 grams added to the butt end will change the SW by about 1 SW point

      Force=ma
      ie force applied to the ball is equally dependent upon mass of the clubhead and acceleration.

      If shaft is counter balanced, then we can add weight to the clubhead to increase force applied to the ball, without changing the swing weight feel of the club.

  14. steve

    Nov 17, 2018 at 6:13 pm

    Scientifically speaking…. counterbalancing is adding weight to the handle butt end… NOT just adding weight in the top 14 inches unless the shaft is top heavy.
    Raising the center of m a s s of the entire club will also raise the center of percussion and dull the clubface sweet spot. Not good.

    • steve

      Nov 17, 2018 at 6:14 pm

      Why is the forum swearbot filter so sensitive that it won’t post the word “m a s s”…. sheeesh

      • aga

        Nov 18, 2018 at 6:56 pm

        …. it also bans any word that contains the syllable “a s s”… like cla a a ify… a s s ume… ma s s ive… and on and on … it’s a joke !!!!

        • steve

          Nov 19, 2018 at 9:55 pm

          … also “f a r t her” …. stooopid swearbot filter gone ‘pc’…!

  15. steve

    Nov 17, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    Scientifically speaking…. counterbalancing is adding weight to the handle butt end… NOT adding weight in the top 14 inches unless the shaft is top heavy.
    Raising the center of mass of the entire club will also raise the center of percussion and dull the clubface sweet spot. Not good.

  16. JP

    Nov 17, 2018 at 9:21 am

    I don’t have audio here. Can’t these be transcribed?

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Q&A: Martin Trainer on his Bobby Grace “Greg Chalmers” putter, 6.5-degree driver, and “butter knife” 2-iron

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As unbiasedly as I can put it, Martin Trainer has one of the coolest club setups in professional golf. (At some point soon, I’ll put together a top-10 list of “coolest club setups on Tour,” but I know that Trainer will be in the top-10)

What a lineup. He plays a 6.5-degree Wilson prototype driver, a 13-degree Wilson prototype 3-wood, a true blade Wilson Staff Model 2-iron, and a Bobby Grace “Greg Chalmers Commemorative” putter!

 

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I mean, look at this 2-iron from address…

To quote the great author R.L. Stine: “Goosebumps.”

On Wednesday at the 2024 Texas Children’s Houston Open, I caught up with Trainer to learn more about his bag setup.

Here’s what he had to say:

You have the Internet going crazy over your bag setup, and your putter. Where’d you pick the Bobby Grace-Greg Chalmers putter up? How long have you had it?

MT: This was from when Bobby Grace came to my course in California: Cal Club. And for whatever reason, they just started having them in the shop. So then I took my buddy’s, started using it, and made, like, a million putts in a row, which is how every putter story begins, I guess.

And then, I bought a couple of my own, used it for years, got to the Tour with it, won on Tour with it (the 2019 Puerto Rico Open). Then, about a year later, started using another putter, did that for a couple years, but now it’s back in the bag.

When did it come back in the bag?

MT: December of this past year. So a few months ago.

What year would you say was the first time you threw that in the bag, or, like, when you bought it?

MT: God…Probably, 2016, maybe? 2018?

Do you remember how much you paid for it?

MT: I don’t know, actually. Maybe $100-150 bucks or something. I think that’s the only golf club I’ve bought between high school and now. Well, two, since I bought two of them.

The driver is interesting, too. What went into the prototyping process?

MT: That was a version of the current driver, but it was the prototype that they first came out with for Tour guys to try. And for whatever reason, I just never switched out to the new one.

It’s just 6.5 degrees, right?

MT: Yeah. Very low loft, yeah.

What kind of ball speed do you have with that these days?

MT: Like high 170’s.

Yeah, that’ll work. And then a 2-iron blade? We’re seeing fewer and fewer of those out here.

MT: Yeah. The butter knife.

Very cool thing to have in the bag. Have you done any testing with driving irons? 

MT: Yeah, I used to have a thicker one, but it was a little offset, and I never hit it that well. And then finally, I started messing around with the butter knife. And I remember the first time I looked down at it, I was terrified. And then I ended up getting used to it, putting it in play, and it’s been in place since. It’s a pretty good club for me.

How far do you carry that? 

MT: Like 235.

A good little wind club, I’m sure.

MTL Yeah, exactly. I can hit it very low. It’s great.

I love it. You have people shook looking at that. Thanks for the time, man. 

MT: Absolutely.

To see more photos and discussion of Trainer’s bag, click here.

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Spotted: Tony Finau’s driver shaft change at the 2024 Texas Children’s Houston Open

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Tony Finau has always been known as one of the longest players on the PGA Tour, but he has recently been working on adding a little more distance. Last year, Finau averaged 118.3 mph club head speed and 178.08 mph ball speed, all while playing a Mitsubishi Diamana D+ Limited 70 TX driver shaft. This year, he has increased his club head speed to 123.93 mph and his ball speed to 183.32 mph.

However, Finau’s overall distance has decreased by two yards in that time. From a fitting perspective, something was amiss. We asked Tony about the shaft change at the Texas Children’s Hospital Open.

“[I’m seeing] better numbers with the spin. My driver’s been a little high spin for me over the last month or so, and so I just figured it was time to probably check out the equipment,” Finau said. “And it definitely showed me that I was using a shaft that’s maybe a little too tip-stiff for me, the way I load the club now. [I’m seeing] better numbers with the spin.”

Finau switched from the Mitsubishi Diamana D+ Limited 70 TX into the Diamana GT 70 TX. The newer Diamana GT has a slightly different profile than the D+ Limited with the stiffest handle section in the Diamana lineup. The mid sections between the two are similar stiffness but the tip is just slightly stiffer in the Diamana GT. Both shafts are within one gram of each other in the 70 TX. The torque rating on the GT is 0.1 higher than the D+Limited’s 2.7 measurement.

Mitsubishi lists the Diamana GT as a shaft between the mid-launching Diamana TB and the new low-launch Diamana WB shafts. For most players, it would be considered a mid/low launch and low-spin shaft option. Mitsubishi’s Xlink Tech Resin System makes sure the maximum carbon fiber content is there for smooth feel without reducing the strength of the shaft. MR70 carbon fiber is used for reinforcing the shaft and boron is used in the tip for its high strength and compression properties.

Finau is still using his trusty Ping G430 LST driver in 9 degrees and has the adjustable hosel set to -1 degree of loft (standard lie angle). Finau’s long-time favorite Lamkin UTX Green grip is installed. He definitely has a few extra wraps of tape under that grip as you can see the bulge down where the grip meets the shaft.

One final note: Per Ping’s PGA Tour rep Kenton Oates, Finau’s driver is also adjusted to play with an additional degree of loft to help dial in his desired launch.

We’ll see how he fares with the new setup this week in Houston!

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