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Jack Nicklaus has an interesting idea about how to change Shinnecock for future U.S. Opens

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In his most recent 19th Hole podcast, Michael Williams asked Jack Nicklaus for his thoughts on U.S. Open setups in general and what transpired at Shinnecock in particular.

His response is noteworthy because, well, he’s Jack Nicklaus, and because his take is a fresh one in a discussion that has grown predictable and largely played out.

Nicklaus said, “I grew up playing USGA golf courses. I loved the way the USGA sets up golf courses. When you’re a junior, they set it up at the junior level…amateur set up on the amateur level, ladies set up on the ladies level and then the Open gets set up on the most difficult. That’s how I learned to play golf. That’s why majors were so important to me. And to take the U.S. Open and not make it…the toughest and the most difficult, to me, you’re making it too much like another tournament. And that’s not what I really wanted to see.”

“Now, did they set up Shinnecock poorly? No. I don’t think they set it up poorly at all. I think Mike Davis did a pretty darn good job of it. I just think that because course conditioning has changed so much, and they have courses just on the edge…the setup lends itself–you saw scores on Saturday and Sunday in the mid 60s in the morning and the mid 70s in the afternoon…I don’t think they really wanted that.”

“I think if you back to Shinnecock again, I think the wise thing would be to redo the greens…not change them…but there’s nothing under those greens other than what nature had there….but with the way they do things today, that lends itself to not being able to be controlled. And they could redo those greens exactly as they are now and control the moisture level on those greens, then the setup that they had would work fine, and work fine in the morning and the afternoon.”

The four-time U.S. Open winner added that he didn’t expect the membership at Shinnecock to approve anything so rash, and that he was merely making a suggestion should the tournament return to the Southampton course that reworking the greens could make the course “fair in the morning and fair in the afternoon.”

As for exactly what method of green rebuilding Nicklaus is proposing (presumably some reworking of soil and drainage), we’re not sure. However, his suggestion remains an interesting one.

He also added

“The greens were great in the morning, they just got away in the afternoon. When you’ve got starting times from…7:30 to 3:30…a lot of things are going to happen.”

Nicklaus added that the USGA should strive to offer players the same course in the morning and the afternoon to give everyone a “fair chance to compete.”

The Golden Bear also touched quickly on Phil Mickelson’s rules violation.

“Phil came back…and said, ‘I just lost it,’ which is probably what he should have said to begin with.”

However, Nicklaus suggested Mickelson has earned the right to be cut some slack and said all golfers can relate to his frustration.

Nicklaus also discussed his charity work on the pod, and Michael Williams has another great guest in the episode: golf fitness and flexibility expert, Roger Fredericks, who’s well worth listening to.

Check it out below, and let us know what you think about the 18-time major champion’s remarks.

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  1. ogo

    Jul 8, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    Jack: “Bulldoze the greens and flatten all of them!”

  2. ogo

    Jul 8, 2018 at 12:04 am

    I love watching multimillionaire golfers suffering on the putting greens in the afternoon and dragging them down to the rest of the field. Btw… that “socialism” too … 😀

    • bebop a lula

      Jul 8, 2018 at 5:51 am

      No it would be republicanism 101 where you benefit from the luck of the draw rather than having to earn it!

  3. Richard Douglas

    Jul 7, 2018 at 8:31 am

    Make the golf course tough. Fine. But the course must meet two criteria to be fair:

    First, it cannot be random. Good shots should get good results, and bad shots should be punished. They only got this half-right. Bad shots were punished, and so were a lot of good shots. You didn’t know what would happen even if you put the ball right where you intended.

    Second, it must be proportional. A little mistake should result in a little trouble and a big mistake should result in a big penalty. Unfortunately, even small mistakes created big trouble, so what was the point? If everything but perfection creates horrible results, why bother?

    The USGA should contract out the Open. They’re a bunch of amateurs running the most important tournament in golf. It’s not a good look.

  4. Robert

    Jul 6, 2018 at 6:57 pm

    So if it rains in the morning but the sky is sunny in the afternoon, the guys in the morning are SOL – unless of course the USGA can make it rain in the afternoon to even things out.

    Or, they can delay the afternoon round until the next time it rains.

  5. 2putttom

    Jul 6, 2018 at 10:22 am

    “The greens were great in the morning, they just got away in the afternoon. When you’ve got starting times from…7:30 to 3:30…a lot of things are going to happen.” …. BRILLIANT !

  6. Prime21

    Jul 5, 2018 at 11:46 pm

    Although I hate to admit it, The Golden Bear is right. The only way to be in complete control of a golf course any longer is to have total control of the turf. Nobody cares if the fairways burn out, but if the greens do, the consequence is note worthy. In this day and age, with sub air units that offer complete control of the agronomy above, it is essential to have inorder to truly host a Major Championship. You don’t think Augusta has had it for decades now? Whoever whines at Augusta? Winged Foot put them in over the last four years and Augusta is about the only place with green complexes that have more undulation. The time has come for technology to catch up with nostalgia and for any true US Open venue to come to term with the times! Now, whether or not the USGA should be allowed to oversee the US Open, that’s a whole nother discussion!

  7. Commoner

    Jul 5, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    Why do these retired old _____’s think they have so much earth shaking, civilization changing wisdom the rest of us lowly mortals are just falling over each other to hear? There are several heroes of yesteryear that simply need to learn the meanings of modesty, moderation, and temperance. There is no need to opine on everything in the hope of setting the world right before you leave it.

  8. Jamie

    Jul 5, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    St. Andrews called. The phone was silent.

  9. truth

    Jul 5, 2018 at 6:57 pm

    Who cares??

  10. Bob

    Jul 5, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    JACK .. YOUR TIME HAS PAST…YOUR COMMENTS ARE STUPID AND OUT OF TOUCH.

  11. kevin

    Jul 5, 2018 at 3:06 pm

    is the only response to setup now for usga major courses to spend millions upon millions of dollars installing sub air systems, new drainage, and basically a computer system to be able to control a course. weird coming from a guy who wants to dial back the ball because its getting too costly moving tees back.

    why not simply dial back the mowing a hair and let these greens stimp at 11 instead of 14 and let the scores, tournament, and eventual winner take care of itself.

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Some awesome shots of World Woods GC in Florida courtesy of Zoe.

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Although World Woods is a bit of a drive from Tampa, it is well worth the trek north for a great round of golf! The whole area had a crazy amount of rain the past couple of weeks, but besides a few flooded bunkers you wouldn’t have known (at least the Pine Barrens course)- evidence of great course drainage. The whole round I had to remind myself I was in Florida and not North Carolina. The course is tight, tree lined, and so many waste bunkers that each golf cart comes with its own sand rake. Don’t be deterred by the description though. There are plenty of “redemption” holes which help to keep scores low. I only had time to play the Pine Barrens course, but look forward to coming back to the area to try the Rolling Oaks course. The great rack rate and the proximity of other great golf courses makes this a great location for a future FL golf trip (who’s in?!? ????).

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Stunning design from Bettinardi.

Atlanta-themed ballmarkers from Swag.

How do you like the neck on this flat-stick from Olson, WRXers?

Beautiful face work on this lefty putter from Tyson Lamb.

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The 6 best #GolfWRX photos on Instagram today (8.21.19)

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In this segment, we’ll be taking a look at some of the best #GolfWRX tagged photos on Instagram. In case you aren’t already, there’s a whole load of action going on at our page, so follow us: @golfwrx

Let’s get to it then, here are six of the best #GolfWRX photos from the past 24 hours.

New additions on the way from UST Mamiya Golf Shafts.

How do you like this creation from Cushman Custom Golf, WRXers?

Cheetah Fur covers from Swag.

Slick looking new additions from Haywood Golf.

Great shot of the par-3 seventh hole at Stonewall Golf Club from Will.

Max Homa giving Eddie Pepperell a run for his money with his social media witticisms!

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The 6 best #GolfWRX photos on Instagram today (8.20.19)

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In this segment, we’ll be taking a look at some of the best #GolfWRX tagged photos on Instagram. In case you aren’t already, there’s a whole load of action going on at our page, so follow us: @golfwrx

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Torched blue Coronado Two flat-stick from Embrace Putters.

Stunning looking restoration job on this Allendale flat-stick from Tyson Lamb.

Great shots of Manufacturers Golf & Country Club in Pennsylvania courtesy of Andy Kerestesy.

Sweet looking Avengers flat-stick from Olson Putter Co.

Skull putter neck from Kraken Golf, what do you say WRXers?

American Flatsticks showcasing their new putter covers which will be dropping this Wednesday.

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