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Q&A with Vikash Sanyal of Happy Putter: How has the putter industry changed?

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Vikash Sanyal, now the President of Brainstorm Golf and inventor of the Happy Putters — possibly the most aesthetically differentiable putters on the market — got his start as a founding member of the Odyssey Golf Team where he helped the company launch industry-changing product after industry-changing product. He was there when Odyssey flipped the putter industry on its head, and he developed the skills to later build the Never Compromise company, where he shook up the industry again. After a hiatus from the industry since selling Never Compromise, Sanyal has reemerged by developing Brainstorm Golf. He’s attempting to make a splash in the waters of the putter market once again, highlighted by his lie-angle, loft-, offset- and head-weight-adjustable putters launched in 2015.

This time around, however, Sanyal has noticed things have changed; from buying habits of golfers to the equipment market in general. He’s also used feedback from GolfWRX members to help shape his newest products, the Eye Align Series that will sell for significantly less than his original release; that’s because he’s listened to the market, consumer, and GolfWRXers.

Check out the Q&A with Sanyal conducted via email by our Andrew Tursky below for more information, and see more photos and discussion of the new Happy Putter Eye Align Series putters here.

Andrew Tursky: How has the putter industry changed from when you first started working with Odyssey until now? 

Vikash Sanyal: Wow, that’s a broad question! It’s changed in many ways. From a manufacturer’s perspective, there has been more consolidation. When we started Odyssey, the market was dominated by Ping, but there were quite a few smaller companies that were emerging. Now the market is dominated by the larger manufacturers who own their own putter brands. One result of this consolidation is that it is much more difficult to gain traction on the professional golf tours. In the old days, almost all the tour players were open to work with, but now most of them are getting paid to use putters through their equipment companies. That being said, one thing that hasn’t changed is that a new technology that can help performance will always have an opportunity to make an impact with tour players. That is why we are excited to bring our new Eye Align Series with adjustable alignment and adjustable weight to the tour, as it addresses the main weaknesses that most golfers have, poor alignment and inconsistent distance control.

Another change that is noteworthy is the shift in the retail environment and consumer purchasing habits. In today’s market, the consumer is so much more educated because of their access to information through the internet. When we started Odyssey, most of our business was through green grass locations, and we relied heavily on the PGA professionals to share our story. Now the majority of the business is generated through off-course shops, and the consumers are coming in looking for the product they want.  Another byproduct of consumers being more informed is that direct online sales are much more prominent.

The last change that I want to comment on is that the pricing in the putter category has gone through the roof and it makes us feel badly for the consumers. At Brainstorm Golf, we are challenging ourselves to not only be the most innovative putter company, but also to offer those innovations at a price that all golfers can afford. Consumers shouldn’t have to pay $300 plus to get an innovative putter. We believe our putters are the most innovative on the market at any price point, they just happen to sell for $129.99. This doesn’t diminish the fact that our adjustable technologies are the most unique and impactful technologies offered in the last decade.

AT: How do the increasing prices of putters in the current market affect how golfers purchase putters? Is this a positive or a negative? 

VS: The main effect has been that many golfers have stopped buying new putters. The market size has shrunk by over 50 percent in the last decade. It isn’t a coincidence that the average selling price for putters has increased by over $100 during this time frame.  Golfers are smart, they look at the putter technologies that have been offered to them over the past decade and they see many recycled technologies. It isn’t that these putters haven’t been great, but the technologies that they offer have been seen before, and even if they are slightly better, the problem is, they are only slightly better, and golfers ask themselves, “is it really worth $350 for something that is only a little better than what I already have?” The challenge for manufacturers is developing meaningful technologies at affordable prices that are unique.

Is it positive or negative? Well that depends on your perspective. From a manufacturer and retailer perspective, it’s a negative because they are selling much less than before.  However, I think it is a positive for consumers for them to make a stand and basically challenge manufacturers to be more innovative. At Brainstorm Golf, we were forced to listen, our first products were innovative, but they were also in the $300 range. As we studied the market information and listened to the customer feedback, we knew we had to develop a product unlike anything else, make sure the technology was real, and also make sure the putter was affordable. While it wasn’t easy, we did it, and while it’s only been a couple of months, we have already sold more of our new Eye Align Series with adjustable alignment and adjustable weight than we did all last year. The fact that the putters sell for $129.99 is a large factor in our initial success.

AT: You say the market has shrunk for putters by over 50 percent in the last decade. Is this particular to putters, or is the market shrinking for golf clubs in general?   

VS: According to Golf Datatech, the industry’s measuring stick when it comes to research, the majority of categories in the golf market have reduced in size over the past decade, but putters have experienced the most dramatic reduction. Again, we think this is a statement being made by consumers that are demanding more innovation at a reasonable price.

AT: What was the specific feedback you were hearing from customers or Tour players about previous Happy Putters, and what have you changed other than the price point?

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The main message was simplification. For the tech crazies, they loved the Happy Putter with all the adjustable features. However, many tour players, retailers, and consumers asked us to clean up the look of the putter and simplify the technology.  We actually need to thank your readers that posted reviews in your equipment forums because their comments influenced our product development. People often ask me what the breakthrough moment at Odyssey was, and it’s easy to say when Nick Faldo won the Masters, but I actually think the breakthrough moment occurred a couple of years earlier when we found a way to get our technology, “better feel,” into more traditional shapes.  Odyssey really started to gain momentum on tour and the market place when we launched the original Dual Force series that were traditional shapes with the Stronomic insert. It’s the same thing we are experiencing with the early momentum of the Eye Align Series, new and innovative technology, that is much different than anything else being offered, contained within traditional shapes. If a golfer can take a shape they already like and make it easier to align and easier to control distance, why wouldn’t they?

AT: How did the GolfWRX community specifically influence product development in the new Eye Align Series?

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VS: We have a lot of respect for your audience, mostly because of their passion for equipment. One of the best things about your audience is that they are brutally honest, but that is a good thing. As a new company, one of the challenges is being open minded to constructive criticism without being so sensitive that you are always jumping around and overreacting to every negative opinion you receive. We read every review and comment that appeared on your website, and there was some very specific feedback regarding design and function that directly influenced our Eye Align Series. For example, many of your readers felt the technology was “too complicated,” this led us to simplify and focus our efforts on alignment and distance control, the two most important aspects of putting. We also recall comments that your readers didn’t like the way the putter looked at address, so we decided to offer our adjustable technologies within more traditional shapes taking away another barrier.

Another thing I love about your readers is that they are not afraid to mix it up within themselves. For every criticism we received, there were readers who defended the product, which we really appreciated. Ultimately, your readers are very well informed and have great input. In fact, the changes they suggested, were very much in line with the feedback we have received from tour players.

AT: So tell me about the new product(s) and technology, and how you think it will help golfers play better.

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The best technologies are the simple ones that have the most impact. When you think about putting, it’s pretty simple. If you align accurately and you control your distance well, you are going to be a good putter. The Happy Putter is the only putter on the market that allows golfers to dial in those two features. The most common problem on the greens is poor alignment, if you can’t see the line properly, your mind knows this subconsciously, and you don’t commit to the stroke, causing deceleration, and ultimately resulting in poor, inconsistent putting. The reason we believe the Eye Align Series is the best alignment putter ever made is that every golfer can adjust the alignment to fit their individual visual tendencies. I’ve personally witnessed numerous tour players improve their alignment by simply changing their alignment guide, some see lines better, others shapes, colors vs. black and white also matters. Even the width of the alignment lines can have an impact. The bottom line is that for the first time ever, golfers don’t have to guess what they see best, they can try the different guides, and through our visual diagnostic test, which can be found on our website, they can know what they see most accurately. Just think how much better golfers will putt if they know they are lined up accurately. They would only have to focus on their distance control, and we all know, the less you think on the greens the better.

We also firmly believe that “Lazy Eye Syndrome” is real, if it wasn’t, putters wouldn’t go stale. Over time, golfers get tired of looking at the same alignment features, they focus less, and they don’t putt as well. Our alignment system allows golfers to “reboot” their eyes. Before that meant golfers would buy a new putter or pull an old one out of the garage. Now they just need to change their alignment guide, so the feel of the putter stays the same even though the look is new.

Likewise with the adjustable weights.  Every golfer has a swing tempo for their putter, and with the Happy Putter you can adjust the weights to find the best weight for your individual swing tempo and be much more consistent with your distance control.

It’s simple, but it works.

AT: I also understand you have a new “multi-alignment guide” system. Can you explain how this system works, and what benefit it may have for golfers?  

New alignment aids will be available, including different designs and colors

New alignment aids will be available, including different designs and colors

It’s really quite simple. Every golfer, for that matter, every person has personal visual tendencies. Colors vs. black and white, lines vs. shapes. Digging even deeper, there is a difference between thick lines and thin lines, and also between what types of shapes are preferred. We have developed a system that allows golfers to “diagnose” their individual visual preferences. The cool thing is that no matter what your preference, we have a guide that will help you line up more accurately than ever before. Our putter comes with three guides, but starting this fall, we will be offering an additional 12 guides to choose from, and we expect that number to grow. It’s also a great way to fight Lazy Eye Syndrome, rather than buying a new putter, just buy a new set of alignment guides at a fraction of the price. We’ve started sharing this technology with the tour players and the response has been great. First there was curiosity because we are offering something that no other putter has, but that curiosity quickly shifts into excitement as for the first time, these tour players understand their natural visual tendencies. The technology is real, and we’ve witnessed that the results are immediate. Just imagine how much better a player can putt if they only need to think about distance control because they know they are lined up accurately.

AT: What does the future hold for Happy Putter as the putter industry continues to evolve? 

Our goal has always remained the same, to help as many golfers as possible by offering the most innovative technologies in the putter category. There is a reason that the putter market has experienced a massive reduction in size. Golfers are smart, and they motivate our team to make putters that offer impactful technologies that have never been seen before. Not incremental advances or recycled technologies, but rather major steps forward that will make golfers take notice. Having done this a couple of times before, we realize there is no room for ego in building a market leader. The breakthrough ideas may come from tour players, our retail partners, consumers, and yes, GolfWRX forum posters. But we don’t care who gets the credit, we just want to make the best putters in the industry.

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  1. joro

    Sep 29, 2017 at 11:40 am

    The Putter industry has changed a lot. These guys are getting rich off of copying old standards and selling them for a bunch. What a joke as we have to have a Scotty, or whoever is making themselves a star copying a proven design with a small Change. We have to have what Day Putts with because he had a great yr. on the Greens, where is he now, and what is he using.

    I have a Scotty, an Odysee or two, and Putt with a 40 yr. old Wilson TPA that REALLY works. So much for the ego, that is what it really is about, having one, kind of like Blowhards PXG. “I am no better, but I have one”. You think they play with whatever for free? Think again.

  2. Jay Mack

    Sep 25, 2017 at 9:13 am

    I recently started looking for a new putter (mine was OLD), and looked at everything out there. When it comes to putting, obviously, feel is the most important thing. And, “Feel” can be different for everyone. When I looked at the Happy Putter, I liked the fact that (to me) it offered more than other putters. I liked the different eye alignments, but loved the changeable weights. Ball feels great coming of the face and I seem to be hitting better putts, more consistently. I’m thrilled with my purchase.

  3. X-out

    Sep 23, 2017 at 9:55 am

    These so-called ‘alignment aids’ are only for statically lining up the putter to the ball, but once the putter starts moving in the backstroke they are redundant….. and then the putter wobbles all over the place before it returns to the ball with the face all out of alignment.

    • Rich Douglas

      Sep 24, 2017 at 9:20 am

      I play the original Happy Putter for its adjustability. I’ve never been impressed with–or have even noticed–alignment aids.

  4. Barry

    Sep 23, 2017 at 8:22 am

    I stumbled upon the Happy Putter when the first one was in the design stage. Although I liked it, I thought it needed to evolve. I recently purchased the eye align mallet. Wow! It fits my eye, feels good in my hands, and on lag putts, it’s easy to scoop up my gimme putt with the back of the putter. Now that’s a good design.

  5. Rich Douglas

    Sep 22, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    I have both first-generation Happy Putters. I prefer the mallet because it’s heavier (by 30 grams).

    What I cannot believe is that the 2nd generation putters are all heel-shafted, where the 1st gen putters were center-shafted. This matters! Yet no mention of this–and whatever accompanying implications are present–in the article.

    The new putters are way less adjustable–a feature I really like in the old ones. You can adjust lie angle (3 choices), loft (3 choices) weight (3 choices on the heel and another 3 on the toe), off-set (again, 3 choices), and you can switch it all to left-handed, too. The colors are striking–you either like it or you don’t. (The mallet is dominated by bright blue and green, the blade is blue and silver).

    I prefer–by far–a center-shafted putter. They’re becoming more and more rare, IMHO. I’m just glad I got my Happy Putter when I did.

  6. JB

    Sep 22, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    Great article. I have a Happy Putter and love it. The multi alignment guide is ideal as I change mine out every few weeks to keep a fresh look when lining up a putt.

  7. Mike kluth

    Sep 22, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    This is a very solid putter and has multiple alignments that you can fine tune what fits your eye . I putted with the Two ball blade for ten years and switched . I love the comments from high handicappers that don’t know good golf . Great putter !!! Great price

  8. Fr

    Sep 22, 2017 at 12:02 pm

    The reason why it APPEARS that the market has shrunk is because there are too many darned putters that suck! And too many new ones that don’t do anything special. So people just wait and buy a decent used one for less than half price, and that’s fine with them. Ugly contraptions like these are not going to help. Going back to clean, simple, no frills type putter will be better

    • o.b.

      Sep 22, 2017 at 4:37 pm

      Gearheads are suckers for new, shiny, fancy clubs and putters. It’s all they live for because they don’t play golf because that would scratch up their awesome WITB. Also these gizmo putters become something to talk about with the other guys and shoeing off their new toy.

      • obdumdum

        Sep 23, 2017 at 5:17 pm

        You are truly a fool!

      • Rich Douglas

        Sep 24, 2017 at 9:18 am

        Stereotype much? And on a website dedicated to golf equipment, no less.
        >>>

        I am grateful not to have such ugliness lurking inside me.

  9. AC

    Sep 22, 2017 at 11:53 am

    With all the contraptions, shapes and adjustments, do they come with instructions on how to use them? At the outrageous prices they ask they should, otherwise they are only fancy toys.

    • Rich Douglas

      Sep 22, 2017 at 9:23 pm

      My (original) Happy Putter came with instructions. It also came with an app I put on my iPhone. But it is totally easy to adjust, using the same kind of torque wrench you use on your adjustable driver. (Same fittings; I carry just the one wrench for both.)

      I don’t know if the latest generation putters come with instructions or an app, but neither is really necessary to make the desired adjustments.

      The adjustment I make the most is loft. I don’t touch the sideweights, off-set, or lie angle. I experiment once in awhile–shifting the weights when I’m either pushing or pulling puts. But you have to think about loft each time you go to the golf course. I use lower loft for faster greens and higher loft for fuzzy ones. (There is also a neutral loft.)

      Yeah, it’s for gearheads. But it’s perfect for them!

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Wunder: I’ve hit THESE new drivers this year…and this is what I think

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During this lockdown, I have done quite a few “Friday Q & A’s” on my IG, and one of the questions I get asked constantly is “have you hit this?” That, and “whaddya think?”

So, in the spirit of organizing my brain, it seemed like the right time to share what new drivers I have actually hit this year…and this is what I think.

Now, it needs to be said that there is a lot of new gear out there, but, to be honest, I’ve only actually hit a select few enough to actually build an opinion. “Enough” in this case is at least 20 balls. Some of these sticks I tested during our pre-launch preview with the OEMs, at the PGA show, a friend has one, or I actually have it in the bag.

Here we go.

TaylorMade SIM

Setup tested: SIM 9 @8.25 w/ Mitsubishi Chemical Kuro Kage XTS 70TX

LOOKS: The best way to describe how SIM looks behind the ball is “comfortable.” TaylorMade has always made drivers that just look correct. The lines are clean, the shape inspires playability, and I dig the paint job. They hit a home run with this one for sure.

FEEL: Best sound out there in my opinion. Heavy, dense, and if you get one dead-nuts center, it lets you know. The feel at contact is just as TaylorMade drivers have always done, center strikes feel like Thor’s hammer and mishits don’t kill your good vibes.

VS THE M5: I get asked this a lot. I loved the M5. Still do. To be honest the two drivers data wise were legit apples to apples. The only difference is my stock shot with M5 was a low spin straight ball and with SIM its a slight draw with a touch more spin and slightly lower launch. I prefer that.

OVERALL: In my opinion, the TaylorMade SIM is the cool kid in high school for 2020. Last year it was F9 followed closely by M5. TM knocked it outta the park on this one.

TaylorMade SIM Max

Setup tested: Sim Max 9 @8.25 w/ Mitsubishi Chemical Kuro Kage XTS 70TX

LOOKS: It has a bit more of a longer face at address, which makes the head appear shallow which inspires a bit more confidence to turn it over. That’s the main thing I noticed with MAX. Other than that its a tried and true TM shape.

FEEL: Like its sibling, it has a nice solid hit audibly at the impact. So, overall its apples to apples with SIM. However, due to the front weight missing on the MAX, the actual strike doesn’t feel AS meaty as SIM. Not a negative necessarily just something I noticed.

VS M6: Both of these sticks I launched a bit too high versus the weighted versions. That’s why they never got any serious consideration to actually put in play.

OVERALL: As a high launch, more forgiving option, it’s an ace.

Callaway Mavrik Sub Zero

Setup tested: Sub Zero 9 w/ Mitsubishi Chemical Tensei Blue AV 65TX

LOOKS: To my eyes, the newer versions of the Callaway drivers have looked a bit more compact than its competition. To me, this always looked “low spin” for whatever reason. The Mavrik has the same shape which is good.

FEEL: They really fixed the sound. The Epic Flash sounded like a pop can to me, and the Mavrik Sub Zero sounds like a sledgehammer. The good thing here is the sound now matches up with what the hit feels like. I think the Mavrik is the best feeling driver Callaway has made since Epic.

VS EPIC FLASH SZ: To me, a complete improvement on all fronts. Sound, feel, and performance for me were all substantially better. Now I must say that the Epic Flash Sub Zero was a great driver, I always got great numbers out of it, but the sound took me out of it. I’m sure there isn’t that much difference audibly between the two, but in this game, even something minor can represent so much. Sound to me is huge.

OVERALL: In all honestly, I haven’t given a Callaway driver a real hard look to actually put in the bag since Epic. The sound got louder wit Rogue and Epic Flash. The Mavrik SZ  however is a fantastic driver and will def get some more testing out of me.

Cobra SpeedZone

Setup tested: Cobra Speed Zone 9 @8.5 w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 7X

LOOKS: The F9 was a winner on all fronts. The only critique I had was optically it looked like the driver was a little too fade biased. The SZ with its milled in top line gives it softer look at address and for me, softer lines mean more workability, just what my eyes tell me.

FEEL: As with F9 and the earlier mentioned SIM, the Speed Zone sounds EXACTLY how a driver should sound. It has a very heavy hit audibly and that’s across the face. I love the sound of this driver.

VS F9: Apples to apples, it’s the same. Beyond the optics, it feels, sounds, and performs like the F9. Not a bad thing though, the F9 was the driver of 2019 in my opinion.

OVERALL: Nothing wrong with repeating an already awesome driver. SpeedZone will stand up to anything out there. If I’m being fair, I think F9 elevated things in 2019, and this year the competition caught up to it. Changes nothing about how good this driver is.

Cobra Speed Zone Xtreme

Setup tested: Cobra Speed Zone Xtreme 9 @8.5 w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 7X

LOOKS: Like the other drivers in this higher MOI category, it looks a little longer heel to toe.

FEEL: No different than the SpeedZone, sounds great, the impact is solid across the face, and even thin shots feel solid.

OVERALL: The Xtreme is the sleeper hit of 2020 and I’ve heard the fitters love this thing. It’s by far the easiest to hit and overall good time of any driver on this list. Is it longer? No. But is it Xtremely (no pun) playable and competitive? Hard yes. It’s a blast.

PXG Proto

Setup tested: PXG Proto 9 w/ Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 6 TX

LOOKS: Slick. Like all PXG gear, the look is there. The matte crown and elegant lines make it very pleasing optically. I also appreciate that although it’s designed to look high tech. The lines inspire playability, and who doesn’t love a driver that looks like a stealth bomber?

FEEL: I only hit about 20 balls with the PXG Proto in the short time I had with it, but, wow, did this thing surprise me. The sound oddly enough is a bit higher-pitched than the others on the list but for whatever reason, it’s not a distraction. It actually adds to the experience of the hit. I typically detest that, but this sound matched up with the solid hit I was getting. I’m not sure if this is the final version since its a limited tour proto but what is happening is definitely interesting.

VS GEN2: It’s just better. Feels better, sounds great, more playable across the face. The Gen2 did one thing better than everyone else, it destroyed spin. The problem I had was control. The PXG Proto is still low spin but with the new 4 weight system (no intel on the tech yet) seems to add quality launch to the low spin profile and puts the player in a situation where very few to any sacrifices are made.

OVERALL: I was a fan of Gen2. No doubt. But it never flat out beat M5, F9, or SIM. The Proto has elevated PXG’s driver game. I don’t think its a matter of whether or not the driver stands up with the irons, I believe PXG is on the right track to having a driver that eliminates any “yeah, but…” to the conversation. That’s a huge leap since Gen1. These guys are trending hard.

I hope this was helpful.

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What GolfWRXers are saying about the final version of Bryson DeChambeau’s LA Golf ‘Texas Rebar’ wedge shafts

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In our forums, our members have been discussing the final version of Bryson DeChambeau’s LA Golf ‘Texas Rebar’ wedge shafts. The look of the ultra-stiff shafts, which originated from Bryson wanting a “graphite shaft that was stiffer than the Dynamic Gold X7″, has impressed our members who have been praising the final version and sharing their thoughts on the concept.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • QuigleyDU: “Awesome.”
  • My2dogs: “Really coming out with some great new stuff.”
  • HateTheHighDraw: “MMT 125TX are absolute fire, but these must be much stiffer.”
  • Robkingasu: “Sweet!”

Entire Thread: “Bryson DeChambeau’s LA Golf ‘Texas Rebar’ wedge shafts”

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Should I move to heavier iron shafts? – GolfWRXers have their say

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In our forums, our members have been discussing the strategy of moving to heavier shafts in irons. WRXer ‘Z1ggy16’ has been making swing changes lately, and the transition has been most challenging for his iron play. ‘Ziggy16’ says:

“Been making some swing changes lately, most notably working to really shallow my club into the downswing. I’m finding that I’m doing this well with my heavy wedge shafts and driver, but I’m struggling a bit in my irons. My strike pattern with my wedges is pretty good, but the irons are a bit all over. Driver is 80g raw, wedges are 132g raw, irons 120g raw. I don’t think I want to go any stiffer, but is there a chance I’ve “outgrown” this weight and need to move to something a bit heavier to help keep these feels going through my set? No idea what swing speed is at this point, but my 7i is normally a smooth/comfortable 175-180 for me.

I really like the feel of my Accra Tour Z Xtreme 475 and my S400’s in the GW-LW. I’m kind of leaning maybe soft stepping modus 120TX or X100’s.. Heck maybe even S200 straight in? Normally I’d just get a fitting, but with Rona still going around, I’m not than keen on it. 2020 is the year of the self fit for me. FWIW, I used modus 120TX 2xSS in my GW & SW last year and that was pretty good feeling. Perhaps a touch too soft… they seemed to really whip/bend hard when hitting from the rough on full swings.”

Our members discuss whether they feel a switch to heavier shafts in the irons will have the desired impact.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • Pepperturbo: “You’re not alone. Regardless of age, some of us swing better with heavier shafts. I went from 70g driver and 85g 3wd graphite shafts to 58g Ventus shaft in driver and 70g Ventus shaft in 4wd. In irons went from 130g X to 120g 6.0 PX steel shafts which lasted about fifteen years. Then last year made another downward weight change to Steelfiber (steel & graphite) 110g Stiff shafts, lightest I have ever played. Keep in mind as you transition, changing shaft weight is not the only answer. Increasing swing weight can make up for shaft weight. Though I really like them in 6-3i, not thrilled in SW-7i, so just ordered heavier Steelfiber i125g shafts for my PW-7i blades.”
  • Jeff58: “As someone who has gone through and continues to work on what sounds like a similar situation, your ideal iron shafts will likely change. Where they change to isn’t possible to predict with any degree of accuracy. Don’t change your current irons without knowing. It’s frustrating, expensive, and you won’t have any clubs while they’re being changed out. Instead, get a single club from dealsandsteals or similar and experiment with that. Also, the only relevant experience is outdoors under your actual turf conditions. Indoor and mat use can be grossly different.”
  • Red4282: “Just depends on your tempo and load and preferences tbh. My numbers are about identical to yours; I play 77g in the driver and 125 in the irons. I don’t think I could go lighter than 125.”
  • gvogel: “I have a set of hickory clubs. Of course, hickory shafts are darn heavy, maybe 150 grams or so. I probably hit straighter shots with the irons, and particularly hit better shots with the niblick (wedge). Driver and fairway woods, not so much. That might be a stupid insertion into an intelligent thread, but heavier goes straighter, lighter goes longer. You can go heavier, and it helps in transition, but don’t go too stiff.”

Entire Thread: “Should I switch to heavier iron shafts?”

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