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Tiger Woods is 2nd in swing speed, 24th in driving distance. GolfWRX members discuss



GolfWRX member cavemeister took a look at Tiger Woods’ stats, and something didn’t add up for him.

Here’s what he saw.

  • Tiger Woods is 24th on the PGA Tour in average driving distance at 306.6 yards.
  • Tiger Woods is 2nd on the PGA Tour in average clubhead speed at 122.04 mph

Now, only drives that find the fairway are measured, and swing speed is only recorded a couple of times per round, but what gives, cavemeister wonders in a forum thread.

Not surprisingly, WRX members had a range of opinions for the disparity between TW’s swing speed and driving distance.

Flog2 points out

“distance is only measured when you are on the fairway!”

Woods is doing the above at just over 51 percent this season, so the sample may be small.

Torrujean suggests Woods may not be finding the center of the clubface on some of the measured drives.

“Quality of strike does not match the speed.”


“You have to understand also, that distance is only measured for official stats on a few holes on Tour. So if he happens to hit 3 wood on one of those holes, the avg distance comes down in the calculation of his 3 or 4 holes that day.”

And of course, there conspiracy theorists, such as QuigleyDU

“the numbers are not accurate.”

Shot-savior may have the best take

“So many variables:

1. Quality of strike
2. Launch/Spin
3. Type of shot played; high/low, fade/draw
4. Run out versus carry
5. Favorable bounce; catching the slope
6. Landing in fairway first versus hitting in rough then kicking into fairway
7. Riding the wind or knocking it under the wind
8. And so on…

High SS is the best indicator of potential distance. But, it’s conditional and there’s some luck involved to. That’s why we periodically see lower SS players out drive the highest SS players on tour. There are always random outliers not consistent with normal findings.”

See the thread for more replies.

What do you think, GolfWRX members? Is this interesting, or meh? There are clearly a number of possible explanations…which do you find the most plausible?

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  1. Paul

    May 12, 2018 at 11:10 am

    He is also right up there in hitting it in the KaKa.

  2. Mike C

    May 10, 2018 at 9:07 pm

    Clearly it’s because he hits down on the driver while some other players hit 1-3 degrees up. 1 or 2 degrees down vs 3 up can mean 15 yards of carry at 120 mph. It’s why Spieth is ranked better for distance than he is for swing speed. No real mystery.

  3. James L

    May 9, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    His launch angle is not positive; thus, the distance is less. He is notorious for taking divots with his 3-wood off the tee.

    • James L

      May 9, 2018 at 9:30 pm

      Oops. Meant to say his ‘attack’ angle is not positive (i.e. not over +2 degrees)

  4. Brett Weir

    May 9, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    Has Tiger been hitting it on the hosel lately?!?!

  5. Walter Gruchala

    May 9, 2018 at 8:44 pm

    Smash Factor!

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Ricky Barnes DQd at the Byron Nelson



Ricky Barnes took a trip to Dairy Queen at the AT&T Byron Nelson. Barnes was disqualified following his second round 1-over 72. He signed for a three at the par-4 sixth hole, when in fact he had made a par.

Ultimately, he won’t rue his impromptu trip to get a Blizzard: Barnes was 3 over and was in no danger of making the cut.

Because this is the world we live in, Barnes apparently found out about the DQ via LuckyTrout Golf Pool on Twitter.

Of course, no scorecard error will ever top “What a stupid I am,” Roberto De Vicenzo signing for 66 when he shot 65, handing the green jacket to Bob Goalby at the 1968 Masters. Such an unfortunate legacy for a man who won hundreds of tournaments around the world.

Also unfortunate: Ricky Barnes is on the way for being remembered as a man who never lived up to the promise he showed at that same tournament, The Masters, as an amateur.

Let’s hope that changes.

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WATCH/LOOK AWAY: Jordan Spieth misses a 15-inch putt



Aren’t you glad there isn’t video of all the 15-inch putts you’ve missed? I certainly am.

Unfortunately for Jordan Spieth, his failed attempt from little more than a foot at the Byron Nelson was captured on video, and it will exist on the internet for all eternity.

Spieth, who has struggled with the flatstick lately, stood over a short par putt at the par-4 15th hole, and well…

Spieth is currently 183rd on the PGA Tour this season in strokes gained: putting, losing .412 strokes per round to the field on the greens.

But at least he hit the hole, right?

Here’s the offending weapon: Spieth’s trusty Scotty Cameron 009.

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GolfWRX members debate: What should the World Golf Hall of Fame criteria be?



There have been a couple of controversial inclusions on the World Golf Hall of Fame. This isn’t to rehash, say, Fred Couples earning a spot, but rather, take a look at entry criteria.

More specifically, GolfWRX member playar32 writes

“I know the actual criteria is 15 tour wins, or 2 majors/Players championship. But what’s YOUR minimum?…For example, if a player won a “B” tournament every year (the one opposite a WGC event), every year in a row for 15 years, but missed the cut in every other event, would you still considered them HOF?”

It’s an interesting point. Specifically, the World Golf Hall of Fame criteria for an active male golfer is as follows.

“A player must have a cumulative total of 15 or more official victories on any of the original members of the International Federation of PGA Tours (PGA TOUR, European Tour, Japan Golf Tour, Sunshine Tour, Asian Tour and PGA of Australasia) OR at least two victories among the following events: The Masters, THE PLAYERS Championship, the U.S. Open, The Open Championship and the PGA Championship.”

Further, a player must be at least 50 or five years removed from competition.

Here are some other WRX members’ takes.

Bladehunter says

“15 tour wins and 2 majors for me. Otherwise almost every 1 major winner out there is in.”

McCann1 says

“If we won’t remember your name without the HOF in 50 years I think you shouldn’t be in.”

Fowlerscousin says

“If any of these three criteria are met: 3 or more majors. Minimum 5 Ryder cup appearances. 15 tour victories.”

Hawkeye77 says

“Whatever the criteria are, don’t ever think about it unless someone whose speech I want to hear gets in.’

Golfer929 has more stringent standards

“20 Wins. 3 Majors. 2 Ryder Cup/President Cup appearances. 100 total weeks inside Top 50 OWGR.”

Golfgirlrobin says

“I’d like to see them go to some sort of point system like the LPGA uses. Factor in everything that’s important and let the chips fall where they may.”

You’ll want to check out the rest of what GolfWRX members have to say in the thread.

There are a ton off questions to consider when thinking about which current/recent players should make the HoF.

A few…

1. Should the standards be on par with other sports? If so, what does that look like?
2. If the WGHOF should be more/less stringent, why?
3. How important are major victories? Why two and not three?
4. Why 15 wins and not 10? Or 20?

All important questions, and ones which the golf fans of the world should be able to weigh in on, rather than merely a selection committee of 16 people.

Let us know what you think, GolfWRX members!

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