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GolfWRX members weigh in on Brandel Chamblee’s latest hot take



Ever the takesmith, Brandel Chamblee continues to beat his “weight lifting is worthless for golfers and likely destructive” drum, and now he’s playing a new song (albeit from the same album).

GolfWRX member Holy Moses watched the Golf Channel analyst on “Live from The Players” the other night, and he offered this summary of Chamblee’s remarks.

“Brandel said the average swing speed on Tour has declined a tenth of a MPH the last ten years. Also said Tiger’s and DJ’s swing speeds have not gone up over the last 10-15 years. So what is all of this weight training doing besides not prolonging careers if not adding MPH to swings? Some say weight training can prevent injuries, but is there any data to support that?”

Regardless of your opinion of Chamblee’s opinions, as it were, he usually has his stats right, so we’ll assume he’s correct in his claims about swing speeds.

Holy Moses also says that while weight training may not increase swing speed for elite golfers, he assumes it does for the average player.

As you’d expect, GolfWRX members had plenty to say on the subject.

Bladehunter agrees with Chamblee

“It’s pretty ridiculous to think it [lifting] does to most.. Davis Love, Phil, Tiger when he was young , all were really fast minus any bulk …. Chamblee is spot on as usual…Rory was soft and fast once too wasn’t he?”

Noodle3872 says

“I think weight training is part of most guys fitness program. Maybe not throwing heavy weights but enough to gain strength, stability and stamina. Stretching and yoga is likely used too. Strong yet soft and flexible. It’s a longevity program in my mind.”

Straightshot7 says

“Adding muscle doesn’t always directly correlate to faster swing speed/more distance. However, unless you’re bulking up excessively, it certainly doesn’t hurt. Weight lifting has dozens of health benefits. It can increase body awareness and the right fitness regimen can obviously improve balance and flexibility. Weight lifting/exercise can increase stamina.

“If you aren’t getting fatigued physically, that also helps mentally. If you feel more fit and strong that can also help your confidence. Brooks Koepka talked about feeling more explosive from weight lifting. Even if it’s only mental/placebo effect, that’s still helping. Having strong legs is certainly helpful in performing a good golf swing and hitting the ball far. The bottom line is lifting weights/exercising properly won’t necessarily add speed to your swing but it has a host of benefits regardless.”

MadGolfer76 says

“I’ve always kind of wondered about this. There seems to be those guys out there who seem inclined towards strength almost naturally, who can put a hurt on the ball without the need for a program. There are others who need a regimen to make it happen. I don’t really think lifting has much to do with swing speed, but rather helps provide a more solid lower body base, and maybe assists with endurance.”

MountainGoat1000 offers

“There are swings that are based on leverage and strength, and there are swings that are based on fluidity and rhythm. The golf swing of old was based on fluidity and rhythm and doesn’t benefit much from weight training. The modern swing, however, is based on leverage and strength, and it does benefit from weight training. The swing of old was a ‘symphony of 1000 parts’ which was very tempo sensitive had had to be executed at the appropriate speed with just the right amount of power. Too much effort was counter-productive. When it worked, it was great; when it didn’t, it didn’t. The modern swing is more tempo-resistant, holds up better under pressure, and can take as much raw power as you can give it.”

Jah7838 says

“I get annoyed when Brandel complains about golfers lifting weights. Like others have said, lifting weights has plenty of benefits for everyday life. I work out as much as possible, and over the years of getting in shape, the main benefit is how I feel in my everyday life. My lower back pain is nowhere near as bad as it used to be, and when my back does hurt, it’s not from golf. It’s from my muscles being tight, and not rolling out on my foam roller like I should.”

What do you think about Chamblee’s remarks and these takes, GolfWRX members?

Check out the thread to read everything the community is saying.


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  1. Dave r

    May 14, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    Brandel go away . You are an idiot. Take your hair and comb and get lost can’t believe you still have a job ,who did you catch doing what?

  2. Jon S

    May 14, 2018 at 12:06 pm

    It’s like saying you can simply lift weights and get someone to throw a baseball 100mph. You were either born with the right physique / muscle fibers to do that, or you weren’t. There’s nothing wrong with working out, but lifting heavy weights seems counterproductive to what you’re trying to accomplish in a golf career.

  3. GD Alumni

    May 14, 2018 at 9:55 am

    Occasionally Chamblee says something with minimal value.This is not one of those times. He’s just his everyday, garden variety moron self as usual.

    Any sportswriter who makes him or herself the prime feature of their work ends up wit some renown and a fat paycheck for a while. Eventually their ego takes over and they speak in decrees and develop a disregard for facts and other points of views when doing commentary.Arrogance becomes their hallmark. When challenged they lash out using any means to invalidate those disagreeing with them.He isn’t any better of a sports TV personality than he was a pro golfer – mediocre at best and downright bad most of the time.

    I wish people (myself included) would stop clicking and/or watching. Media, sports or otherwise is an entertainment industry and it’s about the money. If we would do that Chamblee would get fired and go away.

  4. Frank Xavier

    May 12, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    Regardless of weight training or not, there is a level of fitness and flexibility below which the average elite golfer will start going backwards gamewise. We haven’t got to the biometric physical fitness-analytics point yet where these facts can be scientifically known. My bet is that it won’t be long before the video analytics geeks will be readily able to take this discussion by the neck and make some science out of it. Without standard baseline fitness and bodily dynamics criteria, (links various physical attributes to golf performance), this discussion is not really about moving towards understanding, it is all about stirring the pot and watching the steam rise. It will be fascinating to discover just what the ideal mix of exercise types and practice ultimately produces the most consistent and effective golf swing, and bottom line performance.

  5. ray

    May 11, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    I find it hard to believe the average SS hasn’t gone up over the last 10 yrs, especially given all the overspeed training these days and the bigger more athletic body type of the average pro that Brandel and the other commentators love to go on and on about.

  6. Progolfer

    May 11, 2018 at 12:42 pm

    Brandel is absolutely right on this one! Weights lead to dysfunctional bodies, tightness, and injury. We’re better off doing natural, body-weight exercises that emphasize posture, balance, symmetry, and function.

    • rob

      May 11, 2018 at 1:06 pm

      Are you saying that obese and decrepit golfers (80% of all golfers) can improve by “doing natural body-weight exercises” when the body (and mind) are totally incompetent? 😮

  7. William Biddle

    May 11, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    Chamblee is accomplishing less as a sportscaster than he did as a golfer. Why does the golf channel keep this guy around.

    • alan

      May 12, 2018 at 12:01 am

      hes the Juan Williams of the golf channel.

  8. Dave Seif

    May 11, 2018 at 11:19 am

    Everything Brandel says is material stolen/plagiarized from Kelvin Miyahira. And that includes his book. It’s a shame that no one of note has called him out on this.

    • rob

      May 11, 2018 at 1:03 pm

      Kevin believes that the Sartorious and Lateral Oblique muscles are the foundation of the golfswing. It’s all in the muscles… 😛

  9. SK

    May 10, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    The body, from feet to shoulders, can benefit from weight training because most of the kinetic energy is created and transmitted in and from the body to the arms. The arms only need toning to secure the joints and hands. Over pumping up your arms is useless and will add resistive MOI.
    Weak legs will kill the kinetic chain and a decrepit torso will not be able to transmit kinetic energy for shoulder torque and arm dynamics.

    • rob

      May 11, 2018 at 1:09 pm

      Sounds good but weight training is usually done in one body plane. The golf swing is mostly a rotatory movement so how does single plane weight training help rotation?!!

    • george

      May 12, 2018 at 7:35 pm

      Agree SK. It is the imbalance created between upper and lower body that “kills kinetic chain”, as you say and that imbalance leads to injuries.

      No coincidence that back issues have followed, the players who have bulked up.
      Its newtons third law. There has to be an equal and opposite resisting force.
      That imbalance plays out in lower spine, the only direct connection between upper and lower body.

  10. Too

    May 10, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    I wanna look good naked too

  11. Wiger Toods

    May 10, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    Gary Player was clearly a buffoon ?

    Brandel makes a reasonable point that at some level, it’s overkill. His general hot-takedness on this is to get you talking about Brandel. Nothing new there. His job, literally, is to get his name tossed around. Whatever end of the question you end on with this, you’re feeding the beast.

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Ricky Barnes DQd at the Byron Nelson



Ricky Barnes took a trip to Dairy Queen at the AT&T Byron Nelson. Barnes was disqualified following his second round 1-over 72. He signed for a three at the par-4 sixth hole, when in fact he had made a par.

Ultimately, he won’t rue his impromptu trip to get a Blizzard: Barnes was 3 over and was in no danger of making the cut.

Because this is the world we live in, Barnes apparently found out about the DQ via LuckyTrout Golf Pool on Twitter.

Of course, no scorecard error will ever top “What a stupid I am,” Roberto De Vicenzo signing for 66 when he shot 65, handing the green jacket to Bob Goalby at the 1968 Masters. Such an unfortunate legacy for a man who won hundreds of tournaments around the world.

Also unfortunate: Ricky Barnes is on the way for being remembered as a man who never lived up to the promise he showed at that same tournament, The Masters, as an amateur.

Let’s hope that changes.

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WATCH/LOOK AWAY: Jordan Spieth misses a 15-inch putt



Aren’t you glad there isn’t video of all the 15-inch putts you’ve missed? I certainly am.

Unfortunately for Jordan Spieth, his failed attempt from little more than a foot at the Byron Nelson was captured on video, and it will exist on the internet for all eternity.

Spieth, who has struggled with the flatstick lately, stood over a short par putt at the par-4 15th hole, and well…

Spieth is currently 183rd on the PGA Tour this season in strokes gained: putting, losing .412 strokes per round to the field on the greens.

But at least he hit the hole, right?

Here’s the offending weapon: Spieth’s trusty Scotty Cameron 009.

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GolfWRX members debate: What should the World Golf Hall of Fame criteria be?



There have been a couple of controversial inclusions on the World Golf Hall of Fame. This isn’t to rehash, say, Fred Couples earning a spot, but rather, take a look at entry criteria.

More specifically, GolfWRX member playar32 writes

“I know the actual criteria is 15 tour wins, or 2 majors/Players championship. But what’s YOUR minimum?…For example, if a player won a “B” tournament every year (the one opposite a WGC event), every year in a row for 15 years, but missed the cut in every other event, would you still considered them HOF?”

It’s an interesting point. Specifically, the World Golf Hall of Fame criteria for an active male golfer is as follows.

“A player must have a cumulative total of 15 or more official victories on any of the original members of the International Federation of PGA Tours (PGA TOUR, European Tour, Japan Golf Tour, Sunshine Tour, Asian Tour and PGA of Australasia) OR at least two victories among the following events: The Masters, THE PLAYERS Championship, the U.S. Open, The Open Championship and the PGA Championship.”

Further, a player must be at least 50 or five years removed from competition.

Here are some other WRX members’ takes.

Bladehunter says

“15 tour wins and 2 majors for me. Otherwise almost every 1 major winner out there is in.”

McCann1 says

“If we won’t remember your name without the HOF in 50 years I think you shouldn’t be in.”

Fowlerscousin says

“If any of these three criteria are met: 3 or more majors. Minimum 5 Ryder cup appearances. 15 tour victories.”

Hawkeye77 says

“Whatever the criteria are, don’t ever think about it unless someone whose speech I want to hear gets in.’

Golfer929 has more stringent standards

“20 Wins. 3 Majors. 2 Ryder Cup/President Cup appearances. 100 total weeks inside Top 50 OWGR.”

Golfgirlrobin says

“I’d like to see them go to some sort of point system like the LPGA uses. Factor in everything that’s important and let the chips fall where they may.”

You’ll want to check out the rest of what GolfWRX members have to say in the thread.

There are a ton off questions to consider when thinking about which current/recent players should make the HoF.

A few…

1. Should the standards be on par with other sports? If so, what does that look like?
2. If the WGHOF should be more/less stringent, why?
3. How important are major victories? Why two and not three?
4. Why 15 wins and not 10? Or 20?

All important questions, and ones which the golf fans of the world should be able to weigh in on, rather than merely a selection committee of 16 people.

Let us know what you think, GolfWRX members!

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