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GolfWRX members weigh in on Brandel Chamblee’s latest hot take

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Ever the takesmith, Brandel Chamblee continues to beat his “weight lifting is worthless for golfers and likely destructive” drum, and now he’s playing a new song (albeit from the same album).

GolfWRX member Holy Moses watched the Golf Channel analyst on “Live from The Players” the other night, and he offered this summary of Chamblee’s remarks.

“Brandel said the average swing speed on Tour has declined a tenth of a MPH the last ten years. Also said Tiger’s and DJ’s swing speeds have not gone up over the last 10-15 years. So what is all of this weight training doing besides not prolonging careers if not adding MPH to swings? Some say weight training can prevent injuries, but is there any data to support that?”

Regardless of your opinion of Chamblee’s opinions, as it were, he usually has his stats right, so we’ll assume he’s correct in his claims about swing speeds.

Holy Moses also says that while weight training may not increase swing speed for elite golfers, he assumes it does for the average player.

As you’d expect, GolfWRX members had plenty to say on the subject.

Bladehunter agrees with Chamblee

“It’s pretty ridiculous to think it [lifting] does to most.. Davis Love, Phil, Tiger when he was young , all were really fast minus any bulk …. Chamblee is spot on as usual…Rory was soft and fast once too wasn’t he?”

Noodle3872 says

“I think weight training is part of most guys fitness program. Maybe not throwing heavy weights but enough to gain strength, stability and stamina. Stretching and yoga is likely used too. Strong yet soft and flexible. It’s a longevity program in my mind.”

Straightshot7 says

“Adding muscle doesn’t always directly correlate to faster swing speed/more distance. However, unless you’re bulking up excessively, it certainly doesn’t hurt. Weight lifting has dozens of health benefits. It can increase body awareness and the right fitness regimen can obviously improve balance and flexibility. Weight lifting/exercise can increase stamina.

“If you aren’t getting fatigued physically, that also helps mentally. If you feel more fit and strong that can also help your confidence. Brooks Koepka talked about feeling more explosive from weight lifting. Even if it’s only mental/placebo effect, that’s still helping. Having strong legs is certainly helpful in performing a good golf swing and hitting the ball far. The bottom line is lifting weights/exercising properly won’t necessarily add speed to your swing but it has a host of benefits regardless.”

MadGolfer76 says

“I’ve always kind of wondered about this. There seems to be those guys out there who seem inclined towards strength almost naturally, who can put a hurt on the ball without the need for a program. There are others who need a regimen to make it happen. I don’t really think lifting has much to do with swing speed, but rather helps provide a more solid lower body base, and maybe assists with endurance.”

MountainGoat1000 offers

“There are swings that are based on leverage and strength, and there are swings that are based on fluidity and rhythm. The golf swing of old was based on fluidity and rhythm and doesn’t benefit much from weight training. The modern swing, however, is based on leverage and strength, and it does benefit from weight training. The swing of old was a ‘symphony of 1000 parts’ which was very tempo sensitive had had to be executed at the appropriate speed with just the right amount of power. Too much effort was counter-productive. When it worked, it was great; when it didn’t, it didn’t. The modern swing is more tempo-resistant, holds up better under pressure, and can take as much raw power as you can give it.”

Jah7838 says

“I get annoyed when Brandel complains about golfers lifting weights. Like others have said, lifting weights has plenty of benefits for everyday life. I work out as much as possible, and over the years of getting in shape, the main benefit is how I feel in my everyday life. My lower back pain is nowhere near as bad as it used to be, and when my back does hurt, it’s not from golf. It’s from my muscles being tight, and not rolling out on my foam roller like I should.”

What do you think about Chamblee’s remarks and these takes, GolfWRX members?

Check out the thread to read everything the community is saying.

 

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  1. Dave r

    May 14, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    Brandel go away . You are an idiot. Take your hair and comb and get lost can’t believe you still have a job ,who did you catch doing what?

  2. Jon S

    May 14, 2018 at 12:06 pm

    It’s like saying you can simply lift weights and get someone to throw a baseball 100mph. You were either born with the right physique / muscle fibers to do that, or you weren’t. There’s nothing wrong with working out, but lifting heavy weights seems counterproductive to what you’re trying to accomplish in a golf career.

  3. GD Alumni

    May 14, 2018 at 9:55 am

    Occasionally Chamblee says something with minimal value.This is not one of those times. He’s just his everyday, garden variety moron self as usual.

    Any sportswriter who makes him or herself the prime feature of their work ends up wit some renown and a fat paycheck for a while. Eventually their ego takes over and they speak in decrees and develop a disregard for facts and other points of views when doing commentary.Arrogance becomes their hallmark. When challenged they lash out using any means to invalidate those disagreeing with them.He isn’t any better of a sports TV personality than he was a pro golfer – mediocre at best and downright bad most of the time.

    I wish people (myself included) would stop clicking and/or watching. Media, sports or otherwise is an entertainment industry and it’s about the money. If we would do that Chamblee would get fired and go away.

  4. Frank Xavier

    May 12, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    Regardless of weight training or not, there is a level of fitness and flexibility below which the average elite golfer will start going backwards gamewise. We haven’t got to the biometric physical fitness-analytics point yet where these facts can be scientifically known. My bet is that it won’t be long before the video analytics geeks will be readily able to take this discussion by the neck and make some science out of it. Without standard baseline fitness and bodily dynamics criteria, (links various physical attributes to golf performance), this discussion is not really about moving towards understanding, it is all about stirring the pot and watching the steam rise. It will be fascinating to discover just what the ideal mix of exercise types and practice ultimately produces the most consistent and effective golf swing, and bottom line performance.

  5. ray

    May 11, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    I find it hard to believe the average SS hasn’t gone up over the last 10 yrs, especially given all the overspeed training these days and the bigger more athletic body type of the average pro that Brandel and the other commentators love to go on and on about.

  6. Progolfer

    May 11, 2018 at 12:42 pm

    Brandel is absolutely right on this one! Weights lead to dysfunctional bodies, tightness, and injury. We’re better off doing natural, body-weight exercises that emphasize posture, balance, symmetry, and function.

    • rob

      May 11, 2018 at 1:06 pm

      Are you saying that obese and decrepit golfers (80% of all golfers) can improve by “doing natural body-weight exercises” when the body (and mind) are totally incompetent? 😮

  7. William Biddle

    May 11, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    Chamblee is accomplishing less as a sportscaster than he did as a golfer. Why does the golf channel keep this guy around.

    • alan

      May 12, 2018 at 12:01 am

      hes the Juan Williams of the golf channel.

  8. Dave Seif

    May 11, 2018 at 11:19 am

    Everything Brandel says is material stolen/plagiarized from Kelvin Miyahira. And that includes his book. It’s a shame that no one of note has called him out on this.

    • rob

      May 11, 2018 at 1:03 pm

      Kevin believes that the Sartorious and Lateral Oblique muscles are the foundation of the golfswing. It’s all in the muscles… 😛

  9. SK

    May 10, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    The body, from feet to shoulders, can benefit from weight training because most of the kinetic energy is created and transmitted in and from the body to the arms. The arms only need toning to secure the joints and hands. Over pumping up your arms is useless and will add resistive MOI.
    Weak legs will kill the kinetic chain and a decrepit torso will not be able to transmit kinetic energy for shoulder torque and arm dynamics.

    • rob

      May 11, 2018 at 1:09 pm

      Sounds good but weight training is usually done in one body plane. The golf swing is mostly a rotatory movement so how does single plane weight training help rotation?!!

    • george

      May 12, 2018 at 7:35 pm

      Agree SK. It is the imbalance created between upper and lower body that “kills kinetic chain”, as you say and that imbalance leads to injuries.

      No coincidence that back issues have followed, the players who have bulked up.
      Its newtons third law. There has to be an equal and opposite resisting force.
      That imbalance plays out in lower spine, the only direct connection between upper and lower body.

  10. Too

    May 10, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    I wanna look good naked too

  11. Wiger Toods

    May 10, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    Gary Player was clearly a buffoon ?

    Brandel makes a reasonable point that at some level, it’s overkill. His general hot-takedness on this is to get you talking about Brandel. Nothing new there. His job, literally, is to get his name tossed around. Whatever end of the question you end on with this, you’re feeding the beast.

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Adam “Pacman” Jones talks handicap, lowest score, shows off new clubs

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The trick-shot artist, golfing dynamo, and general internet phenomenon that is Matty sat down for a quick nine questions with veteran NFL cornerback Adam “Pacman” Jones, who plays to a 14 handicap.

Check out their conversation below.

Matty also took a peek at the fresh set of clubs in Jones’ bag. It looks like Matty, who is affiliated with Bridgestone Golf, has made sure the veteran cornerback has the company’s latest wares, including custom Tour B X-CB irons and custom KBS Tour shafts.

Hopefully, Matty will follow up with an Adam Jones WOTW (What’s on the Wrist). Holy Rolly, Pacman!

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Tweets of the Week: Best golf posts from Twitter over the last week

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Louis Oosthuizen cried tears of joy after winning the South African Open, while Patton Kizzire and Brian Harman triumphed at the QBE shootout. But those weren’t the only talking points over the last week in the golfing world. Here’s a look at some things you may have missed, and some of the quirkier moments from the world of golf dished out in the Twittersphere.

Uncanny Bubba Impression

He’s nailed impressions of Dustin Johnson and Keegan Bradley in the past, and now Jack Bartlett turned his talents to the mercurial Bubba Watson. The result is both hysterical and scarily impressive.

“Mud Ball!!”

Because the original “mud ball” moment is just as hilarious.

The Turf Chopper

A look into the future of golf on the fairways?

DeChambeau’s New Bag

Bryson showed off his slick new golf bag while in action last week. What do we think GolfWRXers?

Please Replace Divots

A squirrel at the QBE Shootout this week showing more etiquette on the course than some golfers do.

Open Championship Mania

An 11-year old’s mother showed just how much her boy enjoyed his experience at this year’s Open Championship…

…leading to The R&A and Open Championship combining to provide the kid with an experience that he will never forget.

 

 

 

 

 

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Exploring Ireland: Where to golf, drink and stay on the Emerald Isle. Pt. 2. Old Tom Morris Links, Donegal

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In these series of articles, I will be taking you around the Emerald Isle providing you with great golf courses to visit in some of the loveliest spots in Ireland. I’ll also be highlighting the best and most authentic Irish bars in these spots, as well as places to stay, eat and how to get there. Whether you’re taking a golfing holiday to Ireland in 2019 or are interested in doing so sometime in the future, I’ll make sure to let you in on the best places to spend your time.

In Part One of our Exploring Ireland series, we focused on County Wicklow and showcased Woodbrook Golf Club. Now it’s time for Part Two, and we’re taking a trip to the far northwest corner of the island, and into County Donegal.

While it may not be the most accessible destination, Donegal is an absolute must for anyone traveling to Ireland. Voted number one on The National Geographic Traveler’s ‘cool list’ for 2017, Donegal is like no place you’ve ever seen. Full of breathtaking beaches, incredible walking trails, cosy pubs and of course, excellent golf courses, you’re guaranteed to have a great time here.

Old Tom Morris Links, Donegal

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My pick for the top golf course to visit in the county is the Old Tom Morris Links, situated within the Rosapenna Hotel and Golf Resort.

In 1891, while a guest of Lord Leitrim, Old Tom Morris of St. Andrews decided to visit Donegal, and in typical Tom Morris fashion, he believed that it was the ideal location to build a championship course. What Morris created was a course with wide rolling fairways and magnificent greens that have stood the test of time.

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The course was renovated twice before a new Strand Nine opened in 2009 which now plays as the front nine of the Old Tom Morris Links. The addition gives the course a wonderful mix of a traditional and modern links feel.

The challenging course plays over 6,900 yards from the back tees, and only offers up the relief of three par-fives. The challenge can also become even more daunting should the wind blow, and being situated along “The Wild Atlantic Way,” you should expect nothing less.

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While you will no doubt enjoy the stern test and the natural feel of the golf course, visitors will have even more to look forward to should they take the trip here. The course runs along Tramore beach overlooking Sheephaven Bay and offers up sensational views no matter what hole you are on during your round.

The rates to play 18 holes at the Old Tom Morris Links begin at $40 in winter, and $60 during the summer months.

Food & Drink – The Olde Glen Bar, Carrigart

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A 10-minute drive from the course will take you to The Olde Glen Bar a few minutes from Carrigart, which Ulster’s very own Hollywood star and golf fan Jamie Dornan (The Fall, 50 Shades of Grey) called the “best bar in the world.”

The bar first opened in 1768, making it one of the oldest bars in Donegal. The Olde Glen Bar has kept its very traditional feel, and when you get there, you will feel like you’ve been transported back in time. Wooden floors, big open-lit fires, low ceilings and door frames add to the charm of this little bar where there is always something going on.

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There is live traditional music playing in the bar every weekend, and along with the music, The Olde Glen Bar boasts an excellent craft beer, whiskey and gin selection. The bar prides itself on its Kinnegar beer, brewed just up the road, and it’s well worth a try if Guinness isn’t your thing.

The bar also features a highly acclaimed restaurant, offering up dishes such as seatrout, venison, supreme of chicken and plenty of other delights.

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Where To Stay

The obvious choice is the Rosapenna Hotel and Golf Resort itself. This luxury establishment will cater to all your needs and is the ideal place to stay when in the area if you have the money to splash out. A classic double room will set you back around $200 a night, or you can go for the stay and play option which provides you with two nights bed, and breakfast along with a round of golf at both the Old Tom Morris and the Sandy Hills Links for around $300 per person.

If you’re looking for somewhere less expensive or more traditional, then there are plenty of cottages in the area that will add even more character to your adventure. Here’s what you can expect should you wish to stay in an Irish cottage in the area, and it will give you a feel for true Irish life out on the Atlantic Ocean.

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Donegal has lots to offer should you manage to pull yourself away from the course or the bar. Fishing, walking trails, surfing and scuba diving are all favorite activities to do while visiting Donegal. One must visit, however, is Glenveagh National Park, which is a nature reserve with beautiful scenery of mountains, lakes and woodlands. The highlight of the park though has to be Glenveagh Castle, built in 1870.

How To Get There

The lack of quality public transport in the area makes it a little trickier than other spots to get to, but if you’re driving, then there’s no issue at all. The Old Tom Morris Links is a 3 hrs 30mins drive from Dublin City Centre, 4hrs 10mins from Galway City Centre, and 1hr 15mins from Derry City Centre. If you happen to be flying into Donegal Airport, then it will take you around an hour to get to the area.

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