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Another controversial Grayson Murray tweet. Does he have a point or nah?



Not another “Grayson Murray’s incendiary tweet” post… Yes, WRXers, we’re at this grim place again. But rather than piling on Mr. Murray, as other outlets are keen to, let’s examine what he said and consider the merit of what he had to tweet.

Murray is nary more than week into his return to Twitter, and already he’s courting controversy. In response to Golf Channel’s Will Gray tweeting about the Bernhard-Langer-was-robbed conclusion to the Charles Schwab Cup,

Here’s the since-deleted tweet.

He then followed up with this response to a response, as it were.

Of course, Murray caught plenty of flack and will certainly be getting a call from the good folks in Ponte Vedra. However, it’s worth asking: Do other pros feel this way about the PGA Tour Champions?

The senior circuit, that is, as televised, widely promoted competition is kind of an odd thing. Doubtless, the over-50 set should have a place to play. But in an environment where PGA Tour events can’t all lock up sponsors, it’s a bit strange to see 1,000 ads for the Charles Schwab Cup and an inferior product to PGA Tour, European Tour, and Tour golf.

But hey, if the sponsorship dollars flow and the viewers view, carry on.

As to Murray’s point about the relevance of the big names on the PGA Tour Champions. While it may be disrespectful and inappropriate, it nevertheless has a measure of validity.

All of this said, you have to wonder how long Murray can afford to keep up his personal quest for honesty and a lack of duplicity on Twitter. Literally, as those PGA Tour fines add up.

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  1. TheCityGame

    Nov 16, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    Grayson Murray doesn’t realize when he takes a shot at the Champions Tour, he’s taking a shot at guys I grew up idolizing. . .guys like Esteban Toledo and Fran Quinn.

    That said. . .until one of you gets a T9 at the Safeway Open, you might want to lay off Grayson.

  2. DoubleMochaMan

    Nov 15, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    This Mr. Grayson seems to have no empathy. I hope he doesn’t have a Grandpa who loves to play golf and watch the Champions Tour. At the rate Grayson is not making money on the pro tour he’ll be quite happy to hit the Champion’s Tour when he comes of age. I will be there to remind him of what he said so many years prior.

  3. Ben Jones

    Nov 15, 2017 at 3:07 pm

    Let’s see Murray tee it up against Langer and then talk. Cinderella boy wishing he had Langer’s ability.

  4. Dirk Digger

    Nov 15, 2017 at 9:03 am

    Who is Grayson Murray? Is he Bill Murray kid? Well, he needs a spanking!

  5. Dirk Digger

    Nov 15, 2017 at 9:03 am

    Who is Grayson Murray? Is he Bill Murray kid? Well, he needs a spanking!

  6. Andrew

    Nov 15, 2017 at 12:24 am

    Torrey Pines subsidizes the rest of the San Diego goat tracks. Should they be closed?

  7. chopper

    Nov 14, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    I watch a fair amount of golf, and I am pretty sure that if it were not for his Twitter vomit, I would have never heard of Grayson Murray. In other words his opinion of relevancy is not relevent.

  8. Gary Herron

    Nov 14, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    IMO the Champions (Senior Tour) or whatever you want to call it , it lost it’s appeal when they made it nearly in possible for Journeyman Golfers to qualify for the PGA events. Bring back Larry Lorette, Ben Smith , Robert Landers and the Iron workers, Driving Range owners , Auto Mechanics who added color and human interest stories to the game. Now they game is saturated with PGA pros that are looking for retirement income or hoping to achieve the glory they failed to get on the regular tour.

    • RHJazz

      Nov 14, 2017 at 9:18 pm

      Completely agree. It’s become a closed club that’s probably the hardest tour to get into. Used to be fun to think you could make a run at it – I mean at 50 I’ve got much more time and money to play golf! I loved the stories of guys getting there first chance at professional golf as seniors. Not so interested anymore and I certainly don’t daydream about it…

  9. orangeology

    Nov 14, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    what a big deal. the era of the sea of SNS. Paige Spiranac plays golf with her boobies, this Gray Who guys plays golf with his fingers. whether you value the fedex ranking or those numbers of likes and RTs, up to you. right?

  10. scott smith

    Nov 14, 2017 at 11:51 am

    I agree 100% with Graysons comments however in his position probably keeping them to himself was the right thing to do…and I`m 59 years old if that means anything.

  11. Henry

    Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 am

    This grayson guy who ive never heard of is obviously attention seeking. Clearly. And reporters like urself are actually tryinf to make him sound clever when in fact what he said is pretty stupid. Cus honestly, id rather watch Langer play over him anyday of the week. Grayson who?

  12. M-Herd4

    Nov 14, 2017 at 10:43 am

    Nah. I really enjoy watching/following the Champions Tour. I just enjoy watching players make this great/difficult game look easy. At 48 years old now I relate more to the over 50 crowd and even quite a few of the LPGA players more than I do some young 20 something who just likes to create a stir on social media. And technically, the PGA Tour doesn’t subsidize itself. The PGA Tour Champions is a branch of the PGA Tour. Whether the PGA Tour makes any revenue off of the Champions Tour is a different story.

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What’s the biggest golf surprise of 2017?



The 2017-2018 PGA Tour and European Tour seasons have already kicked off. The turkey is gone, and Christmas is rapidly approaching. Not surprisingly, the dying embers of 2017 have GolfWRX members in a reflective mood.

MattyO1984 (on his mid-morning tea break, no less), authored a thread dedicated to the biggest shock of 2017. His reflections center around golf’s favorite rolling two-year rating of relative performance.

“I ended up on the OWGR page and seeing some of the positions for guys who were Top 5 (not Patrick Reed) material just a year ago took me by surprise. For example, I am sure that most posters on here will know that Jason Day started the year as world number one and is now down to 12. There is then McIlroy who is just, and only just, holding on to being 10th. Everyone will know that neither won this season and of course that is going to result in them slipping down the rankings but who would have thought that they would have both been winless.”

Matty then goes on to examine the other side of the coin: Jon Rahm, Justin Thomas, Tommy Fleetwood, etc.

WRXers, keen to discuss the topic, point to Justin Thomas’ rapid rise, as well, and plenty didn’t see a Sergio Garcia major victory in the cards.

KirkNo-yes points out

1. Hideki Matsuyama’s virtual fall off the map after ending the last season/starting this season so dominant
2. Lopsided Presidents cup win
3. DJ not winning a major

Less than a week old and already more than 60 replies deep, this is a hot topic that’ll only get hotter as the year continues to wind down.

See what other WRX members think, and add your own biggest surprises  in the thread.


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Who would you most want to trade swings with on Tour?



Equipment expert Brian Knudson and Editor Andrew Tursky cover a wide variety of topics in this episode including golf movies, golf swings, and Jake Owen making his pro tournament debut. Watch and enjoy the video below!

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The great “golfers don’t get paid enough” debate



Do professional golfers stack as much cash as they ought to? Walter Hagen, Ben Hogan, Byron Nelson, and Sam Snead would certainly say so (even allowing for inflation).

Even so, everything is relative, and (on court/course/field) athlete compensation is a function of ad dollars, sponsorships, and television deals, as we all know. In golf, it’s pretty simple tale we’ve heard time and again: Purse sizes swelled during the Tiger Woods era as sponsorship dollars flooded into the sport and more people tuned in.

Today’s PGA Tour pros are the beneficiaries…except they’re still being short-changed, GolfWRX member MaddMaxx suggests in a forum thread he dedicated to the topic.

Jordan Spieth: $34.5 million
Salary/bonuses: $5.5 million
Endorsements: $29 million

So he made 5.5 million. The pay of a 3rd string baseball player, a soccer player who shows up.
A fairly good hockey player…..

Which sport so you think is the lowest/highest paid when considering:

the talent/ability required
hours of practice
pressure situations(stress)
have a life outside the sport
life after the sport

I think golf is the most underpaid.

Your-away argues the opposite

“He will also be making millions much later in life than any other sport, soccer players are generally done by there mid 30’s, he will just be reaching his prime. I think good pro golfers have it pretty good.”

RSinSG offered some perspective.

“It’s all about putting people in stadium seats or in front of a TV.  Ticket sales = more salary. A group of athletes who are even more underpaid are all female athletes. They play just as hard, practice just as long but since the viewership is so small the pay is proportional.”

Seth Pistol called to mind the athletes with arguably the worst lot

“Salary is based on demand, not based on skill.  not only ticket sales but TV contracts, endorsement opportunities, merchandising, etc etc etc.  Golfers get paid pretty well in my opinion.  Think about the hundreds of Olympic athletes who scrape by.  These athletes are no less talented or dedicated but their sport is “unpopular” and therefore $$$ is non-existant.  Those are the guys who really get screwed.”

MattyO1984 writes

“I am of course biased in all of this because Golf is my number one sport but in comparison when you consider that the winner of the tennis US Open received, $3.7 Million this year, compared to the $2.16 Million that Koepka got, I think you can argue that golfers, in the world of sport, are underpaid.”       

Raynorfan1 thinks this is lunacy

“This is crazy talk. In the HISTORY of mens tennis, only 54 guys have made $10M (in aggregate for their career)…compared to 174 in golf. Tiger Woods has made almost exactly the same amount as Roger Federer ($~110M), but Federer has had the more dominant career.

“Then look down to #10 on the career money lists – for golf, it’s Steve Stricker at $43 million. For tennis, its BORIS freaking BECKER. Stricker has won basically nothing (no majors). Becker won 6 slams and made a total of $25M.”

And these are just culled from the first 15 replies. And the thread is only a day old! In other words, the thread is blowing up and the takes are red hot.

How can you not have a strong opinion on the issue of player compensation? Join the discussion!


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