Equipment
Review: Callaway GBB Epic and Epic Sub Zero Drivers
Update (January 17, 2017): Launch monitor data added from #TheWRX, a group of eight GolfWRX Members who visited Callaway HQ to be fit for the GBB Epic and GBB Epic Sub Zero drivers.
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“We’ve changed pretty much everything with the way we’ve made this driver,” says Alan Hocknell, Callaway’s Senior Vice President of Research and Development. And even a cursory glance reveals that a lot has changed with Callaway’s new GBB Epic and GBB Epic Sub Zero drivers.
The GBB Epic
Callaway has been adding carbon fiber to its driver designs for more than a decade, using the material to make lighter and lighter crowns that have steadily improved the performance of new models. This year, the company brought carbon fiber to the soles of its drivers, a shift as dramatic as each driver’s vibrant green highlights. According to Callaway, more than 50 percent of the Epic and Epic Sub Zero drivers are made from carbon fiber.
The marquee technology for both the Epic and Epic Sub Zero, however, is something golfers can’t see. It’s called Jailbreak, a structure of two parallel titanium rods located behind the club face that connect the sole and crown. The rods serve to stiffen the crown and sole so they don’t flex as much at impact, Callaway says, which allows the club face of the drivers to flex more and return more energy to the ball. More energy means more ball speed and more distance, and Callaway is claiming an improvement of up to 2 mph in its player testing.
Because of the added carbon fiber, internal titanium rods and many more changes, Hocknell says it takes twice as many steps and twice as long (roughly 7-10 days) to manufacture the Epic and Epic Sub Zero drivers. The payoff? The structural changes to the Epic improve its total moment of inertia, a measure of ball speed retention on mishits, to an impressive 8000 g/cm². That’s 20 percent higher than the MOI of the Great Big Bertha, the driver the Epic replaces in Callaway’s lineup.
The GBB Epic Sub Zero
The Epic Sub Zero, according to Callaway, is even more forgiving. It has an MOI that’s almost 8500 g/cm², making it a unicorn in today’s driver market. Generally, deeper-face drivers like the Epic Sub Zero are less forgiving than their shallower-face counterparts. Evan Gibbs, Callaway’s Manager of Performance Analysis, says he expects the Epic Sub Zero to be far more popular than Callaway’s Alpha 816 DBD, the driver it replaces in the company’s lineup, because of its added forgiveness, both at retailers and among PGA Tour players.
The biggest difference between the drivers, other than their shaping, is their adjustability systems, which target two distinct groups of golfers.
The Epic has a sliding weight track located on back edge of its sole. It sits lower than it did on the Great Big Bertha, and is also shorter, which helps the driver retain a maximum amount of forgiveness regardless of what setting is used. Even though the track is shorter, its heavier sliding weight (17 grams) actually gives golfers a wider range of draw/fade bias.
Callaway calls the Epic its “most draw-capable driver,” and even in its neutral setting it exhibits a light amount of draw bias. Golfers who don’t fight a slice, however, can easily make the Epic a truly neutral or even a fade-biased driver by moving its sliding weight toward its toe. So if golfers have a one-way miss and want to alleviate it with a driver setting, the Epic is most likely going to be the best new Callaway driver for them.
Those who don’t need help straightening out their trajectory may see better performance from the Epic Sub Zero, which is designed to help golfers squeeze every last yard out of their drives by optimizing launch conditions. It uses two weights — 12 and 2 grams — to allow golfers to move the driver’s center of gravity forward to reduce spin or rearward to improve consistency.
The Test
To test the performance of Callaway’s new Epic and Epic Sub Zero drivers, I went to the Ely Callaway Performance Center (Carlsbad, Calif.) to compare them to their predecessors. I hit between 5-10 shots with each driver and tested the GBB Epic Sub Zero in its two settings (heavy-weight forward, or “WF,” and heavy-weight back, or “WB”). Obvious mishits were removed from the data.
Each driver was tested with the same shaft on Trackman 4, and I hit Callaway Chrome Soft (2016) golf balls. To ensure as much of an apples-to-apples comparison as possible, each of the four driver heads was also digitally lofted and weighed prior to the test to make sure each was as close to 9 degrees and a D3 swing weight as possible.
The Results
In my testing, the Epic offered the most distance and ball speed of the four drivers tested, but just barely. It produced +0.4 mph more ball speed on average than the Alpha 816 DBD, and +0.3 yards more total distance.
I must admit, I expected to see bigger differences between the Epic, the Epic Sub Zero and the Alpha 816 DBD. After all, the Epic Sub Zero is said to have a whopping 43 percent higher MOI than the Alpha 816 DBD it replaces. Ultimately, the biggest problem with the Epic and the Epic Sub Zero in testing was how well I hit the Alpha 816 DBD. For whatever reason, I rarely missed the screws with the Alpha 816 DBD… and still the Epic edged it.
Both during the testing and my fitting the day prior, I was incredibly impressed with the forgiveness of the Epic. Even mishits approached 170 mph in ball speed, and when they landed they were closer to the target line that I would have predicted from the strike.
My results weren’t quite as good with the Epic Sub Zero, but it was a great driver on the whole for #TheWRX, a group of eight GolfWRX Members who were selected to visit Callaway HQ and be fit for the driver. In their fittings for either an Epic or Epic Sub Zero driver, they saw an average gain of 11.675 yards of total distance (carry + roll) compared to their gamer driver, which is incredible.
See the breakdowns of their Trackman number below.
#TheWRX Results
Related: Full Coverage of #TheWRX
With the Epic Sub Zero, I especially struggled with heavy-weight forward setting, which creates a flatter trajectory that can boost distance for high-spin golfers. Ultimately, the setting did what it was designed to do, lowering spin by nearly 200 rpm compared to the heavy-weight-back setting, matching Callaway’s claims. The bad news; it also lowered my ball speeds and widened my dispersion, which is typical of any driver when CG is moved forward.
Callaway representatives predict the vast majority of golfers who are a fit for the Epic Sub Zero will be better served by its heavy-weight-back setting, which enhances forgiveness. They’ll still be in the minority, however, as Callaway estimates that roughly 70 percent of golfers will be better served by the Epic.
The Takeaway
Based on my initial testing, as well as the testing of GolfWRX Members, it’s safe to say that most golfers should see at least the small ball speed gains I did with the Epic or Epic Sub Zero when comparing it to older Callaway drivers. And many will see bigger gains, particularly if they’re coming from a driver that’s two or more years old.
The GBB Epic and GBB Epic Sub Zero (both $499.99) will be in stores January 27. Learn more from Callaway’s website.
Specs
- Lofts: Epic (9, 10.5, 13HT), Epic Sub Zero (9, 10.5)
- Head Size: Both 460 cubic centimeters
- Stock Length: Both 45.5 inches
- Stock Swing Weight: Epic (D3), Epic Sub Zero (D4)
- Stock Grip: Golf Pride New Decade Platinum
Shafts
- 40-gram range: MRC Diamana Greenboard (294 grams*)
- 50-gram range: Project X HZRDUS T800 Green (308 grams)
- 60-gram range: Fujikura Pro Green (313 grams)
- 70-gram range: Aldila Rogue Max (323 grams)
* Total weight (with stock head, shaft, grip)
Related
- See what GolfWRX Members are saying about Callaway’s GBB Epic and GBB Epic Sub Zero drivers and fairways.
- Callaway’s GBB Epic and Epic Sub Zero Fairway Woods: What you need to know
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Whats in the Bag
Daniel Berger WITB 2024 (April)
- Daniel Berger what’s in the bag accurate as of the Farmers Insurance Open. More photos from the event here.
Driver: Ping G430 LST (10.5 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X
3-wood: TaylorMade Qi10 (15 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 7 X
6-wood: TaylorMade Qi10 Tour (21 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 8 X
Irons: TaylorMade P770 (3), TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC 2011 (4-PW)
Shafts: Project X Denali Blue 105 TX (3), Project X 6.5 (4-PW)
Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM9 (50-12F), Titleist Vokey Design SM10 (56-14F), Callaway Jaws Raw (60-08C)
Shafts: Project X 6.5 (50), True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400 (56, 60)
Putter: Odyssey Ai-One Jailbird Mini DB
Grip: SuperStroke Zenergy PistolLock 1.0
Grips: Golf Pride Tour Wrap
Ball: Titleist Pro V1
Check out more in-hand photos of Daniel Berger’s clubs in the forums.
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Equipment
Heavy Artillery: A look at drivers in play at the Zurich Classic of New Orleans
What are the driver and shaft combinations of the best golfers in the world? For gearheads, it’s an endlessly interesting question — even if we can only ever aspire to play LS heads and 7 TX shafts.
At this week’s Zurich Classic of New Orleans, GolfWRX got in-hand looks at the driver setups of a wealth of players.
Check out some of the most interesting combos below, then head to the GolfWRX forums for the rest, as well as the rest of our galleries from New Orleans.
Rory McIlroy
Driver: TaylorMade Qi10 (9 degrees @8.25)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X
Grip: Golf Pride MCC
Alex Fitzpatrick
Driver: Ping G430 LST (10.5 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X
Grip: Golf Pride MCC
Daniel Berger
Driver: Ping G430 LST (10.5 degrees @9)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X
Grip: Golf Pride Tour Wrap
Rasmus Hojgaard
Driver: Callaway Paradym Ai Smoke Triple Diamond (10.5 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei 1K Blue 60 TX
Grip: Golf Pride MCC
Alejandro Tosti
Driver: Srixon ZX5 Mk II LS (9.5 degrees @10.5)
Shaft: Project X HZRDUS T1100 75 6.5
Grip: Golf Pride MCC Plus4
James Nicholas
Driver: Titleist TSR3 (8 degrees, A1 SureFit setting)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X
Grip: Golf Pride Tour Velvet
Kevin Streelman
Driver: Titleist TSR3 (10 degrees, D1 SureFit setting)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus TR Black 6 X
Grip: Golf Pride Tour Velvet
Sang-moon Bae
Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple Diamond (9+ @8)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X
Grip: Golf Pride Tour Velvet
Russ Cochran
Driver: Callaway Paradym Ai Smoke (9 degrees)
Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD TP 6 X
Grip: Golf pride MCC Align
MJ Daffue
Driver: Callaway Paradym Ai Smoke Max (10.5 degrees @9.5)
Shaft: Project X HZRDUS Smoke Green RDX 65 TX
Grip: Golf Pride ZGrip Cord Align
Check our more photos from the Zurich Classic here.
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Whats in the Bag
Rasmus Højgaard WITB 2024 (April)
- Rasmus Højgaard what’s in the bag accurate as of the Zurich Classic.
Driver: Callaway Ai Smoke Triple Diamond (10.5 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei 1K Blue 60 TX
3-wood: Callaway Ai Smoke Triple Diamond Prototype (16.5 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei 1K White 80 TX
Utility: Callaway Apex UW (21 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV Raw White 85 TX
Irons: Callaway Apex Pro (3), Callaway X Forged (4-PW)
Shafts: KBS $-Taper 130
Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw (52-10S, 56-10S, 60-06C)
Shafts: KBS Tour 130 X
Putter: Odyssey Ai One Milled Eight T DB
Grips: Golf Pride MCC
Check out more in-hand photos of Hojgaard in the forums.
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Michael A Preiss
Feb 8, 2017 at 1:12 am
wow so many cheap, exper,t tour caliber players commenting here
Michael A Preiss
Feb 8, 2017 at 1:10 am
WOW! there are so many “experts” tour caliber players commenting here. and f-ing cheap ones
John McNeil
Jan 27, 2017 at 9:36 am
Hit these both last night with shafts that were available and was carrying a minimum of 20 yards further than M1 and M2 (2016, and 2017), 917 D2, 917 D3, Cobra F7, F7+. Now I just have to see how it matches up head to head with my 816 DBD although I already think I know. LOL
Resili
Jan 7, 2017 at 4:49 pm
Great information Zak.
I just bought a brand new BB Alpha 816 DBD and I hit it in the center of the face with great results. I’m glad to know that the EPIC is just as good.
Is it possible that the reason could be that the 816DBD has two tubes that connect the sole and the top of the head and have the same effect that the EPIC’s rods?
Thank you for your review.
dlgravett
Jan 7, 2017 at 11:10 am
I will be getting fit for one in the next week! I’m interested in seeing how much better it is than my razr extreme 8.5. Getting fit on a open range with trackman. Wish I could take sub zero down to 7. Any how I’m interested in seeing the difference from a $50 club bought used two years ago to the latest and greatest, same color, EPIC price, bar setter.
dlgravett
Jan 11, 2017 at 8:31 pm
So I had my fitting. The standard EPIC I could swing faster so I got better numbers than subzero. In comparison to my RAZR Extreme not much of a difference honestly. For the money the win goes to the RAZR Extreme. I flew a few 270 carry under 2k spin which was better, only just. Subzero felt little dull/heavy for my 105-8 swing speed but I’m sure faster swingers will hit it further than standard. Can’t wait to play the EPIC see if it gets better on the course.
Andrew Levy
Jan 5, 2017 at 9:25 pm
Maybe you should try and launch the ball higher and see what happens. It doesn’t seem like you have optimized your launch so the numbers don’t make a lot of sense.
Uhit
Jan 6, 2017 at 7:38 am
The most important thing in a comparison is consistency…
…and he was hitting all clubs obviously very consistent, with about the same numbers in regard of launch.
Thus, I consider this a good comparison.
However, he could achieve considerably more carry (for ALL drivers!) , if he would use a positive AoA…
…but if this causes inconsistency within his swing – then to do this would not make a lot of sense.
So, if all is said and done, he did his best for consistency – which means, he did his best for a fair comparison…
…and this is what I like to see.
Dill Pickelson
Jan 6, 2017 at 8:18 am
Duh. If I shoot a gun at the ground does that tell you anything? This was a terrible review. rick shiels is carrying it over 300y with a +aoa and his mind was blown. Hit the club properly not safely.
Lester Diamond
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:53 am
Safely is properly.
I would hate to see you work with power tools.
Uhit
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:59 am
Rick has sometimes a accuracy like a shotgun…
…which bullet should count, as representative?
B.t.w.:
Rick made, as far as I know, his longest drive with a M1 430…
…334 yards total distance…
But what does this mean for the consumer?
golfraven
Jan 5, 2017 at 4:04 pm
Let the “Epic” propaganda begin. Now that Rory and some new players are on board Cally just need to roll in the cash. Callaway begins to have a bad reputation in their product cycle I don’t even see from TM.
Epic Failure
Jan 5, 2017 at 11:32 am
Thank you.
yobo
Jan 5, 2017 at 1:56 am
Crossfield and Shiels make the club sound like the Sub Zero plays very well. Shame about the left over green paint from 100 years ago.
KK
Jan 5, 2017 at 12:05 am
Why does the Sub Zero spin more than the regular Epic? Hope this is an anomaly because it will be worthless if true for most of us.
Zak Kozuchowski
Jan 5, 2017 at 10:30 am
For me it did, KK, but many testers are seeing lower spin from the Sub Zero. Make sure to hit them both and see what works better. It’s not necessarily skill or speed dependent.
Sean
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:08 pm
Nicely done Zak. 🙂
Zak Kozuchowski
Jan 5, 2017 at 10:31 am
Thank you, Sean!
Mad-Mex
Jan 4, 2017 at 8:59 pm
Zak, how about a REAL LIFE test? You know, out to the range, hit it, measure distance with a laser or tape, dispersion,,,, even better!! a playing test, go out play 18 and see how it performs under real world situations! How much better is it than your old driver? And if you want to go rouge, give honest opinion weather its worth the money. This phrase “particularly if they’re coming from a driver that’s two or more years old.” could have easily been ” If your driver is less than two years old, don’t think it will be worth it for you”,,,
KK
Jan 5, 2017 at 12:02 am
Did no one ever tell you that course testing is horrible for driver vs driver comparisons? Have you heard of science? You want to control as many variables as possible in science. Or did you just want to live vicariously through Zak?
Mad-Mex
Jan 5, 2017 at 12:52 am
Am sorry, I thought I addressed my comment to Zak,,,,,
Dat
Jan 4, 2017 at 8:41 pm
Meh at best. Not at all worth the asking price. Good news is the GBB will now be under $250.
jgpl001
Jan 4, 2017 at 4:19 pm
Seems like we have reached a bit of a limit on ball speeds and ave distance….
Just saw a new 816 DBD with a Rouge Silver yesterday for €220….clearance of the model to make way for the new Epic, which seems anything but Epic!!
I know where I will be heading on Saturday morning with €220…..
Dave R
Jan 4, 2017 at 3:57 pm
I do realize that r@d costs are up but good god the prices of all products are beyond stupidy. Just wait new ones coming in the spring.
Cohenfive
Jan 4, 2017 at 1:18 pm
I look forward to buying one of these in about a year for $250 or less….
tlmck1234
Jan 4, 2017 at 1:49 pm
I look forward to getting mine from the 2nd hand store in about 3 years for less than $100. Just got a nearly new SLDR 430 for $69 bucks and it is awesome.
suhdude
Jan 4, 2017 at 1:13 pm
time for me to go yaw-yaw on the golf course, suhhhhh dude.
Archie
Jan 4, 2017 at 11:56 am
I was excited about the Epic but after some reading I don’t think it is an improvement over the current GBB which I have and really like!
Nd
Jan 4, 2017 at 11:09 am
Zak……… dude, you have 170 ball speeds yet you hit a 9 degree head to 7 degree launch? Stop hitting down on it so much, man! You’re wasting so much effort.
With that speed, you should dial it down to 8 and launch it at 17 degrees and hit it to 330.
Learn to hit up on it, dude.
That’s why you should stop being the initial tester on here. You’re just confusing people and making them feel very disappointed.
Zak Kozuchowski
Jan 4, 2017 at 12:27 pm
Nd,
I appreciate your suggestion. Since we only published the ball data, I went back and looked at my average angle of attack with the GBB Epic. It was -2.4 degrees. According to Trackman, that’s much closer to the average AoA on the PGA Tour (-1.5 degrees) and average AoA for bogey golfers (-2.1 degrees) than what you’re suggesting.
We’re always looking to improve our reviews with more testers and different kinds of testers, and you can read about the multiple fittings of GolfWRX Members as part of #TheWRX contest here: http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1417466-thewrx-christmas-comes-early-at-callaway-golf-8-members-are-treated-to-thewrx/
I do know how to swing up with a driver, too!
Nd
Jan 4, 2017 at 1:19 pm
Lets see it. Set the thing to 8 degrees neutral, AoA to 6 to 8 up, and get the spin down under 2000. And why did they make you use the Chrome Soft? They should have at least given you the Chrome Soft X!
Dill Pickleson
Jan 4, 2017 at 11:46 pm
Zak, seriously, you did not try to get the most out of the driver. i’m not great but i have positive launch and ave. 290 wz the gbb. i changed my thumbs up to a shank.
Uhit
Jan 5, 2017 at 8:18 am
As soon as he treats all the clubs the same, it is a good comparison…
…and it seems, that he treated all the clubs the same.
If he would hit some with a positive AoA and others not,
it would not be a fair comparison.
However, I also wonder why a lot of people have a negative AoA…
…and therefore don´t get the most (distance) out of their drives.
Zak Kozuchowski
Jan 5, 2017 at 10:33 am
Yes, Uhit, I did my best to swing all the clubs the same. I’ve found I don’t hit as many fairways when I try to swing up all the time, and I’m not unique in that respect.
R
Jan 5, 2017 at 1:25 pm
But we don’t care about that, we want distance!!!!!!! Callaway is the long drive champ, and you should have hit it like that!
Uhit
Jan 5, 2017 at 5:17 pm
Thank you for the inspiration Zak.
Maybe I should try to lower my AoA, to hit more fairways…
…but long drives make real fun!
Dill Pickelson
Jan 6, 2017 at 8:20 am
Then don’t review drivers.
TR1PTIK
Jan 6, 2017 at 1:32 pm
There have been plenty of articles written on the subject of AoA and a lot of tour pros hit down on it because they need the spin to help them find fairways (most already hit the ball long enough). That’s why those same articles recommend following the examples of LPGA players because their slower swing speeds force them to have a + AoA for maximum distance.
Clay
Jan 4, 2017 at 10:55 am
I think people are skipping the article and just reading the numbers. If I can get the same performance on slight misses that I got from middled 816 DBD swings I will take that all day.
It seems the more you hit the center the less you gain from this driver, but even pros have misses. For your average weekend golfer this could make a big difference.
Smitty
Jan 4, 2017 at 10:02 am
Here we go again with nothing more than marketing hype and a $500 price tag for a driver that will generate no performance improvement compared to the 816 DBD, which you can now buy for much less. Save yourself a bucket of money and go buy a driver from 2015/16 or (better yet) go invest in lessons with a golf pro.
jifmoli
Jan 4, 2017 at 11:02 am
Better still, buy a club that’s 3 to 5 years old to really save money and only loose maybe 5-10 yards compared to the latest. The gains are too small to pay so much for. I play with a driver from around 2007 (TM Burner) and it is better/as good as my mates’ newer ones.
Nearly stopped reading with the statement “we changed everything”. Really, again? Was the previous crap then?
peter collins
Jan 4, 2017 at 2:57 pm
even better still, go buy a 10.5 Orka
Scott
Jan 4, 2017 at 10:02 am
Wow, with all of the build up, I expected quite a bit more.
TexasSnowman
Jan 4, 2017 at 11:56 am
+1
Beef
Jan 5, 2017 at 7:35 am
+2
Tim
Jan 5, 2017 at 4:40 pm
+3
xjohnx
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:57 am
Though I will admit, like the rest of you, I was expecting better results. It’s worth noting that most people will not hit the 816 DBD nearly as well as the new epic and would likely see much better results when comparing.
Buck
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:45 am
We’ve reached the point of diminishing returns.
Spend your money on lessons or a few rounds on top-tier courses.
BOOM!
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:58 am
You nailed it.
CRot
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:38 am
Is there a typo on the launch angle, seems very very low.
Ron
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:36 am
My XR16 works fine. It’s a bit longer, but not quite as straight as my old Titleist 976R, which I was able to pipe down the middle most of the time. I’m toying with the idea of going back to it (though, to most of my mates, it looks like a 3W). If I look back at the drivers I’ve been suckered into buying over the past 10 years, if I gained 5 yds, it’s a lot.
I think I’ll keep my current clubs and count my extra money instead.
Mike
Jan 25, 2017 at 1:20 pm
Well put Ron, There’s an old adage, if it goes well don’t change it, Love my 2016 GBB rear slider, and the Fujikura speeder 60 R shaft
Desmond
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:35 am
Would have preferred a collective review by several golfers – not just one guy who can hit a DBD on the screws.
Zak Kozuchowski
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:40 am
Desmond,
Thanks for reading my review. If you haven’t already, you can see the individual reviews of GolfWRX Members who were fit for the Epic drivers last month at Callaway HQ here: http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1417466-thewrx-christmas-comes-early-at-callaway-golf-8-members-are-treated-to-thewrx/
G.W
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:33 am
So you are at a Callaway fitting centre and you are launching the ball at 8 degrees. The fitter should be let go. I’m sorry but that is crazy.It appears that they did not fit you properly for any of the clubs in the test.
Zak Kozuchowski
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:47 am
G.W.,
I was fit for the Epic the day before this test. And based on Trackman’s optimal launch conditions for my swing speed (about 115) and average angle of attack (about 0), I was optimized for the Epic. Here’s a link to a great story about this very topic from our Trackman Master Tom Stickney: http://www.golfwrx.com/303248/how-far-you-can-actually-hit-your-driver/.
G.W
Jan 4, 2017 at 10:07 am
I apologize.I guess I having been watching to many youtube guys claiming to carry the ball 295 with a 115 swing.I thought the 8 degree launch seemed very low but obviously it works for you.Thanks for the reply.
Zak Kozuchowski
Jan 4, 2017 at 11:13 am
Yes, a lot of people think they need to be launching their drives at 17 degrees and with 1700 rpm of spin to optimize results, and for some it does. Bubba Watson can do it on demand, but even his average launch angle on the PGA Tour in 2016 was 9.73 degrees.
As we write all the time, the most important part about buying a new driver is being properly fit. When golfers do that and upgrade to the newest technology, very impressive results often occur. It can be game changing!
Desmond
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:33 am
Seems as if the difference will be more consistency with the extreme higher MOI and a tighter fit due to head choices and adjustements.
As many have stated, a perfect strike makes little difference – It’s the forgiveness and fit that give you better and more consistent (longer) driving.
Greg V
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:05 am
If you were rarely missing the screws with the Alpha 816 DBD, I hope that you took that very driver home with you!
tzed
Jan 4, 2017 at 9:02 am
Still not enough progress for me to change my Cobra Amp Cell. I’ll spend the $500 on 8 lessons from my club pro.
Moses
Jan 4, 2017 at 8:43 am
Wow. First Ping, then Titleist, then TM and now Callaway. The latest and greatest is worse/same than previous years model. M1 2016 = M2 2017, G30>G, 915>917, and GBB DBD > Epic SZ. This is why the used golf club market is so strong and more and more people don’t buy new anymore
Kenny
Jan 4, 2017 at 8:33 am
Is there going to be a version with a non-adjustable hosel?
Perry
Jan 4, 2017 at 8:15 am
Why would anyone expect to expect higher ball speed? Ball speed is capped. Jailbreak or no… MOI is capped. The only thing left to do is expand the sweet spot and aerodynamics. That’s it.
The Club Nut
Jan 4, 2017 at 8:35 am
I think most people were expecting something closer to the actual limit of ball speed and MOI. while things are close, nothing is really “maxxed out” on more than one of the numbers if at all. If you get to the maximum limits, minus the error allowed, then you can get more distance, but i feel that callaway definitely under delivered on this driver given all the advertising and promises.
Perry
Jan 4, 2017 at 2:32 pm
Anyone that doesn’t think balls speed is maxed out is on glue. Every few years there is a recall on a driver that’s too hot. Remember the original Nike SuMo that every said was short? Recalled for being too hot, and the conforming one got replaced with the circle version. I had a Mizuno MP-001 that was amazingly long. It also made the non-conforming list. MOI maxed out is basically do you want to go square or not.
MOI only helps curvature due to gear effect. Even with a max MOI you can slice the ball with a path angle inside the face angle.
Jim
Jan 4, 2017 at 8:10 am
One ‘good hop’ longer for 400+? I don’t think so…puke green – again?…It didn’t fly even one or two shots remarkedly longer in testing?
If it proves to be more forgiving, it’ll last 6 months. It’ll be on sale @ the remaining DSG ‘pro shops’ (lol) for 299 by July 4th either way
Spitty
Jan 4, 2017 at 7:32 am
Excellent initial review, the 816 has been out for a couple of years now there is still plenty in the marketplace. , yet according to your data and review, not much as changed. I am some what surprised by this givin the name “EPIC” and the subliminal advertising.
TheCityGame
Jan 4, 2017 at 7:23 am
Make no mistake, the biggest thing you’re paying for is this —> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/fashion/color-of-the-year-2017-pantone-greenery.html
An honest review. . .”that carbon fiber crown looks cool and that green is going to be in vogue this year and you’ll buy anything at this point.”
You can be expected to gain .3 yards distance. Sounds like a good use of 500 dollars.
Quote, “which allows the club face of the drivers to flex more and return more energy to the ball. More energy means more ball speed and more distance.”
So…they’ve bypassed the COR limits?
“And many will see bigger gains, particularly if they’re coming from a driver that’s two or more years old.”
Yeah, those 3-year old drivers, with the old COR limits. So short. Please try to convince me this club is longer than my G15. I’d love to hear it.
Jack Nash
Jan 4, 2017 at 10:12 am
Orrrr maybe it’s the 45 gm shaft?
Joseph
Jan 4, 2017 at 6:53 am
Thanks. Doesn’t seem like there is enough difference here to justify the $$ going from an M1, or at least from prior Callaway.