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Another controversial Grayson Murray tweet. Does he have a point or nah?

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Not another “Grayson Murray’s incendiary tweet” post… Yes, WRXers, we’re at this grim place again. But rather than piling on Mr. Murray, as other outlets are keen to, let’s examine what he said and consider the merit of what he had to tweet.

Murray is nary more than week into his return to Twitter, and already he’s courting controversy. In response to Golf Channel’s Will Gray tweeting about the Bernhard-Langer-was-robbed conclusion to the Charles Schwab Cup,

Here’s the since-deleted tweet.

He then followed up with this response to a response, as it were.

Of course, Murray caught plenty of flack and will certainly be getting a call from the good folks in Ponte Vedra. However, it’s worth asking: Do other pros feel this way about the PGA Tour Champions?

The senior circuit, that is, as televised, widely promoted competition is kind of an odd thing. Doubtless, the over-50 set should have a place to play. But in an environment where PGA Tour events can’t all lock up sponsors, it’s a bit strange to see 1,000 ads for the Charles Schwab Cup and an inferior product to PGA Tour, European Tour, and Web.com Tour golf.

But hey, if the sponsorship dollars flow and the viewers view, carry on.

As to Murray’s point about the relevance of the big names on the PGA Tour Champions. While it may be disrespectful and inappropriate, it nevertheless has a measure of validity.

All of this said, you have to wonder how long Murray can afford to keep up his personal quest for honesty and a lack of duplicity on Twitter. Literally, as those PGA Tour fines add up.

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  1. TheCityGame

    Nov 16, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    Grayson Murray doesn’t realize when he takes a shot at the Champions Tour, he’s taking a shot at guys I grew up idolizing. . .guys like Esteban Toledo and Fran Quinn.

    That said. . .until one of you gets a T9 at the Safeway Open, you might want to lay off Grayson.

  2. DoubleMochaMan

    Nov 15, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    This Mr. Grayson seems to have no empathy. I hope he doesn’t have a Grandpa who loves to play golf and watch the Champions Tour. At the rate Grayson is not making money on the pro tour he’ll be quite happy to hit the Champion’s Tour when he comes of age. I will be there to remind him of what he said so many years prior.

  3. Ben Jones

    Nov 15, 2017 at 3:07 pm

    Let’s see Murray tee it up against Langer and then talk. Cinderella boy wishing he had Langer’s ability.

  4. Dirk Digger

    Nov 15, 2017 at 9:03 am

    Who is Grayson Murray? Is he Bill Murray kid? Well, he needs a spanking!

  5. Dirk Digger

    Nov 15, 2017 at 9:03 am

    Who is Grayson Murray? Is he Bill Murray kid? Well, he needs a spanking!

  6. Andrew

    Nov 15, 2017 at 12:24 am

    Torrey Pines subsidizes the rest of the San Diego goat tracks. Should they be closed?

  7. chopper

    Nov 14, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    I watch a fair amount of golf, and I am pretty sure that if it were not for his Twitter vomit, I would have never heard of Grayson Murray. In other words his opinion of relevancy is not relevent.

  8. Gary Herron

    Nov 14, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    IMO the Champions (Senior Tour) or whatever you want to call it , it lost it’s appeal when they made it nearly in possible for Journeyman Golfers to qualify for the PGA events. Bring back Larry Lorette, Ben Smith , Robert Landers and the Iron workers, Driving Range owners , Auto Mechanics who added color and human interest stories to the game. Now they game is saturated with PGA pros that are looking for retirement income or hoping to achieve the glory they failed to get on the regular tour.

    • RHJazz

      Nov 14, 2017 at 9:18 pm

      Completely agree. It’s become a closed club that’s probably the hardest tour to get into. Used to be fun to think you could make a run at it – I mean at 50 I’ve got much more time and money to play golf! I loved the stories of guys getting there first chance at professional golf as seniors. Not so interested anymore and I certainly don’t daydream about it…

  9. orangeology

    Nov 14, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    what a big deal. the era of the sea of SNS. Paige Spiranac plays golf with her boobies, this Gray Who guys plays golf with his fingers. whether you value the fedex ranking or those numbers of likes and RTs, up to you. right?

  10. scott smith

    Nov 14, 2017 at 11:51 am

    I agree 100% with Graysons comments however in his position probably keeping them to himself was the right thing to do…and I`m 59 years old if that means anything.

  11. Henry

    Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 am

    This grayson guy who ive never heard of is obviously attention seeking. Clearly. And reporters like urself are actually tryinf to make him sound clever when in fact what he said is pretty stupid. Cus honestly, id rather watch Langer play over him anyday of the week. Grayson who?

  12. M-Herd4

    Nov 14, 2017 at 10:43 am

    Nah. I really enjoy watching/following the Champions Tour. I just enjoy watching players make this great/difficult game look easy. At 48 years old now I relate more to the over 50 crowd and even quite a few of the LPGA players more than I do some young 20 something who just likes to create a stir on social media. And technically, the PGA Tour doesn’t subsidize itself. The PGA Tour Champions is a branch of the PGA Tour. Whether the PGA Tour makes any revenue off of the Champions Tour is a different story.

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Bryson does Bryson: DeChambeau spotted using a compass to read greens

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Plenty of armchair humorists an hot take artists remarked on Bryson DeChambeau’s use of a compass during the Travelers Championship this weekend.

Unfortunately (perhaps) for DeChambeau, the PGA Tour spotted the former physics major utilizing the device.

While it’s highly irregular/quite expected from DeChambeau, the powers that be aren’t certain of the legality of compass use.

“They said we just want to let you know we’re investigating this device and seeing if it’s allowable or not,” DeChambeau said.

The SMU alum also threw this bit of shade at the Tour: “People are saying it’s an unusual device, that’s at least what the tour’s saying…ryson deIt’s funny people take notice when you start playing well.”

Let’s press pause here for a second to address the elephant in the room: What the heck was Bryson doing with the compass-and-yardage-book routine.

Here’s what he told reporters

“Figuring out true pin locations. The pin locations are a little bit off every once in a while, so I’m making sure they’re in the exact right spot.”

True pin locations. Is that like true gravity? Anyway, DeChambeau has reportedly been using the device since 2016… How is this the first we’re seeing of it? Does he only bust out the compass when he suspects

It also wasn’t the first time DeChambeau has used the device, he said, noting that he’d been doing so since the 2016 PGA Tour stop in Las Vegas. Reportedly, the Tour’s investigation concerns whether the compass is an “allowable” device (per Will Gray).

What do you think, GolfWRX members? Rules junkies: Is Bryson in violation? Mathematically inclined/cartographers: Is the technique an asset in cases of “untrue” pins?

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Baba Booey for Life! Does this GolfWRX member have a point?

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Oh boy, here’s a heater. On the subject of Baba Booey-ing at golf tournaments, WRX member Stickner started a thread, writing

“For those that think nois.e while a player hits shouldn’t be allowed, you must also believe that fans should NEVER make noise.

“A player with a large gallery jars a 70 footer for eagle to take the lead. The crowd erupts! This should not be allowed.

“Why you ask? There are other golfers well within earshot of the noise. This could disrupt their game. Why does the nearby player you can see deserve the “courtesy of quiet” but the one 400 yards away that you can’t see doesn’t?

“We have all seen players back off because the crowd erupted on another hole. What happens when that eruption happens in the backswing right before the player is about to transition to the downswing? Those boisterous hooligans need to keep their traps shut as this is a gentleman’s game right?

“Being quiet while someone plays golf is silly. My guess is that the elitist snobs that played this game a century ago needed a scapegoat when hitting a bad shot and noise became their scapegoat.”

He wraps his rant in, well, the most appropriate way possible: “BABA BOOEY FOR LIFE B&^%HES!”

Now, this flies in the face of the “isolated noise during the golf swing is extremely distracting” argument that is popularly leveled in defense of silence. But let’s see what GolfWRX members think about Stickner’s comments.

MtlJeff says

“While i am not in favor of intentionally yelling during a swing, your point is an interesting one. I hadn’t really thought of it like that, the loud roars often get overlooked when it comes to the “distracting noise” narrative.”

Eagle1997 says

“Planned vs. Spontaneous. Jabroni Factor only applies to one.”

Blackngold_blood says

“I am fine with cheering for a great shot or groaning for a bad one. My problem with…bababooey and mashed potatoes is the fact that it has nothing to do with GOLF! All the person is doing is screaming “Look at me, I need attention!” Or how about the even less classy “How’s your ankle” that was shouted at Finau after he hit his last approach to 18. I get the point that these are professional athletes and golf is becoming more mainstream but the immature comments need to stop.”

Naptime says

“Background noises and distant noises can be perceived as while noise. If you play next to a highway you adapt and become less aware of it. But if a trucker blasts a horn in your swing it would startle and at least for me would probably result in a hot grounder to third base. Yelling Baba Booey or any other lame comment after a swing doesn’t startle the swinger, just make the shouter sound like a doofus who can’t hold his alcohol.”

What do you think, GolfWRX members? Does Stickner have a point? Should the rules of the wider sports world apply to golf, or does golf fandom require a particular understanding of when to be quiet and when to cheer?

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Both Rory McIlroy and Jordan Spieth laughed at Phil Mickelson’s 13th hole antics

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The image of 48-year-old Phil Mickelson jogging after his golf ball on the 13th green at Shinnecock, Saturday, was bizarrely comedic. Even if you condemn Mickelson in the strongest of terms, taken on its face, the scene is a silly one.

That said, it’s interesting that two of the biggest names in the game had the same response: laughter.

Speaking before the Travelers Championship, Rory McIlroy said

“I saw what happened…and honestly, I laughed. I felt there was a massive overreaction to it. Knowing Phil, he knew what he was doing, and as a player who has been in that head space before in a tournament, I can see it happening.”

Jordan Spieth voiced similar sentiments earlier in the week

“I laughed, I thought it was really funny…Phil knows the rules…There was a chance it was going to go back behind the bunker and he’s got to chip back, or he was going to play off the green anyways, so he was potentially saving himself a shot. So if that was the intent, then what’s the harm in that? He’s playing the best score he can.”

There are a couple of widely different perspectives (and plenty in-between) here.

One: Thank goodness Spieth and McIlroy aren’t uptight dogmatists when it comes to the rules, and they appreciate the humor in an absurd situation.

Two: Spieth and McIlroy, as significant figures in the game, ought to stand up for the integrity of the rules of golf, condemning Mickelson’s behavior…and perhaps question whether disqualification was in order (as Jason Day and other pros have done).

Which camp you find yourself in likely aligns with how you view the Mickelson incident: A humorous and well-deserved middle finger to the USGA or a reprehensible act for which Mickelson was not sufficiently punished?

Beneath Mickelson’s behavior and the responses of McIlroy and Spieth is the ever-growing rift between the USGA and PGA Tour players–as well as a level of annoyance with/disdain for the organization’s Rules of Golf.

Remembering how Mickelson spearheaded the overhaul of the PGA of America-run U.S. Ryder Cup team and its procedures when he called out captain Tom Watson in 2014, it was the same sort of situation: “Is this calculated, or has he lost his mind?” everyone seemed to be asking.

In the wake of those remarks, players rallied behind the veteran, and he assumed a leadership position in the reform effort. Whether we see something similar with respect to the pros and the USGA/U.S. Open, it certainly looks like the political will for change is there among Tour players, as McIlroy and Spieth’s remarks suggest.

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