As you probably know by now, Jason Day was testing P-760 irons against his P-750 irons on his Instagram Live feed along with iron designer Tomo Bystedt of TaylorMade.
Below is almost everything that was said during the testing session (some intermittent commentary was omitted).
Jason Day: So much stuff going on right now. My goodness. Is that where we’re set up with TrackMan, is that good?
Tomo Bystedt: We’re setup like down the center.
JD: Where we aiming?
Tomo: The far pin like way down there.
JD: Straight down the gutter. Ok ok. Alright so I’ve got 9 iron everyone. How you doin. This is Tomo. We’re gonna be testing some irons today. And I’ll let you take it from here buddy, cuz I have no idea what we’re testing. This is something new for us. Alright, what we’re doing, we’re doing TaylorMade shoots over the last day. And we’re doing it tomorrow, but we’re testing irons today. The new iron is gonna come out pretty soon here right?
Tomo: Pretty soon, yea. I think you’re going to want it pretty soon. You warmed up, you wanna hit a couple more, you good?
JD: Na dude, I’m warm. I’m always warm.
Tomo: Well Jason, so we got here today is the brand new P-760s. Take a look at that.
JD: If you can see that. 760s. It’s a 9-iron obviously. Forged. Tell me a little about this.
Tomo: I’ll put one in front of the camera here. This is our brand new forged Tour iron. It’s got a couple cool new things going on here. This is a more transitional more progressive set than our 750s that you play. Meaning that the short irons are gonna be very 750 like, like really through the 8 iron, and as we get into the 7, they’re gonna go into this two-piece construction with Speed Foam in it.
JD: That’s what I was thinking. I thought they had Speed Foam in it. So, what’s the advantages, what can you do to get me out of my 750s into the 760s.
Tomo: Great question. So what we’re gonna do is get you more playability in your long irons so they’re gonna go a little higher.
JD: We’re gonna test it. We’re doing it live.
Tomo: But what we don’t want to do is give up any feel or control that you currently have with your 750s. So a more playability and more distance. Especially as you get into the 3 and 4 irons, you’re going to get more COR in these heads where you’re probably going to see 5-7 yards more distance. So not massive difference, not a 790 type distance.
JD: You said 5-7? I’m gonna hold you to that. So I’ve currently got a 9-iron, my 9-iron from my current set is a 750. So tell me how far this is carrying.
Tomo: Yea we’ve got Trackman going here. So, is that a good benchmark there?
JD: Eh. It was ok.
Carry was 153.
JD: So if I’m hitting summertime like right now, I usually hit it about 160. I caught it a bit heavy.
About 158 carry.
JD: A good Tuesday swing. I’m not amped. Trying to get through the day. Bloody TaylorMade has been chasing me all over the shop. So I’ve got the new 760s.
Shot. 760 9-iron.
JD: It felt solid. Nice little baby draw, which is good.
Tomo: So give me your first comments… feel, look?
JD: It felt stable. The feel of it I know… How do I explain this? It felt soft but firm. How do you get that?
Tomo: You might notice if you take a look at the sole grind, it’s a little different leading edge than what you have currently in your 750s. See that leading edge? See how there’s a little bevel there? Trying to get that camber.
JD: How far’d that go?
JD: Well, this is the thing. The short iron won’t change too much.
Tomo: It’s not gonna change distance wise, we’re trying to make it more playable, make it a little bit more forgiving. But basically the same look and feel and distance that you have today.
JD: So what we’re trying to accomplish here is making sure that the clubs perform better, so that I change into them. If they don’t perform better, I won’t change into them.
Tomo: Correct, exactly, that’s the goal.
JD: And this is what makes it competitive for these guys. The guy Tomo standing behind the camera, why he gets up every morning, is to try and make a product that’s better for not only me but for you guys as well. But, talking about it, it felt nice and stable. It was a softer feel. It felt good through the turf. It wasn’t digging even though you do have a bit of a change here. It feels pretty dang good right now. I’m gonna hit another shot with it. The actual height of it was pretty nice. Was there any difference?
Launch was extremely comparable… Next shot.
JD: That was flush. That was good. Just a good solid shot.
Tomo: Excellent. Alright, let’s move onto the 7 iron. In the 7 iron you should see a little bit more of a difference, you’re probably gonna pick up a couple yards. You can take a look at the shape, if you put it down as well next to the golf ball. They’re gonna be similar, a little straighter leading edge in the 760s.
JD: The topline right now… is a little thicker.
Tomo: Just a little. Just a shade.
JD: Just a little bit thicker than my current 750s. But obviously you have to make them a little bit thicker because you drop the speed foam in there.
Tomo: Also, we want to start introducing a little bit more playability…
JD: So for you, what do you mean by playability?
Tomo: On that little mishit, a couple millimeters on the toe or the heel, it’s going to come out a little better, a little more consistent.
JD: And that’s what you want, as a guy that builds irons at TaylorMade?
Tomo: We’re not talking maximum forgiveness compared to a game-improvement club, just a shade more than we have your 750s.
JD: I’m gonna hit it ok, but how do you sell it to the people who are watching this?
Tomo: Well this is for a better player. This is not for a 20 handicap, or even a 10 handicap. This is for your scratch-ish. 0-5s. Single digits.
Tomo: Alright, that was a nice ball flight. Hard to see obviously on Instagram here.
JD: Well there’s a wind sock over there it’s coming down off the right. That’s why it has a little bit of a draw.
Tomo: Alright, quick comment on the feel, sound.
JD: Felt good, sound was nice. Felt pretty dang stable. It’s kinda hard to tell cuz I haven’t hit a 7 iron yet. I have to test it up against that (750s). What was the distance on that?
Shot 183 yards.
Tomo: Which I think should be kinda in your wheelhouse, maybe a couple yards longer. But not dramatic on the 7. It’s gonna build up as you get into the 3, 4, 5 irons.
JD: Well if it builds up that’s a good thing. I don’t want it to go crazy long.
Tomo: And that’s the goal with these irons. These are not 790s, they’re not gonna be super hot. They’re gonna just give you a little bit more playability again in that 7 and up, as they get into the longer irons.
JD: The actual weight and feel of it is pretty good.
JD: I think they’re coming out higher.
Tomo: Yea, that’s exactly right. They’re gonna come out a little bit higher, but spin should be very comparable… Gimmie one more and then let’s hit some 5 irons.
JD: What we can do is talk about the iron a little bit more compared to my 750s. Like I said the actual weight of it itself is… pretty good in regards to that.
Tomo: Let’s get the 5 iron, I wanna get a few 5 irons. Let’s take a look, let’s see if I can get a good address view from the two clubs (5 irons). Pretty similar
JD: Yea very similar. So you can see the topline is a shade thicker (760)… This is probably a little bit less offset (750). But overall the shape is pretty good. Not a huge difference. And obviously we have the speed foam here. So let’s see how this one goes. It’s hot here in Florida… we’re on the eastside so we’ve missed the hurricane which is good.
Shot with 5 iron.
Tomo: That was pure.
JD: Yea, so my concern with what you guys did on the leading edge here. I thought when you look at something like that it has the potential to bounce a little bit too much, or even dig, depending on how sharp it is. But looking down at it, it looks good. Going through the turf, feels good, it doesn’t bounce too much. Which is great…If you’re looking at that, right here, it’s not hitting the ground and bouncing up, which is a good sign.
Tomo: Again, it’s supposed to glide through the turf better.
JD: Yea, I mean, it feels pretty solid. I’m pleased with it. I’ve gotta do more testing with it to really…
Tomo: Put it through its paces, right? That’s what we’ve always done Jason, in the past. Every set. Back n the RSi TP’s we did that, PSi’s, when we got into the 750s. It’s a good process.
JD: So that was a mishit. But, I’m not gonna sell you guys on it. I want, I want to give you a real version of what I feel like. I’m gonna do extensive testing on it before I actually change into an iron. I might not even change into this iron. I might change into another iron that TaylorMade releases. But… from what I feel, and what I get, it’s feeling pretty good.
Tomo: Excellent. That’s good, it’s a good start. You know we haven’t always been there right, Jason? Some years we don’t quite get it right, but…
JD: No, there’s some years that I’ve gone through a couple seasons where I haven’t even changed irons.
JD: But right now they feel pretty dang good. And it’s really hard right now to be able to play a cut and a draw because it’s practically down wind, so it’s gonna be very very straight.
Tomo: So I think we’re gonna wrap it up there. Maybe we can get one long iron shot from you?
JD: So are there any questions from the people?
Tomo: Someone’s asking how much you bench.
JD: How much do you bench? No I don’t bench that much, cuz my chest, I’m trying to get my chest a little bit smaller.
Tomo: Someone asked you why don’t you play the Ryder Cup, there’s a pretty simple answer.
JD: That’s a very simple question, because I’m not from Europe and I’m not from America (laughs).
Tomo: So Jason, any kind of last comments, words to your fans on Instagram?
JD: Not really. I mean this is kind of the process that we go through when we’re trying new things. Like I said earlier… we’re here in Florida and we’re testing new gear for next season. We’ve got new gear, exciting gear coming out, more equipment. And we got, obviously the 760s that we just unveiled in front of your eyes. We go through and do all the photoshoots and commercials and do all this stuff for the next two days. And we test stuff. And we got some exciting things. And it’ll take me a while. It always takes me the winter time or a month or so to try and find an iron that finally fits, or a driver that finally fits as well. So I currently have a 3 iron right now. And it feels a little bit heavier than my current 3 iron.
Tomo: A couple questions that came thru… How far do you normally hit your 3 iron?
JD: So my 3 iron right now, on a normal day right now, about 85 degrees, it goes about 250 yards… I use it more as a driving iron. I do use it for sectional par 5s (into par 5s). But my 3 iron does go about 250… I’ve got TaylorMade 750s all the way through from 3 iron to pitching wedge, and I’m currently testing out the 760s, with speed foam, injected speed foam.
Tomo: Exactly. Let’s go.
Tomo: Alright guys we’re gonna wrap it up there. Thanks everybody for tuning in. We’re here in Florida with Jason Day. Thanks a lot.
JD: Appreciate you guys for stopping by. I know it was really quick. I’d love to talk about it more, and I’d really love show you what it’s like to go into actually testing new equipment and trying to change over a set of irons or a wood. I appreciate you guys for stopping by and hopefully see you guys down the road some time. Cheers.
2 GolfWRXers put 4 Miura iron models to TrackMan test
Equipment expert Brian Knudson and WRXer Jackson Elliott had a chance to put four Miura iron models to the test.
See their thoughts on the Miura club testing below, as well as their TrackMan data. For all heads, Knudson uused the Project X 6.0, and Jackson used the Ping AWT 2.0. Knudson is an 8.8 handicap, and Jackson is a 16.
BN: I love the look of blades, but know they don’t fit my skill level. These looked great with a small footprint, topline, and squared off toe. The back “muscle” has a great look that grabs your attention. The feel of the 501 is Miura soft and very solid. Responsiveness is phenomenal, you can really tell where on the face you made contact. For some reason this was the iron I had the tightest dispersion with, we couldn’t figure out what made that happen!
JE: I thought the 501s looked pretty good, they seemed a little boxier than I’m used to, but the top-down view was by no means a turn-off. The ball exploded off the head when I managed to find center face, but I hit more bad shots than good. Definitely a far cry in terms of forgiveness compared to my game improvement irons, but the extra distance I gained almost makes me think the decreased accuracy is worth it.
BN: This is the iron that I was not sure of its identity. It is overall a small profile but has a good amount off offset. Ball speed was great and it might have been the longest of the bunch. I was surprised that the feel was so soft as most hollow designs have a bit of clickiness to them. These were the longest for me by a slight margin and were one of the higher launching heads.
JE: The top ridge of the head looked a little too thick and boxy to me. It was a little distracting at first, but I got used to it after a few swings. I thought the club performed very well. The carry was longer than I was expecting, and I was able to put it near the middle fairway more times than not. In terms of performance, I think this would be the most likely to find its way into my bag.
BN: I have hit these irons previously and they are a great feeling iron. I was very impressed with how soft these irons are, maybe even softer than the MC-501. These irons are great looking as well with the sharper toe and slightly larger footprint than the MC-501. These didn’t blow me away with wild distance or ballspeed numbers, but that isn’t what they were intended for. They are just a really good players iron. The only negative thing I could say would be that they mute a little too much and you have a harder time deciphering where you made contact on the face.
JE: I thought both the 1008 and 2008 looked great, and I’d willingly put either set in my bag right now. I had a very hard time feeling any major differences between the two, but both clubs felt good in my hands. The 2008s seemed to be a bit more forgiving when it came to mishits, and the trackman numbers tended to corroborate that. My carry numbers for both clubs were nearly identical, but a few yards longer than I expected them to be.
BN: These are the big brother to the CB-1008 and they have a slightly more rounded shape. I actually like a slightly more rounded toe, so these fit my eye well. Upon the first impact you can tell these have way more power than the 1008, ball feels like it flies off the face. Forgiveness is far better allowing much better numbers on off center hits. Feel is a slight bit lacking, but for a club of its design really good.
JE: (See previous response)
Dispersion plots, trajectories
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Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from Kaexo, who asks fellow GolfWRX members for their opinion on what they feel is the best 3 wood of the recent releases. Described as the “hardest spot in the bag to settle on” by one of our members, an array of different 3 woods get a mention in Kaexo’s thread.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- Phil6380: “Cobra F8 is the best I’ve hit. Something about those rails when hitting it out of the turf. I have no fear of hitting down when needed. It’s also my most consistent club off the tee BY FAR! I give up a little distance, but when I need to hit a tight fairway, or I’m not hitting my best, that’s the club I’m grabbing.”
- calfan36: “King LTD is great if you have some speed/launch. Very low spin, very forgiving, and an amazing feel. Also, I love that I can play it shorter and easily add weight via the space port.”
- aussieb: “The two best fairways of recent releases are the G400 and Epic SZ for different reasons. G400 for forgiveness and great launch conditions from just about any lie, plus it sounds extremely solid. Might still make my bag if I can find the right shaft combo, the Epic SZ is better for me than the Rogue for adjustability, ball speeds and head shape. I found it worked off the short grass better than anything, and if I miss the fairway, it’s more likely to be the hybrid or a layup.”
- ChipNRun: “Reality check: for many golfers, the best 3W is a 4W – slightly shorter shaft for better control, and extra loft to enhance launch.”
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Last week, I posted about what clubs you can get with $500. I built a set that I would use myself to show that even golfers with particular specs can find what they want for a decent price. Overall the feedback on the post was good, but I did want to follow up since one of the commenters put me up to a challenge. See below.
Well alright James, challenge accepted.
Challenge: A set of mid-handicap clubs with stiff shafts for less than $500.
Since I was going to be building a set of a mid-handicapper, my goal was to find a driver that got solid distance, but was also forgiving. I found this R9 460 in 10.5 degrees for $65. While the paint has seen better days, this should perform exactly how we want it to. Plus it is adjustable.
The 3-wood search stumped me for a bit. I couldn’t figure out what I wanted to go with. I knew I didn’t want a strong three wood and I knew I needed something with forgiveness. After some searching I found a Ping K15 16 degree with a stiff shaft. While the loft is higher, I have found that many higher handicap amateurs can find good use out of a higher lofted 3-wood. On top of that, the K15 is an incredibly easy to hit and forgiving head.
I knew what most mid-handicappers would have a hard time hitting a 2 or 3-iron, so my mind immediately went to a 3-iron hybrid. After some searching, I stumbled on this Ping Rapture V2 with a stiff shaft. Historically, the Raptures have been really easy to hit which makes this a great addition to the bag.
I had the hardest time in this entire process finding irons. There were just too many to choose from. You had great player irons like the Ping S57 and you also had the super game improvement Adams irons. To find something slightly more in the middle, but still easy to hit, I went with the 2012 TaylorMade CBs. A great year for TaylorMade irons and easy to hit with the irons only going down to the 4. This is where someone can have some fun with their choices if they want.
Wedge shopping was still hard this time around. Since the PW in the iron set was strong, I knew I needed a stronger gap wedge. I found a Callaway X-Jaws 50-degree for $24. Really, the entire point of the 50 is to have another iron and bridge the gap to the sand wedge. Speaking of the sand wedge, I went with the 56-degree Ping Gorge SS wedge. It has good grooves and will get the job done around the greens. For the lob wedge, I went with the Cleveland RTX 2.0 60 degree: A really solid wedge with good groves to give you the zip you need around the greens.
And finally, I went with another great blade putter for $55. Honestly, there were a lot of different options in the range from mallets to blades, so don’t be afraid to search around.
In summary, anyone and any skill level and swing speed can find something in the used market. In fact, it was even easier to find clubs in stiff than X-stiff because most X-stiff clubs are custom and are in less demand making, them more rare and expensive than stiff clubs. Take a look, you never know what you may find.
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