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There are a variety of reasons you can miss shots, but from a directional stand point, lie angles are one of the most critical factors. The vertical line test, is a simple way to quickly and easily figure out if your lie angles are right for you and help you figure out why you are missing your target.

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Ryan Barath is a club fitter and master club builder who has more than 15 years experience working with golfers of all skill levels, including PGA Tour professionals. He studied business and marketing at the Mohawk College in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, and is the former Build Shop Manager & Social Media Coordinator for Modern Golf located in Toronto. He now works independently from his home shop in Hamilton and is a member of advisory panels to a select number of golf equipment manufacturers, including True Temper. You can find Ryan on Twitter and Instagram where he's always willing to chat golf, from course architecture to physics, and share his passion for club building, and wedge grinding.

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  1. Ben Robertson

    Oct 7, 2018 at 5:25 am

    Anyone use this exercise for determing the right lie angle for their putter?

  2. geohogan

    Oct 4, 2018 at 11:12 pm

    If your shafts have zero kick, zero droop and zero torque at impact then dynamic lie angle will be consistent throughout the iron set.

    If shafts are as Moe Norman labelled them, “Licorice sticks”, then every shaft throughout the iron set, may have unique dynamic lie angles. A very good reason to use a quality shaft.

  3. jesse parkison

    Oct 4, 2018 at 1:21 pm

    I love this trick and use it often when I am having ball flight issues. HERE’S A TIP: when using dry-erase marker the post-impact club mark will not show up if you take a large divot or the ground is wet. Both water and dirt at velocity will remove the dry erase marker. I only perform this trick off a mat/pad, and a dry mat is best. Alternatively you can put tape on your club face to help the ink stick.

  4. Johnny Penso

    Oct 3, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    My fitter did that test with me when he was checking the lie angles of my Dad’s old Wilson Staff blades after I took them in for re-gripping. Worked well for me.

  5. williamhiiWyahoo.com

    Oct 3, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    hers what I know…I go places and they try to tell me that Im 1.5* upright…. I am not! I play my irons 2* FLAT. If i touch a iron iron thats upright it either shanks or hooks lol
    I build and do all my own clubs

  6. Stewart Franks

    Oct 3, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    This method only works if you are hitting shots with a square clubface. So make sure you have something measuring clubface

  7. stevet

    Oct 3, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    There is a “static” lie angle at address and a “dynamic” lie angle at impact.
    At static address the club heel should be touching the ground with the toe off the ground. At impact the shaft tip will “droop” down and the club sole will be parallel to the ground. How do you resolve these different shaft dynamics and clubhead lies in club fitting? Thanks.

  8. Howard Jones

    Oct 3, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    Yes, use a whiteboard pen or dry erase marker on the ball.
    That line will be “printed” on the face, and tell if lie angles are good or not, but its not correct that this lines dont tell us more than if we need to go up or flat, we can judge the need for how much we need to adjust with this labels top make it way easier.

    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1355102-open-source-face-labels-for-lie-angle-diy-lie-angle-testing/

    • Ryan B

      Oct 3, 2018 at 8:10 pm

      Hi Howard,

      That’s a great tool! You provide a lot of great input here on GolfWRX. I like to use a sharpie and take the marks off with acetone but 100& dry erase are a great solution too.

      I prefer to use the line test as a starting point and finalize using ball flight and launch monitor.

      Cheers

  9. Paul Portney

    Oct 3, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    This was interesting to watch, so thanks for posting it. Is the idea to see the mark on your clubface left by the line you suggest putting on the ball? That was a little unclear to me.

    • Josh D

      Oct 3, 2018 at 7:32 pm

      yes its so that the line transfers to the club face from the ball like u thought.

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