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UST Mamiya’s ProForce VTS line pushes shaft fitting further

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Golfers know when they have the right shafts in their clubs.

The results are clear. With the correct shafts, golfers hit the ball further, straighter and are able to swing with less effort. What has not been so clear to golfers, however, is how to find out what shaft is best for them.

Golfers can spend hours hitting different shafts with the hope of finding the one that feels right. Variables such as torque and frequency can make the process seem more like a physics course than an activity to improve one’s game. That’s why golfers who are serious about improving their games often visit a custom club builder for a fitting session.

Usually, a trip to a custom fitter will give golfers access to a wider variety of products and a launch monitor, as well as the expertise of the club fitter. But because there are so many different shafts from countless manufacturers with limitless characteristics, many golfers can leave the fitting session with uncertainty. With all the different options, how do they really know that they shaft they chose was right for them?

UST Mamiya, a golf shaft company headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas, began a long-term study in 2004 that they hoped would bring clarity to the shaft fitting process. To do this, the company recruited hundreds of golfers to see how different shafts were affecting their launch angle, spin rate, swing speed and dispersion.

In the test, golfers hit shots with shafts that isolated a specific variable. For example, one test asked golfers to hit shots with two different shafts, which were nearly identical with the exception that one that weighed 55 grams and the other weighed 80 grams. Developers repeated this type of testing with other variables, such as torque and stiffness.

According to Jamie Pipes, a product developer for UST, some of the results were contrary to what UST had been touting. For example, it was commonly accepted in the golf industry that lightweight shafts could increase clubhead speed, while heavier shafts decreased clubhead speed. What Pipes and the UST team saw in the testing, however, was that the weight of the shaft didn’t greatly affect swing speed. What was more important to swing speed was a variable that at first Pipes and his team thought was going to be a waste of time to test – torque.

VTS Red-6S

Torque in a golf shaft is defined as the shaft’s resistance to twisting in the downswing. Torque is measured in degrees, which means that shafts with low torque twist less than shafts with higher amounts of torque. For years, developers at UST strove to make shafts with as low amount of torque as possible. It was a reaction to the growth of driver heads. Around 2000, the average driver head size was about 275cc. Just a few years later, many companies were producing driver heads in excess of 400cc.

In 2004, the USGA imposed a maximum limit of 460cc on the size of driver heads. While the new rule made it harder for major equipment manufacturers to innovate driver heads, it was a blessing for shaft companies. As heads grew larger every year, companies like UST struggled to engineer shafts that would match. But when the heads reached the maximum size limits, club designers began to focus more on the placement of the center of gravity of the heads, as well as the MOI.

Better placement of the center of gravity and MOI in driver heads made the heads more stable, and thus lessened the need for UST’s shafts to be as low torque as possible. Torque was one of the variables that stood out to Pipes and others on the team during UST’s long-term shaft test. Most of the comments testers made about the two different shafts during the torque testing – one with 2.5 degrees of torque, the other with 4.2 degrees of torque – were about one of the most vague terms in golf equipment: feel.

Pipes assumed that golfers with faster swing speeds were going to like shafts with low torque, while golfers with slower swing speeds would prefer high torque shafts. His reasoning was based on the physics of what happens to a shaft during the golf swing. As a golfer starts his downswing, three things happen to the shaft:

  1. The forces a golfer applies to the golf club as well as the forces of gravity cause the shaft to “droop” during the swing because the weight of the head is pulling down as the golfer swings to impact.
  2. As the golfer goes into impact, the hands slow down and the club head leads the swing, which is why on high-speed cameras the shaft appears to bend toward the ball as the golfer nears the impact position. This is why high-speed players usually opt for stiffer shafts – it limits the amount of bend.
  3. As the clubhead droops and the shaft flexes, the club head is also going to rotate closed. By what degree the clubhead closes is determined by the torque of the shaft.

Since launch monitors became an integral part of custom club fitting more than a decade ago, fitters have worked to find a combination of stiffness and shaft weight that matched a golfer’s swing. According to Pipes, the process of selecting the proper stiffness and weight for a golfer is fairly straightforward.

“Based on someone’s swing speed and ball speed, I can pretty much predict what stiffness they need,” Pipes said. “A guy with a swing speed in the mid 90s is probably going to be a stiff flex. A guy in the 100s or above is probably going to be an X flex.”

Weight is also a pretty easy fit, because Pipes said every golfer has a limit on how heavy or how light they can go with their shaft. If a player is using too light of a shaft, they will have a tendency to draw the ball. If he or she has too heavy of a shaft, they will tend to fade the ball. These results are obvious to a trained fitter during a fitting session.

But torque is a little trickier for a club fitter to tune, because it has to do with feel. It’s impossible for a club fitter to tell what a golfer is feeling – they can only interpret the numbers they receive from a launch monitor and the results they see from ball flight. But when the torque of a shaft is matched to a player’s swing type, Pipes has found that there is a noticeable spike in a golfer’s swing speed, as well as a more consistent spin rate.

“When [golfers] find the right shaft that fits them, they say it feels like butter,” Pipes said. “It’s like a homerun ball. It’s effortless.”

My fitting session 

I had the opportunity to test UST’s line of Proforce VTS shafts in April at Pure Impact Golf Studio in Commerce Township, Mich. The owner of the facility, Chris Darakdjian, had fit me for a 3 wood two years ago when I was playing collegiate golf, so he was familiar with my swing. UST shipped him a few shafts that he believed I would most likely fit into.

I’d recently received three woods (driver, 3 wood, hybrid) with stock X-flex shafts that I was happy with, but I thought I custom fitting session could boost their performance. As with all of Darakdjian’s fittings, we started with my driver, a 460cc adjustable head with 8 degrees of loft. I warmed up with my driver, and after seeing the results, Darakdjian installed a VTS TourSPX Red 7X, which was the eventual winner.

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Pipes said that during his fitting sessions, he does not like to have golfers hit more than a few shots without trying a different product. He said he doesn’t want golfers to become used to a shaft because it can distort the fitting process. Darakdjian followed the same protocol. After a handful of shots, Darakdjian had me try a Proforce VTS TourSPX Silver 7X, and then a VTS TourSPX Black 7X. (We also tried different weights and flexes, but I had the best results with 7X in my driver, 8X in my three wood and 8X in my hybrid). UST’s shaft fitting system uses colors to distinguish differences in torque. Red has the most torque, silver has a medium amount of torque and black has the lowest torque.

With my driver, I’ve always had a tendency to leave my shots out to the right. It’s because of a swing fault that I’ve always battled. On my downswing, I often get the clubhead outside my hands at the halfway down position. From there, I have to work extremely hard to get club back on plane, or I hit a block to the right. In competition, I usually settled with aiming down the left rough line, and trying to hit a block into the fairway.

The shaft I was using in my driver prior to the test weighed 76 grams and had 2.8 degrees of torque. On Darakdjian’s Trackman, I was averaging 111.2 mph swing speed with an 11.8 yard miss to the right. With the VTX Red 7X shaft, which was 75.9 grams and had 4.2 degrees of torque, my average swing speed jumped to 113.2 mph with an average dispersion of 0.7 yards to the right. My ball speed also increased – from 167.4 mph to 169.8 mph, my spin rate dropped from 2777 rpm to 2448 rpm and my launch angle increased from 7.9 degrees to 12.2 degrees (Darakdjian increased the loft on my adjustable driver from 8 degrees to 9 degrees to help raise my launch angle). What do all these numbers mean? I went from hitting my driver an average of 295.1 yards to 313.8 yards. But was more important to me was how much straighter I was hitting my driver.

Darakdjian noticed the difference in my swing immediately. Although my launch angle and spin rate improved with the silver and black versions of the VTS TourSPX shafts, my dispersion was not as consistent. The shafts also felt less smooth in my downswing, and Darakdjian noticed that with the lower torque models, the effort I was expending in my swing appeared to increase. I saw similar results in my 3 wood and hybrid – better launch, better spin rates and more distance. And most importantly, a better feel that led to tighter dispersions.

On the course 

To Pipes, fitting golfers with the right shaft is a process, not something that is set in stone after one fitting. Adjustable driver heads have made that process much easier on club fitters, giving them the ability to quickly switch out shafts and alter the head’s launch conditions through moveable weights. But there are still many variables a club fitter can’t control, particularly the way a golfer’s swing changes over time or in competition.

When I was competing in collegiate golf, I always wondered if the swing changes I was making with my instructor were affecting the performance of my custom fit clubs. But most times, it was not reasonable for me to check in with my club fitter every time I made a change in my swing. Often there isn’t enough time, and many golfers lack the resources necessary to keep upgrading their equipment. Luckily, Pipes said that despite what many golfer’s believe about their swings, a golfer’s tendencies and swing characteristics are often more consistent than they believe.

Over the last month, I’ve had a chance to play multiple rounds with my new VTS TourSPX Red shafts. At first, the majority of my misses went to the left. I was not used to playing with shafts with such a high amount of torque. But on my good shots, the improvement was undeniable – especially into the wind, where the higher launch angle and reduced spin rate produced drives that were more than 30 yards longer than I was accustomed to. And the more I’ve played with my VTS TourSPX Red shafts, the straighter I’ve hit it.

According to UST Mamiya, 50 percent of its tour players are using Proforce VTS Black shafts (the lowest torque model) – 33 percent of players are using VTS Silver shafts (mid-torque) and 17 percent are using VTS Red shafts (high torque). That puts me in the minority of high-speed players that are using high-torque shafts, along with Webb Simpson, who uses a UST Avixcore 69X Red shaft in his driver and VTS Red 8TX shafts in his three wood and five wood.

TourSPX VTS Red-7X

The TourSPX versions of UST Mamiya’s shafts are made with tighter tolerances than “stock” UST Mamiya shafts. They are available through select UST Mamiya TourSPX dealers, such as Pure Impact Golf Studio.

But I shouldn’t need to know that Webb Simpson or any other tour pro is using a similar shaft as me. The shafts Darakdjian fit for me worked on the launch monitor, and luckily they’ve proved their worth on the course as well. Experienced fitters like Darakdjian charge about $100 for a driver fitting, and $250 for a full-set fitting – substantially less than what it would cost a golfer to buy a new driver or a new set of clubs. Many times, fitters will put some of these charges toward the purchase of a new shaft. And Darakdijian currently offers discounts for GolfWRX members who visit his studio.

A new golf club can give a golfer an immediate sense of confidence, but if its shaft specifications are the same as the previous club a player has struggled with, the old results are sure to follow. Whether you swing like Webb Simpson or Homer Simpson, if you’re a serious player with a reasonable amount of swing speed and consistency, there’s a shaft available that will help you improve your game. And the right shaft will likely cost much less than a new club, and bring much more enjoyment to your game. I know it did for me.

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  1. Scott

    Nov 13, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    So your average drive went to 313 yards? That’s more than a tour pro. All this with only a swing speed of 113? I don’t think so.

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    Jul 5, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Hi there! I just wish to offer you a big thumbs up for the excellent info you’ve got here on this post. I’ll be returning to your site for more soon.

  3. Adam

    Jun 16, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Awesome more people should get fit if your going to spend 400 on the driver spend the extra money and get the right shaft loft etc.

  4. Andrew

    Jun 5, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    I just got some new gear from UST and think its amazing. I’m working with a set of prototype iron shafts and a prototype driver shaft that have added some much to my game. Think UST has really found something special to help players improve their game.

  5. Wedger

    Jun 5, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    You did a great deal of homework here. I have a harrison shotmaker and I love this set for me. I hit it straughter and longer which has helped my game when I thought there was no help. I enjoy more now then any other time.

  6. David30

    Jun 4, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Bravo! Couldn’t agree with with you more, Zak. I had been playing an R5 with the stock hyperlite shaft. While functional, the shaft was a total mismatch for my swing. Went to see Damon Lucas, a DC area pro, and purchased an R11 with the Matrix Ozik HD7 shaft, really low torque. Improved my driving distance by 30 yards. Can honestly say my game went from functional to opportunistic.

  7. D'Arcy

    Jun 4, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Whoever is taking the action shots in the studio should use rear curtain sync on the camera. This will allow the flash to fire at the end of the exposure, and you get the trail of the ball and club looking like he’s swinging properly, not backwards in time like it looks here.

  8. Ian

    Jun 4, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Chris has done a lot of work on my clubs and it has always been first rate. We are lucky to have such a high quality shop in of all places…. Comerce Michigan!!

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Whats in the Bag

Anirban Lahiri WITB 2020

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  • WITB accurate as of January 2020

Driver (two models): Titleist TS3 (9.5 degrees, D4 SureFit setting)
Shaft: Aldila Rogue Silver 130 M.S.I. 60 TX

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3-wood: Callaway Epic Flash (15 degrees, DS OptiFit setting)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro Blue 70 TX

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5-wood: Ping G410 (17.5 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro Blue 80 TX

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Hybrid: PXG 0317 X (22 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi MMT UT 105 TX

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Irons: Srixon Z 785 (4), Srixon Z 945 (5-PW)
Shafts: Nippon N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour 120 X

Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM7  (50-12M)
*We were unable to photograph Lahiri’s other wedges

Putter: Toulon Design Austin Stroke Lab

Putter: OnOff Prototype

 

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A Deep Dive: The equipment timeline of David Duval, 1993-2001

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Like Tiger, David Toms, and Fred Couples there are certain players that I have been obsessed with for years. If you go to my Instagram, you can see it in plain sight. When it comes to DD it was more than the what, it was the why, the how that sparked my curiosity. Let’s face it, in 2000 with the Mossimo gear, Oakley shades, jacked-up physique, and on Titleist staff, was there ever a cooler looking player?

No. There wasn’t or isn’t.

That’s where my interest in Larry Bobka came about. I saw David and Larry walking the fairways of Sahalee at the ’98 PGA Championship.

At the time, I was already knee-deep in David Duval fandom but that experience took me over the top. Bobka had a handful of clubs in his hands and would pass DD a 970 3-wood, Duval would give it a rip and the two would discuss while walking down the fairway. Of all my time watching live golf, I have never been so awestruck.

This is an homage to David’s equipment during his prime/healthy years on the PGA Tour. From his early days with Mizuno, into the Titleist days, and finally Nike.

1993-1995 Mizuno

*This was an interesting time for Duval from an equipment standpoint. The pattern of mixing sets to put together his bag began and it was the time he transitioned from persimmon (Wood Bros driver) into metal woods. It was also the beginning of his long relationship with Scotty Cameron, a relationship that still stands today.

What was in the bag

Driver: TaylorMade Tour Burner 8.5 w/ Dynamic Gold X100 (*he also played with the Bubble XHKP Prototype)

3-wood

King Cobra @14 w/ Dynamic Gold X100

TaylorMade Tour Issue Spoon @13  w/ Dynamic Gold X100

Irons

1993: (1) Ping Eye2, (3-PW) Mizuno Pro TN-87 with Dynamic Gold X100

1994: (1) Ping Eye2, (3-PW) Mizuno Pro TN-87 with Dynamic Gold X100

1995: (2,3) Mizuno TC-29, (4-PW) Mizuno TN-87 with Dynamic Gold X100

Wedges: Mizuno Pro (53, 58) with Dynamic Gold X100

Putter: Scotty Cameron Classic Newport (35 inches, 71 lie, 4 degrees of loft)

Ball: Titleist Tour Balata 100

Glove: Mizuno Pro

1996-2000 Titleist

The beginning of the Titleist years started off quietly. There wasn’t any new product launched and David wasn’t quite the star he would become 12-18 months later. However, it gave Titleist the opportunity to get to know DD and his overall preferences, which aren’t dramatic but certainly unique. He didn’t win in 1996 but did qualify for the Presidents Cup Team and finished that event off at 4-0. So the buzz was going in the right direction and his peers certainly took notice.

It was 1997 that things took off on all fronts and it was the year that Titleist made David Duval the face of the DCI brand and with that decision spawned the greatest cast players cavity ever: the 962B—and also equipped David Duval to go on a 3-year run that was surpassed by only Tiger Woods.

Hence the deep dive article I wrote up earlier this month

What was in the bag

Driver

1996

TaylorMade Bubble Tour 8.5 w/ Bubble XHKP Prototype

1997

TaylorMade Bubble Tour 8.5 w/ Bubble XHKP Prototype

King Cobra Deep Face 9 w/ Dynamic Gold X100

Callaway Warbird Great Big Bertha 6.5 w/ Dynamic Gold X100, True Temper EI70 Tour X

Titleist 975D 6.5 (no line heavier head weight) w/ Fujikura Prototype X

1998

Callaway Warbird Great Big Bertha 6.5 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

Titleist 975D 6.5 (no line heavier head weight) w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

1999: Titleist 975D 6.5 (no line heavier head weight) @ 7.5 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

2000: Titleist 975D 7.5 (no line heavier head weight) w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

3-wood

1996

King Cobra @14 w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100

1997 

King Cobra @14 w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100

1998

Callaway S2H2 (1 Dot) @14 w/ Fujikura Vista Pro 90X


Callaway Steelhead 3+ @13 w/ RCH 90 Pro Series Strong

Titleist 970 (Dark Grey Head) @13 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X (only tested this one)

1999

Callaway S2H2 (1 Dot) @14 w/ Fujikura Vista Pro 90X

Cobra Gravity Back 14.5T w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

Irons

1996

(2-PW) Titleist DD Blank Prototype w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 (w/sensicore)

(2-PW) Titleist DCI Black “B” w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 (w/sensicore)

*This prototype set was a blank set of the DCI Black “B” but with sole modifications. 

1997, 1998, 1999, 2000: (2,3) Titleist DCI Black (4-PW) Titleist DCI 962B w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 (with sensicore)

*David liked the original prototype version of DG Sensicore X100 that had weight removed from the center of shaft to create better feel and a slightly higher trajectory

24 Feb 2000: David Duval watches the ball after hitting it during the World Match-Play Championships at the La Costa Resort & Spa in Carlsbad, California. Mandatory Credit: Harry How /Allsport

Wedges

1996: (52 @53, 58) Mizuno Pro, (56 @57) Cleveland 588 RTG w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

1997: (53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 RTG, (58) Titleist Bobka Grind, (57 @58) Cobra Trusty Rusty w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

1998: (53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 RTGw/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

1999: (53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 RTG w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

2000: (53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 “Gun Metal” w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

PUTTER

1996: Scotty Cameron Classic Newport 1 35 Inches, 71 Lie, 4 Degrees of Loft, Scotty Cameron Long Slant Neck Laguna Custom (double welded neck)

1997: Odyssey Dual Force Rossie 2, Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Newport “Beached”  35 Inches, 71 Lie, 4 Degrees of Loft w/ PingMan “Blacked Out” Grip

1998, 1999, 2000: Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Newport “Beached”  35 Inches, 71 Lie, 4 Degrees of Loft w/ PingMan “Blacked Out” Grip

2001: Nike Golf and The Open Championship

The relationship with Titleist Golf ended quickly and when David showed up to Kapalua with a non-Titleist stand bag the rumor mill went nuts. The story (although super speculative) was that David opted out in the middle of a $4.5 million per year deal with Acushnet, a lawsuit followed, but Davids’s stance was that he had a marquee player clause that allowed him to walk if he wasn’t “marquee” aka highest-paid.

Apparently he had a point, Acushnet had recently inked big deals with Davis Love and Phil Mickelson leading someone on the outside to do the math. However, I’m not an attorney, wasn’t there, and have no clue what the legality of any of it was. Point is, he walked and landed at Nike with a new head-to-toe contract. 

 

DRIVER:

Titleist 975D 7.5 (no line heavier head weight) w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

Titleist 975E Prototype 8.5 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

Nike Titanium w/ True Temper EI-70 II Tour X (pictured below)

Nike Titanium Prototype 7.5 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X (featured image)

3 WOOD:

Callaway Steelhead Plus 4+ @15 w/ RCH 90 Pro Series Strong

Nike Prototype @14 degrees w/ True Temper EI-70 Tour X

Sonartec/Excedo (SS-03 head) Driving Cavity @14 w/ Fujikura Vista Pro 90X

IRONS:

(2-PW) Titleist 990B w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100  (with sensicore)

(2-PW) Nike Prototype “DD” Grind MB w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 (with sensicore)

(2) Titleist DCI Black w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100  (with sensicore)

 

WEDGES: 

(53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 “Gun Metal” w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

(53,58) Nike DD Grind w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

PUTTER: Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Newport “Beached”  35 Inches, 71 Lie, 4 Degrees of Loft w/ PingMan “Blacked Out” Grip

SPEC TALK

Over the years the one constant was David’s iron and wedge specs. As a shut-faced player he has always favored traditional lofts in his irons. However, a cool thing to note is his lie angles remained constant 59.5 (2-4), 60 (5-9). The running theory here was being a shallow (low hands) and shut faced player, keeping the lie angles at a constant (flatter) lie angle allowed him to feel like his angle of attack could remain the same for each iron. It’s just a feeling but that’s what he did. If the “why of it” is true, it looks like he was doing Bryson things before Bryson did.

David Duval Iron/Wedge Specs

Loft/Lie/Length/SW

  • 2-17/59.5/40.25/D5
  • 3-20.5/59.5/39 1/6/D4
  • 4-24/59.5/38 9/16/D4
  • 5-27/60/38 1/16/D4
  • 6-30.5/60/ 37 9/16/D4
  • 7-35/60/37 1/16/D4
  • 8-39/60/36 9/16/D4
  • 9-43/60/36 5/16/D4
  • P-47/61/36/ 1/16/D5
  • GW-53/62/35 5/8/D4
  • LW-58/62/35 9/16/D6

Whew…since this prolific run, David transitioned into some interesting projects with smaller companies like Scratch, B.I.G Golf (AKA Bio-engineered in Germany), back to the mainstream with Nike, and most currently Cobra Golf.

I hope you all enjoyed this walk down memory lane with me, Duval is not only fascinating from a career standpoint but digging into the equipment of DD has been quite the experience.

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“Why can’t I hit my new irons to a consistent distance?” – GolfWRXers have their say

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In our forums, our members have been discussing irons and how to hit your numbers consistently. WRXer ‘Hubb1e’, who is a 15 handicap, is having issues and says:

“I recently upgraded from 20 year old Taylor Made 360 irons to a set of custom-built Callaway Apex 19 Forged irons. Old irons were traditional cavity back. New irons are categorized as players distance irons. Both have the same fit.

My new 3 iron will go 230 yards or 130 yards and not even make it far enough to reach the fairway. My new 7 iron will typically go 160 yards but will often will fly 175 yards or drop out of the air at 120 yards. I can’t control the distances of my new irons, and I spent a fortune custom fitting them to my swing. Why is this happening? This was never an issue with my old irons. A bad hit would go 10-20% shorter, but I never had balls fly over the green or completely fall out of the air. What is going on with my new equipment?”

Our members offer up their solutions in our forum.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • ThreeBoxers: “Strike quality is your answer. Tech or no tech, irons will not have 50-yard distance discrepancies. Not super familiar with the Apex irons, but they’re pretty forgiving no? You might lose 10 yards on toe or heel strikes but 40, 50? You’re probably hitting it heavy. If they have a beveled edge, it may mask the feeling of hitting it fat a bit, but not the result. My Mizunos have a pretty aggressive front edge grind which helps a ton on heavy shots. It’s the difference between landing 15 yards short and 50 yards short. +1 on using foot spray to check impact.”
  • extrastiff: “It also would not hurt to check your swing speed. Even strike being terrible that’s a large discrepancy. Maybe your last build had a weight that helped you get consistent swing speed.”
  • WristySwing: “I would say inconsistent strike is the biggest issue. Now that can mean a couple of things. It could mean you, as in the person swinging, are not hitting the ball properly because of inconsistent delivery. The other option is the fit is bad, and it is causing you to be extremely inconsistent because you cannot feel the head. It might be a little bit of column A and column B. However, I would lean more towards column A in this scenario because even a horrifically misfit set someone could get used to it eventually and not have 100 yards of discrepancy in carry shot to shot. I’ve seen people who are playing 50g ladies flex irons with fat wide soles who are very shallow and swing a 6i 92mph still not have 100 yards of carry flux with their sets. If your miss is toe-side 9/10x that is because you are coming too far from the inside. When you get too stuck on the inside you typically stall and throw your arms at it. When you break your wrists (flip)/throw your arms at it you get a very inconsistent low point average that often manifests in extremely fat or thin strikes….typically fat since your squat and rotate is out of sync with your release. As others have said, get some impact tape/foot powder spray and see where you are actually making contact. Then if you can get on a video lesson and see what the issue is. As of right now, we can all only assume what is going on. If your low point control is good, you don’t get stuck, and you are hitting it in the middle of the head — then fit comes into question.”
  • larryd3: “I”d be on the phone to my fitter and setting up a time to go back in and see what’s going on with the irons. You shouldn’t be getting those types of results with a properly fit set of irons. When I got my fitting earlier this year at TrueSpec, the fitter, after watching me hit a bunch with my current irons, focused on increasing the spin on my irons, not on distance but on consistency. So far, they seem to be working well when I put a decent swing on them.”
  • fastnhappy: “One possibility that wouldn’t necessarily show up indoors is sole design and turf interaction. You may have a real problem with the newer clubs because of a sole design that doesn’t work for your swing. That’s hard to tell when hitting inside off a mat. If so, you’d see major distance inconsistency because of strike. The feedback I’ve seen on the players distance irons is exactly what you’re describing… difficult to control distance.”

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