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Rickie Fowler sings the praises of slow greens. What do you think?

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Following his opening-round 64 at the Aberdeen Standard Investments Scottish Open yesterday, Rickie Fowler had some interesting remarks about his enjoyment of slower greens.

Writing for Golfweek, Geoff Shackelford mentioned Guillane “is playing firm and fast tee-to-fringe, the greens themselves are kept much slower than the typical European Tour course due to the possibility of high winds.”

Rickie Fowler, a past winner of the tournament, suggested slower greens may actually show who the better putters are.

“I think it’s kind of nice because (you) actually get to hit the putt, you’re not just trying to hit it to a spot and letting it work to the hole unless you have a downhill, downwind putt,” he said. ‘“You have to use your imagination as far as creativity and trying to judge how much the wind will affect it. At the end of the day, you just have to hit solid putts.”’

“Slower greens may accentuate a mis-hit putt more. Whereas if you have a downhill putt in the States you kind of just have to hit it to get it going. Here, you mis-hit it a little bit uphill, into the wind and it can be a pretty big difference.”

While Shackelford, advocate for rolling back the ball and against “firm and fast” that he is, saw great important in Fowler’s remarks, he’s not at all wrong to highlight them

What do you think, GolfWRX members? Is it worth reading anything into Fowler’s remarks? Clearly, with current ball distances, pros would be shooting fish in a barrel with their approach shots on greens that stimp at nine or 10, right?

Let us know what you think!

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  1. Raj LP

    Jul 15, 2018 at 2:40 am

    THis is a great point. I am a 7 handicap and I tend to putt a LOT better on fast pure greens than slow pure ones. On fast greens, I can actually putt to a point and let it just roll in. On slow greens I actually have to think about getting it to the hole and a lot more goes into it.

  2. Kevin Arnold

    Jul 13, 2018 at 3:32 pm

    Yes yes yes…..watching the USGA and the 15 stimp country club greens makes putting on pool tables more about luck and is so boring. It’s takes making a solid stroke out of the equation.

    Slow the greens down and make these actually hit putts on center of the face. Then watch them cringe about putts left short, instead of shaky hands scared to putt a 40 footer off the green and wacking it mid roll down the slope.

    • Noa Idea

      Jul 13, 2018 at 6:16 pm

      Slow greens will speed up play — I’m a big fan!

  3. O

    Jul 13, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    Not when the top players of the world consistently shoot 63s with that set up and laugh about how easy the course is!

    • Darryl

      Jul 16, 2018 at 5:38 am

      Winning score was 7 shots lower at the Deere Run.

  4. DB

    Jul 13, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    Completely agree. Slow down the greens AND the fairways.

    I don’t enjoy seeing Putt-Putt trick greens where they tap the ball and it rolls 30 feet. I also am a little tired of seeing drives that run out 40-50 yards.

  5. David

    Jul 13, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    I agree with Rickie. Slower greens also allow for pins to be put in positions with significantly more slope. It is very disconcerting to have a 4 footer on a slow green that you have to play a cup outside the hole sometimes.

    • Fingers

      Jul 13, 2018 at 2:04 pm

      Totally. There is a course near me that keeps their greens on the fuzzy side and while fairly flat for the most part they all have a section that has a “subtle buried elephant”. When ever you have to deal with those it can get tricky, unnerving and can really mess with your head. They require you to put a good roll on the ball. I have seen many guys that stab putts really struggle when their ball jumps a few inches out of their desired line in the first 5-10′

  6. Roy

    Jul 13, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    Yeah, sure, slow greens are fine …. as long as they’re rolled smooth, uniform, consistent, and full. Wait! Just about ANY green is good to putt on if they’re properly (read not cheaply) maintained. Meanwhile, these guys get to putt on the most pristine / consistent green surfaces on the planet. Would love to see how they handle the heat stressed Bent or Mini Verde Bermuda in the middle of the summer at my place. There can e 3+ Stemps difference and greens can be akin to putting on gravel roads at times. Wake me when corporate golf conpanies like Club Corp actually give a damn about their greens year round.

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GolfWRX Classifieds Spotlight (06/05/20) – Scotty Cameron, TaylorMade Tour, GC Quad

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At GolfWRX, we love golf equipment plain and simple

We are a community of like-minded individuals that all experience and express our enjoyment for the game in many ways. It’s that sense of community that drives day-to-day interactions in the forums on topics that range from best driver to what marker you use to mark your ball, it even allows us to share another thing – the equipment itself.

One of the best ways to enjoy equipment is to experiment and whether you are looking to buy-sell-or trade (as the name suggests) you can find almost anything in the GolfWRX BST Forum. From one-off custom Scotty Cameron Circle T putters, to iron sets, wedges, and barely hit drivers, you can find it all in our constantly updated marketplace.

These are some of the latest cool finds from the GolfWRX BST, and if you are curious about the rules to participate in the BST Forum you can check them out here: GolfWRX BST Rules

Member jadedennill – Scotty Cameron CX-01

What a great price for a limited edition putter. This Scotty Cameron CX-01 is only 1 of 500 and offers a very unique look in a higher MOI blade design.

To see the full listing and additional pictures check out the link here: Scotty CSX-01

Member nc2lane – Foresight GC Quad

This ad feels like the classic episode of “The Simpsons,” where the family travels to a quiet east coast beach town and Lisa reinvents herself for the summer. To reinvent her look she takes her mom shopping for clothes and while off-camera you here “Mom come quick BRING MONEY!”

Well, you better bring the money, because state-of-the-art launch monitors don’t come cheap, but you certainly get what you pay for with the GC Quad from Foresight.

To see the full listing and additional pictures check out the link here: GC Quad Launch Monitor

Member TheGriftKings – Unicorn 2015 8.5 M2 Driver

This is still one of the best and most sought after TaylorMade tour issue drivers of all time. This head is in amazing shape—basically new and at 8.5 degrees of loft, it’s even rarer.

To see the full listing and additional pictures check out the link here: TaylorMade M2 Driver

Remember that you can always browse the GolfWRX Classifieds any time here in our forums: GolfWRX Classifieds 

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Check out Tiger Woods’ incredible handicap index history from his entire career

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Ever wondered what Tiger Woods’ handicap index has been throughout his career? Well, one statistician, Lou Stagner of Decade Golf, did some serious number crunching and the results are fascinating. 

From 1996 right through to today, Stagner used course rating and slope for each course in his research and calculated a differential for each round to find out what Tiger’s index would have been each year of his pro career.

You can see the impressive results in the graph below.

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The results show that Woods was at his very best handicap wise in 2008 when he bossed a +9.4 index, his average index was +6.7 throughout his career, his current index is 6.5, and as Stagner noted, he was +7 or better for 35% of his handicap revisions.

It’s also worth noting that the results are not adjusted to tournament conditions. Not bad, eh?

 

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Henrik Stenson: Fan-less Ryder Cup is better than nothing

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On Thursday, ‘Henrik Stenson Almost An Hour’ podcast presented by Callaway Golf aired for the first time, with the Swede sharing his thoughts on his playing schedule going forward, the tour’s return as well as a potential spectator-less Ryder Cup.

On the new bi-weekly podcast, Stenson described the potential of a Ryder Cup with no fans as being “very blunt”, but did stress that even a spectator-less Ryder Cup is better than no Ryder Cup at all.

“For the atmosphere and for the feeling, for us as players that would be, very blunt, it would be something that you can’t really imagine at this point.

Then looking at the bigger picture, if that’s the only way that the Ryder Cup can go ahead, and if it’s not an option to play it next year with crowds, with fans, then I would prefer to play a Ryder Cup than to not play a Ryder Cup.”

Stenson revealed he wouldn’t be returning to the U.S. until mid-July, and he’s expecting the first couple of week’s back to be “messy” as the players and officials adjust to the new conditions.

“I’ll sit out a few weeks and see how everything gets going. I think it might be a little bit more messy the first couple of weeks as well before everyone finds their bearings with testing and everything.

So I’ll watch it from the couch the first couple of weeks and most likely then with the current restrictions I will travel over in mid-July to Lake Nona. I’ll have a couple of weeks of practice and then I’ll tee it up at the WGC FedEx tournament in Memphis.”

Once the 44-year-old does get Stateside again, you can expect to see him often as he plans to play “every week up until Christmas.”

“And once I get over and start playing, I can pretty much play every week up until Christmas. Because (there’s) going to be lots of golf tournaments, and it’s not going to be a shortage. So I’m just kind of tweaking my return a little bit and will probably play a bit more in the fall.”

‘Henrik Stenson Almost An Hour’ podcast presented by Callaway Golf will air every other Thursday here.

 

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