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Located in Huntington Beach, California, the Cleveland Fitting Studio has state-of-the art equipment and advice on getting the right sticks for your game.  I had the pleasure of spending an afternoon with Justin Barnett, Technical Representative; John Rae, Performance Research Manager; and Nate Radcliffe, Metalwoods Development Manager.  It was truly the pro experience.  Guess what?  You don’t have to be a tour pro or even a writer for Golf WRX to get this treatment.  The Cleveland Fitting Studio experience is of no charge.  That’s right, free to all golfers.  Of course, you need to call and reserve a time, but it is still free.  How is that for a bargain?

One of the best parts of the visit was their putting analysis equipment.  They take your putter, set up the specs, hook you up to the machine, and you get some very useful information.  Firstly, you see what the face of the putter is doing at address.  Justin Barnett explains that this is not as important as where the face is with respect to the ball at impact.  In addition, you see putter path, impact spot, and rise & shaft at impact.  You even get this information in a printout that also tells you what your clubhead rotation and rate are as well as your timing.  Obsessive about your putting?  This service is for you.

I was also able to get in some questions about the company and its vision answered from the team:

1. What was the idea behind the design of the Hi-Bore club design? 

Nate Radcliffe:  After designing the original Launcher 460 and Launcher 460 COMP, we knew that we had maximized the design potential of a large, traditional shape.  Despite thin titanium or composite crowns, these larger traditional clubs still had a sweet spot that was positioned above the center of the face.  This forced the golfer to hit the ball off of the top of the face to achieve efficient launch conditions.  Impacting the ball consistently on the top of the face was not only unrealistic for the average golfer, but proved itself to be an ineffective way to utilize the “trampoline effect” that was centered on the face.  We knew that the “traditional” shape was limiting performance and it was time to shift our thinking.

Traditional clubs had several key features that were holding back performance.  Remember that the fundamental shape that we were using to design thin, 460cc titanium drivers was derived over 300 years ago for solid, wooden clubs.  This is analogous to race car designers being forced to design the race cars of today on a Ford Model T chassis.  The basic problems were:

Traditional Design Flaw #1 —- High, bulbous crown (top surface of club head)

-The HiBORE’s inverted crown surface dramatically lowers the weight of the crown section of the clubhead which lowers the overall center of gravity (CG)

Traditional Design Flaw #2 —- Tall skirt (connecting surface between the crown and sole)

-By lowering and/or eliminating the transition line between the crown and the skirt we are able to lower the CG and remove unwanted material and weight that could be placed more effectively in other CG and moment of inertia (MOI) enhancing regions of the clubhead

Traditional Design Flaw #3 —- Toe biased or “pear” shaped profile (top down profile of clubhead is biased toward the toe.  Originally this was done to counter-balance the heavy weight of the solid wooden hosel on wooden drivers, but in a hollow design this can lead to a toe-biased CG requiring inefficient heel weighting

-The HiBORE design utilizes a more symmetric chassis from the top down which allows for the deepest and highest MOI weighting without causing the club to become toe weighted or fade-biased.

Traditional Design Flaw #4 —- Shallow sole depth (distance from the face to the deepest point on the sole)

-Traditional drivers extend to their deepest point on the crown and then transition forward to a smaller sole plate.  This limits the ability to place weighting in the lowest and deepest possible location within the clubhead.  The HiBORE design incorporates an extremely low and deep section within the chassis to allow our engineers to place all discretionary weight in the lowest and deepest possible location.  This weighting provides several advantages over a traditional sole design:

* Lower CG (increases launch angle and reduces spin rate

* Deeper CG (increases launch angle and provides stability and ball speed consistency)

* Increased horizontal MOI (improves impact and ball flight consistency from the heel to the toe)

* Increased vertical MOI (improves impact and ball flight consistency up and down the face)

 Most simply, the HiBORE is a deep face driver with a low profile chassis that consistently produces more efficient launch conditions than drivers of traditional shape.  The HiBORE design is a geometric revision to the driver shape that was a pioneer in the modern era of geometric clubhead design.

2. What type of player is easier to fit, a tour pro or an average golfer? 

Nate Radcliffe:  Both tour players and high handicappers can present challenges to a fitting process, but both stand to make substantial improvements to their game by utilizing the best technology available to help them select the proper equipment.

Most tour players experiment with their equipment on a weekly basis.  They have tried lots of combinations and generally know what they like relative to aesthetics and ball flight.  A tour player may have inefficient launch conditions off their driver, but the ball flight is one that they may be accustomed to and trust on the course.

Tour players are very precise and repeatable in their swings and launch conditions, but can require a very specific result in any fitting.  The challenge in any tour fitting process is to make improvements within a tight window of acceptable options.  At the end of the day, the club must please the player before it pleases the launch monitor.

Higher HDCP, average golfers are obviously much less repeatable in their swing and results (which is why they are not tour players) but in most cases have much more to gain and are open to suggestions.  Though it can be a challenge to find enough consistent swings to separate similar shafts and clubs, glaring problems in equipment selection are easy to spot.  There are typically big improvements available for average players in any reputable fitting process.

Justin BarnettThey can both be easy as well as be difficult, I would have to say that all in all the tour pro would be an easier fit. They know what specs they play usually and as well know what they want to see in ball flight.

3. What do you hope the fitting center will achieve for the average golfer?

 Justin BarnettThe average golfer should achieve a more enjoyable game with his equipment being fit to his specific swing. It makes all the difference in the world

 

4. Why should an average golfer visit the fitting center?

Justin Barnett: The average golfer should visit the studio before his purchase so that he can get everything fit to his swing. Length, lie angle, shaft and grip size. Most of the time when you line 10 people up you will find that maybe 2 swing the same specs. Another way to look at it would be – if you’re going to buy a nice suit you’re going to want it tailored to fit your body right? So why spend all that money on new clubs and not have them tailored to your swing?

5. What are the technologies in club design that are unique to Cleveland ?  To Srixon

Nate RadcliffeCleveland Golf has many patented technologies that we utilize to gain performance advantages in our equipment.  We were the first to explore many areas of clubhead design.  Here are a few of our many firsts:

* True geometric design in the modern era of drivers (Original HiBORE driver)

* Full transition hybrid iron design (HiBORE Irons)

* Milled grooves in wedges ( Cleveland 900 series)

* Vibration absorption systems in irons (VAS)

* Multiple bounce options in wedges ( Cleveland 900 series)

 Our parent company SRI Sports has vast knowledge and expertise in golf club and golf ball design.  We have only begun to explore the vast horizons of collaboration between our 2 RND and Intellectual Property teams.  We expect exciting innovation to occur through our collaboration with SRI going forward.

6. Will Srixon eventually manufacture clubs for the lefty golfer?

John Rae:  Currently, SRI has a very strong presence in the Japanese market with both the Srixon and XXIO brands.  SRI is actually the #1 driver manufacturer in Japan.  The Japanese market currently does not have a significant demand for lefty clubs so Srixon does not produce any for Japan.  The Srixon brand is not as widely known in the US, so the need for lefty clubs in the US is small as well.

Moving forward, Srixon hopes to capitalize on the partnership with Cleveland .  With Cleveland ’s extensive market presence in the US and wider distribution network, Srixon hopes to grow in the US market over the next several years.  As the brand grows and flourishes, the demand for lefty clubs will clearly increase.  At that point, I expect that Srixon will produce clubs for the lefty golfer.

7. What are the types of considerations made when designing new clubs?  Does everything start with PGA specs or do ideas come and then conform?

John Rae:  When designing a new club, one of the main considerations is the target audience.  This audience is the driving factor in where we start the design process.  If we are designing a product that is geared exclusively toward the better player and elite golfer, we will start with PGA specs and design around the look and feel requirements that the better player demands.  On the other hand, if we are designing an all-ability club or a game improvement club our approach is a little different.  In those cases, we will often ignore the USGA rules and traditional aesthetic requirements in the initial phases of conception.  By doing this, we can free our minds up to envision the designs that will truly lead to better performance and help the target golfer.  Once we have completed our ‘blue sky’ research phase, we will take some of those concepts and pull them back within the USGA rules, and modify the designs to pleasing aesthetics.  By taking both approaches, we can provide tour proven products that have the look and feel the better player demands, while still producing some of the most technologically advanced and innovative products in the market.


8. How difficult is it to design a new club for each season?  What do you try to accomplish with each new generation?

John Rae:  The design process is very difficult.  Without the new Computer Aided Design (CAD) and Finite Element Analysis (FEA) software it would be impossible to produce golf clubs as high performance as current clubs.  Using this new technology, it is possible to simulate a wide variety of designs and truly optimize the design before making the first prototype parts.

I think we take a rather unique approach to designing golf clubs at Cleveland Golf.  We do not create a new product just to have a new product.  Every product is created off of the simple question: ‘What is wrong with our current product?’  We get our answer to the question from a variety of sources.  We talk to our sales representatives who are in constant communication with shop salesmen and customers. We talk to our customer services representatives who speak to the consumer on a daily basis.  We perform extensive player and robotic testing. The Fitting Studio also performs a valuable function as our trained technical staff can work directly with players and determine what works well and why.

Using the knowledge we obtain from all these sources we design the next generation golf club to address these weaknesses of its predecessor without sacrificing the strengths.  We do not believe that any product is perfect, so we won’t design a new product without the specific direction of how we want to improve upon the previous product.

9. Do you use the information from tour pros that you collect as well as from the average golfer in the fitting center in your designs?

John Rae:  In our designs, we use data from a wide variety of sources.  We have several avenues for testing new products before we release them, but after a product is in the market the Fitting Studio is one of our best resources. The Fitting Studio provides us with information on a wide variety of golfers. We can collect data on golfers in every segment of the market.  For each of these golfers we then can use their data to understand why certain clubs worked or did not work for them.

This becomes very useful when starting the design of the next product.  The information from the Fitting Studio helps us determine: if a shaft is too stiff or too soft for the market, if a head flies too low or too high, if the tour version is too open, or if the draw version is too closed.  All of this information is crucial in improving our designs from one generation to the next.


10. What can we expect in the near future from Cleveland/Srixon? 

Nate Radcliffe:  Come on now . . . we can’t tell you that!  What we can say is that we never release a golf club that is not measurably better than its predecessor relative to the targeted design elements.  We will continue to push design against the limits set forth within the rules of golf.  The future is in clubheads that push the limits without sacrificing on any design variable. There is still a significant amount to be explored within clubhead design and we all feel very lucky to be a part of the exploration.

Check out the Fitting Center for yourself.  You can find all of the information on their website.

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Members’ Choice: The top-5 drivers that golfers want to test in 2018

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Golf’s “off-season” is upon us and the PGAM Show in Orlando is quickly approaching in January, which means it’s time to start thinking about the upcoming driver releases.

We’ve seen a few companies launch their “2018” lines already — such as Cobra with its new King F8 and F8+ — while speculation swirls around the companies who have yet to announce their newest products. For instance, we’ve spotted a new “TaylorMade M4″ driver, and a new “Rogue” driver from Callaway. If history repeats itself and Titleist remains on a two-year product cycle, then we’ll see a replacement for the 917 line sometime in 2018, as well.

The question we posed to our GolfWRX Members recently was, which new or unreleased driver has you most excited heading into 2018? Below are the results and a selection of comments about each driver.

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Note: The comments below have been minimally edited for brevity and grammar. 

Titleist (7.39 percent of votes)

BDoubleG: I know it’s well down the road, but the Titleist 919 is what I’m most looking forward to. I played the 910 until this year and loved it, but I realized that I wasn’t getting much in the way of distance gains with the 915/917, and I was just leaving too many yards on the table. I know it’s a cliche, but I was seeing considerable gains with my G400LS, then my M2 I have now.

I feel like Titleist has been hurting in the driver market share category (and probably elsewhere), as I think a lot of people think that the 913, 915 and 917 have been minor refreshes in a world where almost everyone else has been experimenting with structure (jailbreak, turbulators) or with COG (spaceports, SLDR, G-series extreme back CG). I think if Titleist is going to recapture some of their market share, they will need to start taking an interest in stepping outside of their comfort zone to catch up with everyone else. Maybe I’m hoping for too much, but a D2-style head with ample forgiveness and low-spin (maybe a back-front weight), with the same great sound of the 917, and hopefully getting rid of the “battery taped to the sole” look would be a huge hit in my book.

I’m really looking forward to seeing what they come up with…and I hope I’m not disappointed.

Mizuno GT-180 or otherwise (8.87 percent of votes)

mrmikeac: After thoroughly testing the Mizuno ST-180 and seeing the distance gains I was getting from my Epic, I can’t wait for the GT to get here. Cobra would be next in line for me, but Mizzy really did something special with that JPX-900 and it seems to look like they’re going the same route with these drivers. Excellent feel, forgiveness and simple but effective tech. 

Callaway Rogue, Rogue Sub Zero or otherwise (17.73 percent of votes)

cvhookem63: It seems like we’re not getting a lot of “NEW” this time — just some same lines “improved” on a little. I’m interested to try the Rogue line and M3/M4 line to see if they improved on their previous models. The Cobra F8+ is intriguing to me, as well. I’d like to compare those three to see how they stack up. 

tj7644: Callaway Rogue. It’s gotta make me hit straighter drives right? It sure can’t be my swing…

Equipto: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero, and that’s about it. Most of my testing will be with shafts I presume. 

bangabain: Excited to give the Rogue a shot, although with the hope that there’s a little more fade bias despite the lack of sliding weight.

TaylorMade M3, M4 or otherwise (27.09 percent of votes)

DeCuchi: TaylorMade M3 of course, and the F8+. I’m more interested in the fairways this year though. TaylorMade M4 fairways and Rogue fairways are top of my list. 

elwhippy: TaylorMade M3 and M4. Not owned a TM driver for several seasons and want something with a bit more power than the Ping G Series…

cradd10: M3. Still rocking an OG M1. Super solid driver. Curious to see if the updated version can beat it. 

Cobra F8/F8+ (33.66 percent of votes)

WAxORxDCxSC: I sure want to like the F8 based on looks (I understand I’m possibly in the minority on that one at GolfWRX).

TWshoot67: For me, it’s three drivers: the Cobra F8, F8+ and TM M4. 

The General: Cobra F8 is going to dominate everything, just wait, on the F8

Ace2000: Definitely F8/F8+. Love my Bio Cell+ and can’t help but wonder if these perform as good as they look. 

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True Linkswear goes back to its spikeless roots

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True Linkswear is getting back to its roots, while expanding the singular golf shoe brand’s reach at the same time.

The Tacoma, Washington, company’s Director/Partner, Justin Turner, told us that with the release of the two new models, the company is course-correcting from a move toward the mainstream, spiked golf shoes, and a loss of identity.

In addition to durability issues, Turner said the core True Linkswear customer didn’t appreciate the shift — or the deluge of models that followed.

So, in a sense, the two-model lineup both throws a bone to True devotees and casts a wider net.

Turner and company asked: “If we wanted to restart the brand….what would we value?” A commitment to the brand’s core outsider identity, style as articulated in early models, and an emphasis on quality led Turner on multiple trips to China to survey suppliers in early 2017. Eventually, the company settled on a manufacturing partner with a background in outdoor gear and hiking shoes.

“We’ve spent the last few years scouring the globe for the best material sourcing, reputable factories, advanced construction techniques, and time-tested fundamentals to build our best shoes yet. No cheap synthetics, no corners cut.”

Eventually, True settled on two designs: The Original, which, not surprisingly, has much in common with the zero-drop 2009 industry disrupting model, and the Outsider: a more athletic-style shoe positioned to attract a broader audience.

True Linkswear Original: $149

The company emphasizes the similarity in feel between the Original and early True Linkswear models, suggesting that players will feel and connect to the course “in a whole new way.”

  • Gray, White, Black colorways
  • Waterproof full grain leather
  • Thin sole with classic True zero-drop heel
  • 12.1 oz
  • Sockfit liner for comfort
  • Natural width box toe

True Linkswear Outsider: $169

With the Outsider, True Linkswear asked: “What if a golf shoe could be more? Look natural in more environments?”

  • Grey/navy, black, white colorways
  • EVA midsole for lightweight cushioning
  • Full grain waterproof leather
  • 13.1 oz (thicker midsole than the Original)

The company envisions both shoes being worn on course and off.

True Linkswear introduced the more durable and better-performing Cross Life Tread with both models. Turner says the tread is so good, you can wear the shoes hiking.

Both models are available now through the company website only. True Linkswear plans to enter retail shops slowly and selectively.

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Sean O’Hair and Steve Stricker’s Winning WITBs from the 2017 QBE Shootout

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The team of Steve Stricker and Sean O’Hair closed the QBE Shootout with an 8-under 64 for a two-shot win over Graeme McDowell and Shane Lowry. O’Hair made a timely eagle on the par-5 17th hole at Tiburon Golf Club to lock up the first place prize of $820,000 ($410,000 each).

Here’s a look at their bags.

Sean O’Hair

Driver: Titleist 917D2 (9.5 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White Prototype 60TX

3 Wood: Titleist 917F2 (15 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Diamana S+ Limited Edition 70TX

5 Wood: Titleist 915F (18 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana S+ Limited Edition 80TX

Irons: Titleist 716 T-MB (4-iron), Titleist 718 AP2 (5-PW)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100

Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM7 prototype (50, 54 and 58 degrees)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400

Putter: Scotty Cameron prototype

Golf Ball: Titleist Pro V1

Related: Sean O’Hair WITB

Steve Stricker

Driver: Titleist 913D3 (8.5 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 8.2X

3 Wood: Titleist 915F (13.5 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Rayon Tensei CK Pro White 80TX Prototype

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 (17.0 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 9.2X

Irons: Titleist 718 CB (3-9)
Shafts: KBS Tour Prototype

Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM6 (46, 54 and 60 degrees)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold S400 w/ Sensicore

Putter: Odyssey White Hot 2

Golf Ball: Titleist Pro V1x

Related: Steve Stricker WITB 2017

Note: We originally reported Stricker had a Scotty Cameron putter in the bag, per Titleist’s equipment report. Stricker did, however, have a Odyssey White Hot putter in play during the final round of the QBE Shootout.

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