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GolfWRX Members and PGA Tour pros rip JB Holmes for his 4-minute deliberation (and layup)



It’s been three days since J.B. Holmes took more than four minutes to hit his second shot at Torrey Pines’ 18th Hole during the final round of the Farmers Insurance Open, and, oh boy, hot takes aplenty from fellow pros and GolfWRX members.

Holmes needed eagle to tie for the lead at the par-5 18th on Sunday. With 230 yards to the green, J.B. debated whether to aim for the putting surface or lay up. Four-minute long story short, he laid up (in the rough) and didn’t make eagle. Making matters worse, his playing partner, Alex Noren, would have won the tournament with a birdie, but he was effectively iced by Holmes (you could make the argument Noren should have been able to rise above, or merely told Holmes he was going to go ahead and hit).

We’ve heard from Holmes himself, who apologized, but didn’t seem to understand the outrage as he was “trying to win the tournament,” his fellow pros, and talking heads aplenty.

Now, let’s see what the GolfWRX membership has to say about the incident. And J.B., if you’re reading, avert your eyes. The first point to note: There were multiple “J.B. Holmes’ slow play” threads active prior to the incident at the 18th, which were merged into a single thread after “Fourminutetencecondgate.” Anyway, here’s a sampling of the responses from this now 13-page long thread.

Now, to be fair and balanced, the most diplomatic response was one of the first in the thread.

Mjen43 writes

“I don’t care about pace of play on television. They’re not holding me up, I’m just sitting here watching.”

Zz24hours (which is nearly as long as J.B. took) says

“That JB Holmes 2nd to 18 was borderline unsportsmanlike, moronic.”

Straightshot7 says

“They did just take 6 hours to play. That’s a problem. JB needs someone to follow his group with a shot clock and an air horn.”

North Texas looked at the situation from Noren’s perspective

“If I’m Alex Noren, I’m absolutely livid.” He later added, “Not only that, he [J.B.] “chickened out” and didn’t play to get into the playoff.”

Deadsolid…shank pointed out some potential lasting damage

“I’ve always been a JB fan. That just changed.”

Knock it close, ultimately, may have had the best take.

“Until someone other than a 14 year old asian kid [Guan Tianlang at the Masters in 2013] in is made an example of nothing will change. All other rules are enforced by the PGATour, why pace of play isn’t is beyond me.”

If you’re fired up about pace of play on the PGA Tour in general, or the J.B. Holmes ordeal in particular, you’ll want to check out this thread, because the GolfWRX membership has all the angles covered.

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  1. James

    Feb 1, 2018 at 2:39 pm

    Did somebody really spell second with a c?

  2. Jose Pinatas

    Jan 31, 2018 at 3:08 pm

    JB Holmes looks like he should be riding a unicycle between shots, scarfing down a bar S hotdogs leaving ketchup, mustard, and relish stains on his shirt. Works part time at the local tire service repair shop, and has a show on FX titled Baskets…

  3. Tartan Golf Travel

    Jan 31, 2018 at 2:48 pm

    JB was wrong. At some point you need to hit the ball. Also play to win. Choked down on a 3 wood if 5 wood wasn’t enough but you play to win. Also it was much longer than 4 mins. Palmer hit first so he had a few mins while Palmer was hitting to decide as well.

  4. Mandy

    Jan 31, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    So far I haven’t heard anyone even mention the high winds and wind gusts that JB was having to contend with right when it was his turn to take his shot. I have seen other more notable golfers take far more time than that to wait out the sudden gusts of wind. The only reason that this is even being discussed as much as it is, is because CBS didn’t have anywhere else to go and everyone got to watch and wait. Had JB not laid up, it wouldn’t have been blown out of proportion as it has been.

  5. The dude

    Jan 31, 2018 at 1:50 pm

    Topic is stale….move on

  6. Ed

    Jan 31, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    In golf and contract law — TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE :-O

  7. Curt

    Jan 31, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    JB needs to get his act together on the course. He’s a pro, and need to act like it, by respecting the pace of play for all concerned.

  8. TONEY P

    Jan 31, 2018 at 12:53 pm

    I support Holmes, playing to win a tournament with one shot that can make a difference. You need to take your time, nobody complained about Jack sitting over putts for a minute when they counted. If his group time was slow then remember it’s a group effort. Also freezing your opponent is part of most sports people. The gripers need to play more stroke tournaments to learn.

    • James T

      Jan 31, 2018 at 1:13 pm

      Icing your opponent, in particular the FG kicker in football, is okay… and acceptable. Not in golf. Sorry, if Nicklaus took a minute over a putt it doesn’t give Holmes the privilege of taking 4 minutes over a wedge shot. The two can’t even be compared. In the end the coward was just playing for 2nd place. The next morning Noren showed what a golf hero looks like by going for the green in 2. I’ll take Noren over Holmes any day.

    • Tartan Golf Travel

      Jan 31, 2018 at 2:46 pm

      But he didn’t play to win. After all that he laid up! It was actually longer than 4 minutes. Palmer hit first so he was there for a few minutes prior. You don’t slow play your opponent in golf…..especially in stroke play. You are just wrong on every point.

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Stephen Curry sponsors the creation of golf program at Howard University



NBA star and avid golfer Stephen Curry has donated a seven-figure sum to Howard University in a move that will see men’s and women’s golf teams at the school for at least the next six years.

As the Washington Post reported on Monday, this will be the first time the school will compete at the Division I level in the sport, and the university plans to have the teams ready to compete for the 2020/21 academic year.

Curry’s donation was partly inspired by Howard senior and golfer Otis Ferguson IV, and speaking on bringing golf back to Howard, the 31-year-old stated

“Golf is a sport that has changed my life in ways that are less tangible, but just as impactful. It’s a discipline that challenges your mental wherewithal from patience to focus, and is impossible to truly master, so when you hear about these passionate student athletes who have the talent but don’t have a fair shot at the game, it’s tough. I feel really honored to play a small role in the rich history of Howard University.”

Howard University’s previous collegiate golf team competed in Division II before disbanding three decades ago, and Curry’s donation is set to be paid out over six years in order for the golf team to become self-sustainable.

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Here is where each player will start the Tour Championship



Justin Thomas’ win at last week’s BMW Championship now gives him the lead in the FedEx Cup playoff race heading to the revamped Tour finale. The 26-year-old will start the Tour Championship at 10-under par, with his closest challenger Patrick Cantlay beginning the event two strokes further back at eight-under par.

Here are the starting positions for the 30 players at this week’s Tour Championship.

  • -10: Thomas
  • -8: Patrick Cantlay
  • -7: Brooks Koepka
  • -6: Patrick Reed
  • -5: Rory McIlroy
  • -4: Jon Rahm, Matt Kuchar, Xander Schauffele, Webb Simpson, Abraham Ancer
  • -3: Gary Woodland, Tony Finau, Adam Scott, Dustin Johnson, Hideki Matsuyama
  • -2: Paul Casey, Justin Rose, Brandt Snedeker, Rickie Fowler, Kevin Kisner
  • -1: Marc Leishman, Tommy Fleetwood, Corey Conners, Sungjae Im, Chez Reavie
  • Even Par: Bryson DeChambeau, Louis Oosthuizen, Charles Howell III, Lucas Glover, Jason Kokrak

The Tour Championship takes begins on August 22 from East Lake GC in Atlanta, GA, with the winner receiving $15 million.

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How much each player won at the 2019 BMW Championship



Justin Thomas produced a masterclass at Medinah Country Club to take home the BMW Championship title and with it claim the winner’s check worth just over $1.6 million. In what was a crucial week in the FedEx Cup race, Patrick Cantlay who finished runner-up to Thomas collects a check for just under $1 million and will head to Atlanta for the Tour Championship one place back of the 26-year-old.

With players battling for a place at East Lake and no cut in place, here’s a look at what the 69 players in action earned at last week’s BMW Championship.

1: Justin Thomas $1,665,000.00

2 Patrick Cantlay 999,000.00

3 Hideki Matsuyama 629,000.00

4 Tony Finau 444,000.00

T5 Jon Rahm 351,500.00

T5 Brandt Snedeker 351,500.00

T7 Corey Conners 298,312.50

T7 Lucas Glover 298,312.50

T9 Kevin Kisner 259,000.00

T9 Adam Scott 259,000.00

T11 Tommy Fleetwood 196,100.00

T11 Rickie Fowler 196,100.00

T11 Sungjae Im 196,100.00

T11 Louis Oosthuizen 196,100.00

T11 Kevin Tway 196,100.00

T16 J.T. Poston 148,000.00

T16 Rory Sabbatini 148,000.00

T16 Vaughn Taylor 148,000.00

T19 Jason Kokrak 112,110.00

T19 Marc Leishman 112,110.00

T19 Rory McIlroy 112,110.00

T19 Patrick Reed 112,110.00

T19 Xander Schauffele 112,110.00

T24 Paul Casey 78,856.25

T24 Joel Dahmen 78,856.25

T24 Brooks Koepka 78,856.25

T24 Webb Simpson 78,856.25

T28 Byeong Hun An 65,675.00

T28 Abraham Ancer 65,675.00

T28 Si Woo Kim 65,675.00

T31 Wyndham Clark 53,650.00

T31 Emiliano Grillo 53,650.00

T31 Joaquin Niemann 53,650.00

T31 C.T. Pan 53,650.00

T31 Ian Poulter 53,650.00

T31 Gary Woodland 53,650.00

T37 Billy Horschel 40,700.00

T37 Charles Howell III 40,700.00

T37 Ryan Moore 40,700.00

T37 Scott Piercy 40,700.00

T37 Jordan Spieth 40,700.00

T37 Tiger Woods 40,700.00

T43 Keegan Bradley 30,525.00

T43 Adam Hadwin 30,525.00

T43 Troy Merritt 30,525.00

T43 Ryan Palmer 30,525.00

T43 Andrew Putnam 30,525.00

T48 Bryson DeChambeau 23,865.00

T48 Shane Lowry 23,865.00

T48 Phil Mickelson 23,865.00

T48 Collin Morikawa 23,865.00

T52 Jason Day 21,571.00

T52 Dylan Frittelli 21,571.00

T52 Matt Kuchar 21,571.00

T52 Keith Mitchell 21,571.00

T52 Justin Rose 21,571.00

T57 Jim Furyk 20,627.50

T57 Dustin Johnson 20,627.50

T57 Graeme McDowell 20,627.50

T57 Chez Reavie 20,627.50

T61 Max Homa 20,072.50

T61 Francesco Molinari 20,072.50

T63 Rafa Cabrera Bello 19,702.50

T63 Sung Kang 19,702.50

T65 Cameron Champ 19,240.00

T65 J.B. Holmes 19,240.00

T65 Adam Long 19,240.00

68 Harold Varner III 18,870.00

69 Nate Lashley 18,685.00

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