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Tiger Woods’ North Carolina course is on hold…perhaps permanently

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Tiger Woods’ North Carolina course isn’t happening, at least not now. To put it another way, The Cliffs at High Carolina hasn’t quite fallen off a cliff, but it’s teetering on the edge. The project is on hold for the immediate future, per the Asheville Citizen-Times.

Announced back in 2007, The Cliffs was to feature a Tiger Woods-designed golf course and ~1,000 luxury homes. It was to be Woods first U.S. course–an honor which now belongs to Bluejack National.

The Cliffs Clubs Managing Partner David Sawyer says he fields the “what’s going on” query regularly.

“We get asked that question a lot by our members…We tell them (High Carolina) is sitting on the shelf right now and we’re focusing on our current communities and developments within our current communities.”

Sawyer also said of the project: “I’m sure it will find its way to the development track eventually.”

We shall see.

The 665-acre property is currently listed for sale by Carolina Mountain Properties LLC for $15.9 million, down from the $24 million it was listed for in 2016. The 2008 financial crisis and Woods’ infidelity scandal are commonly offered as explanations for why the project never got off the ground.

Woods is known to be involved with nine design projects. Bluejack National, El Cardonal, The Oasis Short Course have been built. Jack’s Bay, Trump World Golf Club Dubai, South Shore and Jackson Park (restoration), Pacific Links, The Oasis at Diamante, and Payne’s Valley are in the works.

What say you, GolfWRXers from the Tar Heel State? What’s the scuttlebutt? Do you think this course gets built?

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  1. Hedley Lamarr

    May 5, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    I went to The Cliffs at the end of 2009 and was amazed anything had been built there. At least 25 minutes out of Asheville on a poor road at that time. I thought why would you want to live here? The next day Tiger crashed his SUV trying to get away from Erin!

  2. ChipNRun

    May 4, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    My wife and I have a time share in Myrtle Beach, SC, which is about 300 miles away from Asheville. In 2017, MB had three upscale neighborhood development clubs which were in trouble. Part of the problem: seniors looking to downsize had trouble finding buyers for their mansions.

    In contrast, Myrtle Beach semi-private clubs surrounded by modest but nice 2,000 sq.ft. homes seem to be doing fine.

    Of note, Chinese investors have bought some 20 struggling Myrtle Beach zone courses in the past few years. Part of the problem can be capital structure of the golf clubs (see article link at end).

    Another problem nationwide is shafting tastes. Many people nowadays want somewhat smaller homes. If people went into a 3,500 sq. ft. house circa 1998, they may struggle to find buyers who will cash them out at their desired price point.

    Ben, see if you can get comments from an Asheville area real estate agent. It might be that luxury golf is overbuilt in Asheville area. Also, upscale country club developments anywhere can easily end up overleveraged. If developers don’t sell enough homes to establish the target private-equity membership level, things can fall apart quickly.

    So, it may be more of a real estate problem than a golf problem.

    Here is an article on the topic by Concert Golf Partners, via the National Gold Foundation:
    http://www.concertgolfpartners.com/articles/real-estate-value.html

  3. Johnston

    May 4, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    Glad to see some trouble in the up scale golf market…we here in California are loosing public courses to housing projects at a rate you will not have to worry about declining interest in golf because the few public courses left by 2025 will be so few they will be bale to water the courses and still make a profit…

    • ChipNRun

      May 4, 2018 at 8:08 pm

      Go east, young man!

      In Missouri, we have golf, water and decent-priced housing.

      • Elitist Liberal

        May 5, 2018 at 10:09 pm

        But you also have….. Missouri

        • ChipNRun

          May 6, 2018 at 11:52 pm

          What’s not to like? Tourists from Cal State – Irvine like to spend vacation time here protesting.

  4. lance

    May 4, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    Our beloved game of Golf will suffer irreparable if this Tiger designed golf course fails to be built. It will be a national catastrophe … a black blemish on our sport … a shameful failure that will diminish the game of Golf.

  5. 2putttom

    May 4, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    1000 luxury homes? thats old school. who’s gonna invest in multi million dollars homes in a sport that has declining #’s

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Adam “Pacman” Jones talks handicap, lowest score, shows off new clubs

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The trick-shot artist, golfing dynamo, and general internet phenomenon that is Matty sat down for a quick nine questions with veteran NFL cornerback Adam “Pacman” Jones, who plays to a 14 handicap.

Check out their conversation below.

Matty also took a peek at the fresh set of clubs in Jones’ bag. It looks like Matty, who is affiliated with Bridgestone Golf, has made sure the veteran cornerback has the company’s latest wares, including custom Tour B X-CB irons and custom KBS Tour shafts.

Hopefully, Matty will follow up with an Adam Jones WOTW (What’s on the Wrist). Holy Rolly, Pacman!

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Tweets of the Week: Best golf posts from Twitter over the last week

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Louis Oosthuizen cried tears of joy after winning the South African Open, while Patton Kizzire and Brian Harman triumphed at the QBE shootout. But those weren’t the only talking points over the last week in the golfing world. Here’s a look at some things you may have missed, and some of the quirkier moments from the world of golf dished out in the Twittersphere.

Uncanny Bubba Impression

He’s nailed impressions of Dustin Johnson and Keegan Bradley in the past, and now Jack Bartlett turned his talents to the mercurial Bubba Watson. The result is both hysterical and scarily impressive.

“Mud Ball!!”

Because the original “mud ball” moment is just as hilarious.

The Turf Chopper

A look into the future of golf on the fairways?

DeChambeau’s New Bag

Bryson showed off his slick new golf bag while in action last week. What do we think GolfWRXers?

Please Replace Divots

A squirrel at the QBE Shootout this week showing more etiquette on the course than some golfers do.

Open Championship Mania

An 11-year old’s mother showed just how much her boy enjoyed his experience at this year’s Open Championship…

…leading to The R&A and Open Championship combining to provide the kid with an experience that he will never forget.

 

 

 

 

 

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Exploring Ireland: Where to golf, drink and stay on the Emerald Isle. Pt. 2. Old Tom Morris Links, Donegal

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In these series of articles, I will be taking you around the Emerald Isle providing you with great golf courses to visit in some of the loveliest spots in Ireland. I’ll also be highlighting the best and most authentic Irish bars in these spots, as well as places to stay, eat and how to get there. Whether you’re taking a golfing holiday to Ireland in 2019 or are interested in doing so sometime in the future, I’ll make sure to let you in on the best places to spend your time.

In Part One of our Exploring Ireland series, we focused on County Wicklow and showcased Woodbrook Golf Club. Now it’s time for Part Two, and we’re taking a trip to the far northwest corner of the island, and into County Donegal.

While it may not be the most accessible destination, Donegal is an absolute must for anyone traveling to Ireland. Voted number one on The National Geographic Traveler’s ‘cool list’ for 2017, Donegal is like no place you’ve ever seen. Full of breathtaking beaches, incredible walking trails, cosy pubs and of course, excellent golf courses, you’re guaranteed to have a great time here.

Old Tom Morris Links, Donegal

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My pick for the top golf course to visit in the county is the Old Tom Morris Links, situated within the Rosapenna Hotel and Golf Resort.

In 1891, while a guest of Lord Leitrim, Old Tom Morris of St. Andrews decided to visit Donegal, and in typical Tom Morris fashion, he believed that it was the ideal location to build a championship course. What Morris created was a course with wide rolling fairways and magnificent greens that have stood the test of time.

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The course was renovated twice before a new Strand Nine opened in 2009 which now plays as the front nine of the Old Tom Morris Links. The addition gives the course a wonderful mix of a traditional and modern links feel.

The challenging course plays over 6,900 yards from the back tees, and only offers up the relief of three par-fives. The challenge can also become even more daunting should the wind blow, and being situated along “The Wild Atlantic Way,” you should expect nothing less.

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While you will no doubt enjoy the stern test and the natural feel of the golf course, visitors will have even more to look forward to should they take the trip here. The course runs along Tramore beach overlooking Sheephaven Bay and offers up sensational views no matter what hole you are on during your round.

The rates to play 18 holes at the Old Tom Morris Links begin at $40 in winter, and $60 during the summer months.

Food & Drink – The Olde Glen Bar, Carrigart

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A 10-minute drive from the course will take you to The Olde Glen Bar a few minutes from Carrigart, which Ulster’s very own Hollywood star and golf fan Jamie Dornan (The Fall, 50 Shades of Grey) called the “best bar in the world.”

The bar first opened in 1768, making it one of the oldest bars in Donegal. The Olde Glen Bar has kept its very traditional feel, and when you get there, you will feel like you’ve been transported back in time. Wooden floors, big open-lit fires, low ceilings and door frames add to the charm of this little bar where there is always something going on.

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There is live traditional music playing in the bar every weekend, and along with the music, The Olde Glen Bar boasts an excellent craft beer, whiskey and gin selection. The bar prides itself on its Kinnegar beer, brewed just up the road, and it’s well worth a try if Guinness isn’t your thing.

The bar also features a highly acclaimed restaurant, offering up dishes such as seatrout, venison, supreme of chicken and plenty of other delights.

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Where To Stay

The obvious choice is the Rosapenna Hotel and Golf Resort itself. This luxury establishment will cater to all your needs and is the ideal place to stay when in the area if you have the money to splash out. A classic double room will set you back around $200 a night, or you can go for the stay and play option which provides you with two nights bed, and breakfast along with a round of golf at both the Old Tom Morris and the Sandy Hills Links for around $300 per person.

If you’re looking for somewhere less expensive or more traditional, then there are plenty of cottages in the area that will add even more character to your adventure. Here’s what you can expect should you wish to stay in an Irish cottage in the area, and it will give you a feel for true Irish life out on the Atlantic Ocean.

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Donegal has lots to offer should you manage to pull yourself away from the course or the bar. Fishing, walking trails, surfing and scuba diving are all favorite activities to do while visiting Donegal. One must visit, however, is Glenveagh National Park, which is a nature reserve with beautiful scenery of mountains, lakes and woodlands. The highlight of the park though has to be Glenveagh Castle, built in 1870.

How To Get There

The lack of quality public transport in the area makes it a little trickier than other spots to get to, but if you’re driving, then there’s no issue at all. The Old Tom Morris Links is a 3 hrs 30mins drive from Dublin City Centre, 4hrs 10mins from Galway City Centre, and 1hr 15mins from Derry City Centre. If you happen to be flying into Donegal Airport, then it will take you around an hour to get to the area.

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