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Jordan Spieth-Dustin Johnson duel deserved better choice of playoff hole, players say

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The Jordan Spieth-Dustin Johnson duel at The Northern Trust was very exciting. No doubt about it. The conclusion was a bit unfortunate, however, owing to the choice of playoff hole.

You can see the lines Dustin Johnson and Jordan Spieth took off the tee in this tweet from Ian Poulter.

Poulter calls the choice of hole a “shame,” and he’s right. Johnson learned his lesson from missing the fairway right in regulation and having to lay up. He wasn’t going to make that mistake again, and instead he unleashed a howitzer, cutting the corner on a line more aggressive than Poulter with the block button on Twitter.

DJ piped his drive 341 yards. Spieth hit an excellent, 300-yard-plus drive, but was unable to take the same line.

Look, there’s an element of “you should never put the game in the ref’s hands” here. Spieth didn’t play as well as Johnson Sunday, as evidenced by, you know, their scores. Spieth shot 69. DJ shot 66.

That said, the 18th hole does offer the biggest bombers a massive advantage if they can clear the water. And it’s not really “risk-reward,” because as long as DJ makes decent contact, he carries the water. Maybe he’s in the rough, but he’s still garnered said massive advantage for his second shot. You shouldn’t hit a drive 315 yards and find yourself facing a 180-plus yard approach while your opponent is looking at a baby wedge.

Proceeding from the standpoint that a poor golf course advantages only one type of player, you can certainly make the case (as pros did) that the 18th was a poor choice of playoff hole.

And yes, Johnson still had to hit the wedge. Heck, he had to hit the booming drive under pressure. But the idea of playoff hole selection is generally to pick a fairly benign hole that affords a birdie opportunity. Right?

Looking at the course map, the teebox at No. 10 (a mid-level difficulty, 445-yard par 4) would have been an even shorter commute than the 18th tee. Of course, the fans were already in place at No. 18, so you’d assume that was the tournament organizers’ guiding factor in the decision.

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  1. dgm

    Sep 6, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    I am a little late, but… A par on 6 and 9 in the final round would have put JS at -16 on the 72nd tee. DJ would not even have been in the picture. DJ may have hit that drive on the 72nd hole to see if he could rattle JS into making a mistake, but I doubt that would have ended in JS carding a triple bogey. Letting DJ back in it was the problem, not the choice of playoff hole, nor his driving distance. JS knows this. So does Poulter, he just hasn’t been in that position in recent memory so he may have forgotten.

  2. Jacked_Loft

    Sep 2, 2017 at 10:21 am

    JS could have hit a draw and cut about 25-30 yards off his second shot. If he had just taken a more agressive line he would have been closer.

  3. Harry

    Aug 31, 2017 at 6:39 am

    The issue with the design of 18 is that by hitting over the water, a 26 yard difference in shit distance becomes almost 100 yards with the big turn of the fairway. Kudos to DJ for playing it so well, but on most any hole with a modest turn the 26 yard difference wouldn’t amount to that much.

  4. Jeffrey

    Aug 31, 2017 at 3:25 am

    Thing with golf is you put a number down on the score card, not draw a map.

  5. Mike

    Aug 30, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    I love Eriks comment , ” all he had to do was hit it in the middle of the club more or less”. Play many tournaments my friend. Ever gone to a play off with you whole team watching. Just get the ball in the centre more or less, no sweat. Do not underestimate the skill these guy have

  6. Robert Parsons

    Aug 30, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    Nobody complained back in the day when Tiger’s length won him tournaments…

    And this was NOT DJ’s best line this year. It was right before the Masters. He took on a big line and missed the stairs altogether. Party on DJ!

  7. dwp

    Aug 30, 2017 at 9:54 am

    hey Poulter. Should they also have no par threes over water so Spieth can stop dunking it under pressure

  8. Jack Nash

    Aug 30, 2017 at 9:53 am

    Waa, waa, waa. There are a number of Pros who could hit that tee shot, but DJ had the nutz to take it on. The whiners are pathetic. The majority of Tourney playoff holes always go back to 18. BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE THE FANS ARE! Ffs.

  9. Jimmy Ray

    Aug 30, 2017 at 8:54 am

    I was at the 18th green for the last 2 hours on Sunday. Over those 2 hours…there were 2 birdies on that green, all from below the hole (see Jon Rahm). Anyone juicing it over the green, especially into the fringe, had no chance, most blowing it by the hole, until DJ laid up and put that wedge above the hole. THAT PUTT on 18 was impossible, super slick, breaking hard R to L, with JS sitting at 3 feet for a tap in win. That putt won the tourney, not the playoff drive. I could have headed to the car early after that putt. Seems like everyone is forgetting it.

  10. Mbwa Kali Sana

    Aug 30, 2017 at 8:45 am

    It’s JOE LOUIS against MAX SCHMELING a gain Who had the better punch ?
    JORDAN SPIETH is a good looking young and promising player but he’s nô match for DJ.
    Only is super putting abilities keep him going !
    His long game is just so so !
    His footwork is flawed : look at his left foot flipping over at the end of the throughswing .

  11. Vancouver Mellencamp

    Aug 29, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    They should have let Spieth play from the forward tees, right guys? What a joke. DJ outplayed him all day and made that bomb on 18 in regulation. He went out and did it.

  12. matt_bear

    Aug 29, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    Jordan is an athletic 24 year old male standing like 6’2″ 200 lbs and competing in a sporting contest. Why does this article even exist? I highly doubt Spieth is even thinking about this.

  13. Dave

    Aug 29, 2017 at 11:59 am

    Like the tournament committee knew there was going to be a playoff before the tourney started and that it would be Speith and DJ in it. These things are decided BEFORE the toruney starts!

  14. james

    Aug 29, 2017 at 11:44 am

    So says Ian Poulter……Will this guy ever shut up…….How did he get involved in this in the first place…He really needs to work on his game and leave the key board alone if he wants to be relevant in the outcome of PGA tour events whether there is a playoff involved or not.

  15. Boss

    Aug 29, 2017 at 11:01 am

    Jordan shouldn’t have been in the play-off, how about that.
    There was nothing wrong with that hole. So DJ took advantage with his power. End of.

  16. Erik

    Aug 29, 2017 at 10:29 am

    It’s a bad hole. DJ pointed out in interview that the wind shifted so he was able to carry water.
    He bypassed the hole, the risk/reward idea with hole was no longer there. His landing area was actually bigger then JS. All he had to hit was the middle of the club more or less.

    • Oppai

      Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 am

      Takes skill to hit the middle of the face and ride the wind and keep it in play at the speed he swings

  17. moses

    Aug 29, 2017 at 9:28 am

    AND if DJ would’ve dunked it all these whiners would have nothing to say. Risk Reward cough cough.

  18. Tcann32

    Aug 29, 2017 at 9:09 am

    Were they supposed to pick a hole with a completely flat green so that DJ would have a equal odds on the green?

    Golf evens itself out. DJ can hit it further, and took the chance to get a huge advantage on the 18th, but in general, Jordan’s putting brings him back to even with DJ’s length. If the two were both on the green, and Jordan was 10′ further out than DJ, I’d still pick Jordan to make the putt.

  19. xjohnx

    Aug 29, 2017 at 8:36 am

    Any fan of the game would almost pay to see a DJ/Spieth playoff at any tournament on any hole. That’s about as good as it gets these days and it was exciting to watch regardless of the outcome. I see all the points here and won’t really try to argue one side or the other but, it’s always been my understanding that a playoff scenario is determined well in advance. To think that they should have planned to make sure, as Poulter put it, the five guys in the field wouldn’t have an advantage would just be silly to begin with. You’re always going to get more attention on something involving the game’s biggest name but, let’s be honest here, if DJ beat someone like Branden Grace or Adam Hadwin in the same fashion, no one would care.

  20. MDH

    Aug 29, 2017 at 7:56 am

    I don’t know what I am missing here. This is golf, players play holes holes differently throughout the round based on their skill set. Correct me if I’m wrong, but general playoff protocol is to go back to 18 for the first hole of sudden death, why should this be different? If 18 was a par 5, would that be unfair because DJ can get home easier than Jordan? Or if it’s a par 3 is it unfair because DJ is hitting one less club than Jordan? Johnson took advantage of his length, that’s golf, oh well. Jordan had plenty of opportunities to not let this go to a playoff. The fact PGA tour players would complain about this blows my mind.

  21. DJ

    Aug 28, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    If Johnson mis-hits the slightest bit, he’s in the water. He said in post round conf, that the wind changed direction which helped. Let’s blame the wind and not the hole. No matter what hole you use, Johnson has the length advantage. That was one of the best playoffs there has been. That was the two players we wanted to see at Chambers Bay on a Monday 18 hole playoff.

  22. Holly Sonders

    Aug 28, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    All of you trolls have clearly no understand of golf course architecture. This hole was abysmal. There is no risk/reward a long hitter. All he had to do was make contact. Would be totally fine with the hole if there was more water or a tighter fairway. However when a hole gets wider the farther it goes, it is counter-intuitive. All fairways should look like a funnel. Punishing longer hitters that hit it off-line and rewarding those that hit it straighter, regardless of distance.

    • Scott

      Aug 29, 2017 at 9:26 am

      All he had to do was make contact and hit it 315 yards in the air? That’s it? Well, I guess I will need to change my game so that is all I need to do. Jordan missed enough putts and had enough chances to win. Too bad for him.

    • Donald Quixote

      Aug 29, 2017 at 12:11 pm

      So if it is SOOOOO easy for the long hitter to just hit that fairway then how was it DJ had to lay up on the 18th in regulation. No risk/reward… If he catches that ball thin … water… High on the face… water… huge cut… having to lay up again. Sounds like a bunch of people jealous of DJ being able to hit the long ball.

  23. Jerry/SwingMan

    Aug 28, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    Spieth blew it early with the double bogey. The putt on the 72nd hole for DJ won the tournament because he was going to end this quickly with his distance – fair? Sudden death in the NFL is not fair. Neither was the choice of this hole if we’re talking fairness. But we’re not talking fairness. It’s golf.

  24. Travis

    Aug 28, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    This is the dumbest thing I’ve read. Every golf tournament plays 18 twice, then goes to 10 or something like that. It’s just the way it’s done. NOBODY complained about the 18th hole all week, and nobody complained about it the first time Spieth and DJ played it…

    This argument is the same as saying the PGA Tour should NEVER play holes that favor someone who can hit it a long way. It’s the name of the game, stop complaining. Jim Furyk is one of the shorter hitters in the game, and he’s shot 59 and 58 on Tour.

    It’s hilarious how these angry tweets are coming from two guys (Poulter and Bryan) who average 280y and 282y off the tee (per PGA Tour statistics). I don’t see anyone in the Top-10 or Top-20 in driving distance complaining about it?

    Everyone loves to watch DJ bomb drivers. Yet, when it comes to him using his length as an advantage to win a golf tournament, now people are upset?! Give me a break…

    • Eric

      Aug 28, 2017 at 5:16 pm

      Not every playoff starts on the 18th, stop spouting ignorance. The Players tournament for example has 17th as the first playoff hole, there are PLENTY OF OTHER tournaments that don’t start on 18th on a playoff. If you’re going to criticize something at least know wtf you’re talking about.

    • Eric

      Aug 28, 2017 at 5:19 pm

      More recently, Quail Hollow was going to use the aggregate format of the 10th, 17th and 18th hole for playoffs. Really, you have no clue what you’re talking about.

      • mike

        Aug 29, 2017 at 7:41 am

        pga championship has always had a 3 hole playoff that works back to finish on 18, not really the same as a regular tour event. masters will always start at 10, us open is 18 holes, and the open is 4 holes.

        • Brian McGranahan

          Aug 29, 2017 at 7:57 am

          The Masters starts it’s playoff on 18.

          • jack

            Aug 29, 2017 at 2:45 pm

            and 18 at the Masters is a terrible hole too…

    • Travis

      Aug 29, 2017 at 1:13 pm

      LOL

      Okay, sorry that I was mistaken by saying “every tournament”, clearly that was an exaggeration that everyone used to say I have “no clue” or I’m “ignorant”, yet nobody addressed any of my other points.

      Players play every single hole differently to their strengths and weaknesses, and over 72 holes both DJ and Spieth had equal opportunity to win the tournament as they sat even at -13 under. Spieth had a 5 shot lead at one point, so he clearly blew the tournament all on his own.

      Saying the playoff is unfair is saying golf in general is unfair. What’s do you want tournament committees to do? Evaluate every player that makes the playoff and collectively decide the “most fair hole” for the bunch to go play? This stuff is decided well ahead of the tournament, and if the playoff players were different we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. If DJ did what he did the first time they played 18, everyone would be talking about how he used his length as an advantage to close it out on the 72nd hole and dominate Spieth, but because it was in a playoff now it’s a bad thing?!?!

  25. blah

    Aug 28, 2017 at 12:36 pm

    Not risk/reward? DJ took a normal line in all 4 rounds and only decided to hit that in the playoffs. If it was a no brainer, he would have cut the water every time. You can’t treat golf as a sport then cry when someone has a physical advantage over you.

  26. Dat

    Aug 28, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    Yeah no. Spieth can’t keep up with the longest hitter and it showed. If you can hit it a mile and manage a good approach, putting doesn’t even matter. Welcome to new golf. Haters gonna hate.

  27. nyguy

    Aug 28, 2017 at 10:56 am

    Doesn’t matter what hole, spieth will play it the slowest on tour…LOL god that guy needs to speed it up.

  28. Jk

    Aug 28, 2017 at 10:42 am

    Slow news day? This is stupid. Maybe they should’ve picked the hole with the hardest green so Jordan would 1-putt and dj would 3 putt? Virtually every golf tournament in the world picks the 18th as the playoff hole. The fact that it suits one guy’s game is simply chance. Run of the green. Great tournament for both guys.

  29. i bogey alot

    Aug 28, 2017 at 10:34 am

    so what are they supposed to do , pick a hole to fit spieth because he is the golden child! DJ out drives jordan on every hole! this is so funny they are whining about the hole choice

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Billy Horschel, Brandel Chamblee battle on Twitter re: Tiger’s swing

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Yes, friends, Billy Horschel and Brandel Chamblee traded barbs on Twitter. And while the specific issue, Tiger Woods’ swing, gets the headline, it’s worth noting that Horschel questioned the Golf Channel analyst’s ability to, well, analyze, more broadly.

Before getting to Chamblee’s latest bit of hornet’s nest kicking, it’s worth examining Horschel’s point: As Chamblee is “a ghost on the range,” and doesn’t talk to players about their swings or coaches about what they’re trying to get their players to do, Horschel doesn’t believe he’s qualified to talk about current player swings.

That’s a bold claim, but it’s one that’s almost certainly echoed by many of Horschel’s fellow PGA Tour pros. It’s certainly the way Tiger Woods, who by all accounts despises Chamblee and has lobbied behind the scenes for the analyst’s firing, feels.

Anyway, onto the exchange. Chamblee, not surprisingly, feels Woods’ action before the advent of Trackman. This is, of course, a moot point as Woods himself stated firmly his left knee issues made his early 2000s swing unsustainable. Regardless, Chamblee decided to tell his followers to emulate Woods’ early 2000s action and stay away from his “Trackman drunk” Foley-era swing.

Then, well, you don’t need play-by-play…

Nice to see Chamblee was able to work in his callback “lift your left heel.” A lot to unpack here, WRXers. What do you think?

 

(credit to Golf.com for the screenshotting)

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Who’s the best golfer without a major right now?

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In this week’s episode of “Yo, GolfWRX?!” equipment expert Brian Knudson and Editor Andrew Tursky cover a wide variety of topics including Grayson Murray vs. Bernhard Langer, Breakfast Balls and Tiger Woods rumors. Also, who’s currently the best player without a major?

Watch the video below to see their answers:

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Sergio Garcia is playing Callaway equipment, but he’s not a staffer (yet)

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As we reported last month, Sergio Garcia and TaylorMade ended their 15-year relationship. And as the GolfWRX forums have been speculating, Garcia will play Callaway equipment at the DP World Tour Championship this week.

However, as ESPN reports, Garcia and Callaway are yet to reach an agreement — and it doesn’t seem that an arrangement is imminent. All Garcia was willing to concede was Callaway’s leader-of-the-pack status.

“At the moment it’s the company that’s in front of the other ones,” Garcia said. “What we’ve been testing, the numbers have been really good with the balls that Callaway has brought to me. Now it’s just a matter of trying it on the golf course and trying it in tournament play, and seeing how it reacts and seeing how it feels.”

The decision to test the potential clubs he’s signing on to play in competition is a wise one, certainly.

Garcia’s remarks about parting ways with TMag, however, were a bit curious.

“It wasn’t only my decision,” Garcia said. “I spent 15 years with TaylorMade but unfortunately things come to an end. All companies change and the politics with TaylorMade have changed after leaving Adidas. We couldn’t come to an agreement. I understand that it’s also difficult when you have so many top players, to keep all of them. Unfortunately we were in that package.”

Politics? Package? What exactly went down? We’d have to assume Garcia was trying to leverage his major victory and strong season for a bigger piece of the sponsorship dollar pie. His remarks seem to suggest, however, TMag wasn’t willing to give him as much pie as he was asking for.

We’ll get you Garcia’s full Callaway WITB as soon as we have it.

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